Republic AT-AT

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-03-08 04:10pm

I had bought a translated version of Republic 55-58 (in one edition) and there some good pic of the Republic version of the AT-AT and it's A bit more boxy and different head then its Imperial counterpart (also it guns fire blue bolts), but other wise it's Like its Imperial counterpart.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-03-08 04:46pm

For some reason the red markings made it´s "face" look like a clown´s face. Good thing the Empire had enough sense to do away with those markings.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2005-03-08 04:58pm

Blue Bolts = Ion Cannons don't they?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-03-08 05:06pm

Darth Fanboy wrote:Blue Bolts = Ion Cannons don't they?

No. Bolt colour means nothing.

Essentially, it depends on the internal setup of the gun. You can choose your colour. Rebel turbolasers shoot red, imperial turbolasers green, Imperial ground weapons red, large rebel ion cannons red, imperials and most other ion cannons blue (EU). In the prequel era, blue bolts were used by the Army of the Republic's laser weapons, specifically, clone trooper blasters.

Coriolis · Post by **Coriolis** » 2005-03-08 05:06pm

Do u have a pic of it? I'm intrigued...

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-03-08 05:52pm

StarWarsJunkie89 wrote:Do u have a pic of it? I'm intrigued...

Not at the moment

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-03-08 05:56pm

VT-16 wrote:For some reason the red markings made it´s "face" look like a clown´s face. Good thing the Empire had enough sense to do away with those markings.

Bad joke (Jabiim walkers didn't have any makings at all)

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-03-08 06:04pm

There seems to be little rhyme or reason to Old Republic turbolaser/blaster weaponry- it's a mix of blue and green bolts with no discernable pattern:

- LAAT: green mini-superlasers and cannons
- capital ships: blue turbolasers (see trailer)
- fighters: green cannons
- blasters: blue cannons

makes no sense ...

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-03-08 06:44pm

I thought the fighters fired blue bolts? Or did I just not notice? probably the latter.

It´s just colors, no sweat. They probably got fighters and gunships late in the game, lucked out on the cannons and had to buy from a different ammunitions-source.

Elfdart · Post by **Elfdart** » 2005-03-08 07:01pm

Vympel wrote:There seems to be little rhyme or reason to Old Republic turbolaser/blaster weaponry- it's a mix of blue and green bolts with no discernable pattern:

- LAAT: green mini-superlasers and cannons
- capital ships: blue turbolasers (see trailer)
- fighters: green cannons
- blasters: blue cannons

makes no sense ...

Actually, it makes perfect sense -just like Luke's new lightsabre in ROTJ.

The background sky on Tattooine was blue, Luke's blue sabre didn't show very well, so they changed it to green. The skies and surface of Geonosis were red/orange, red blaster bolts wouldn't show very well, so they used blue and green. As Fernando used to say: It's better to look good than feel good. It's better to look cool than be consistent.

Another reason is that in the OT, blue items caused problem for the special effects crews and bluescreen. That's why Blue group became Red group. The reason the ships in the OT looked boxier is that rounded shapes caused reflections that screwed up bluescreen as well. They could add blue in the PT and did.

Star-Blighter · Post by **Star-Blighter** » 2005-03-08 07:12pm

NecronLord wrote:
Darth Fanboy wrote:Blue Bolts = Ion Cannons don't they?
No. Bolt colour means nothing.

Essentially, it depends on the internal setup of the gun. You can choose your colour. Rebel turbolasers shoot red, imperial turbolasers green, Imperial ground weapons red, large rebel ion cannons red, imperials and most other ion cannons blue (EU). In the prequel era, blue bolts were used by the Army of the Republic's laser weapons, specifically, clone trooper blasters.

Very true. Weren't the main guns on AT-TE called "railguns" some such weirdness (I think there just blasters set to blue), it is possible that these are weapons of similar design.

Also are there any pics? I like to see this Republic walker.

Star-Blighter · Post by **Star-Blighter** » 2005-03-08 07:15pm

Elfdart wrote:
Vympel wrote:There seems to be little rhyme or reason to Old Republic turbolaser/blaster weaponry- it's a mix of blue and green bolts with no discernable pattern:

- LAAT: green mini-superlasers and cannons
- capital ships: blue turbolasers (see trailer)
- fighters: green cannons
- blasters: blue cannons

makes no sense ...
Actually, it makes perfect sense -just like Luke's new lightsabre in ROTJ.

The background sky on Tattooine was blue, Luke's blue sabre didn't show very well, so they changed it to green. The skies and surface of Geonosis were red/orange, red blaster bolts wouldn't show very well, so they used blue and green. As Fernando used to say: It's better to look good than feel good. It's better to look cool than be consistent.

Another reason is that in the OT, blue items caused problem for the special effects crews and bluescreen. That's why Blue group became Red group. The reason the ships in the OT looked boxier is that rounded shapes caused reflections that screwed up bluescreen as well. They could add blue in the PT and did.

And Luke having a different lightsaber by that time isn't reasonable?

And your theory doesn't explain the Seperatist forces droid blasters. They were RED.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-03-08 07:17pm

I think it was so that the sides apart (blue/green=Republic and Red=CIS).

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-03-08 07:33pm

The red/blue to green/red switch was to make things abit more ambigious. The Rebels use red with starships, like the Separatists. The Empire uses a different color from the Rebels, just like the Republic, but it is different from the Republic´s laser-color just as the Empire itself is a different political entity.

More about symbolism than any real explanation of why they keep switching.

Elfdart · Post by **Elfdart** » 2005-03-08 10:06pm

Star-Blighter wrote:And Luke having a different lightsaber by that time isn't reasonable?

I'm explaining why they did it.

Star-Blighter wrote:And your theory doesn't explain the Seperatist forces droid blasters. They were RED.

Different sides mostly have different colored bolts, even in the OT. Probably so you can tell who's shooting. Besides, the color of the droid blasters was already established. The exception is small arms, but there isn't the variety we've seen in the PT, so it could be coincidence. The clones' blasters were new and could be made any color, so they chose blue to stand out from the red of the droids' guns and the reddish backgrounds.

Star-Blighter · Post by **Star-Blighter** » 2005-03-08 10:48pm

Elfdart wrote:
Star-Blighter wrote:And Luke having a different lightsaber by that time isn't reasonable?
I'm explaining why they did it.

Star-Blighter wrote:And your theory doesn't explain the Seperatist forces droid blasters. They were RED.
Different sides mostly have different colored bolts, even in the OT. Probably so you can tell who's shooting. Besides, the color of the droid blasters was already established. The exception is small arms, but there isn't the variety we've seen in the PT, so it could be coincidence. The clones' blasters were new and could be made any color, so they chose blue to stand out from the red of the droids' guns and the reddish backgrounds.

I'm trying to find an IN UNIVERSE explanation. It is fucking obvious thats why the production crew had different bolt colors for the films.

Kartr_Kana · Post by **Kartr_Kana** » 2005-03-08 11:03pm

Something a friend of mine noticed about blaster-bolts was that the established government used/uses green for their starship weapons and the Rebels/Separtist use red. Could it be that as an army built and equiped by civvies uses blue? This breaks down when we get to blasters as they should be green. Maybe green is also higher damage? And blasters do not do enough damage to rate a green color?

Green = government suppliers
Red = black alley suppliers
Blue = civilian suppliers

Star-Blighter · Post by **Star-Blighter** » 2005-03-08 11:35pm

Kartr_Kana wrote:Something a friend of mine noticed about blaster-bolts was that the established government used/uses green for their starship weapons and the Rebels/Separtist use red. Could it be that as an army built and equiped by civvies uses blue? This breaks down when we get to blasters as they should be green. Maybe green is also higher damage? And blasters do not do enough damage to rate a green color?

Green = government suppliers
Red = black alley suppliers
Blue = civilian suppliers

That could be, given the appearant ease of changing bolt colors. I wouldn't be supprised if there were ragtag defense forces with multiple bolt colors in the same force.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2005-03-09 02:45am

This begs the question then, how would you set the color on a blaster?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-03-09 08:14am

Darth Fanboy wrote:This begs the question then, how would you set the color on a blaster?

For a while there, it depended what gas you used in the gun. With the new blaster theories? Damned if I know.

Kartr_Kana · Post by **Kartr_Kana** » 2005-03-09 12:53pm

It could still be the gas, it could just be the quality of the gas availble to the suppliers. Some gasses would do more damage and so have a different color. The higher quality avalible to galactic governments is why they have green while the lower quality of the blaster gas availible to dissentionist is why they have red.

Star-Blighter · Post by **Star-Blighter** » 2005-03-09 04:22pm

Kartr_Kana wrote:It could still be the gas, it could just be the quality of the gas availble to the suppliers. Some gasses would do more damage and so have a different color. The higher quality avalible to galactic governments is why they have green while the lower quality of the blaster gas availible to dissentionist is why they have red.

I concure with this conclusion, although the possible increase in firepower likely would be small. Probably similar to using two different propelants while testing the same type of gun with each, to use an anology.

Elfdart · Post by **Elfdart** » 2005-03-10 11:50am

Star-Blighter wrote:I'm trying to find an IN UNIVERSE explanation. It is fucking obvious thats why the production crew had different bolt colors for the films.

There is no "in universe" explanation, any more than there's one for why TIE fighters sound like elephants.

Kartr_Kana · Post by **Kartr_Kana** » 2005-03-10 11:55am

Elfdart that is a sound generated by a ships onboard computer to alow for auditor input of sensor data. The more of your sense availble to track and detect targets the better. The doppler affect can be duplicated alowing a pilot to tell aprox. where an enemy is just by listening.

We can and will find an in universe explenation for everything.

Elfdart · Post by **Elfdart** » 2005-03-10 12:07pm

Kartr_Kana wrote:Elfdart that is a sound generated by a ships onboard computer to alow for auditor input of sensor data. The more of your sense availble to track and detect targets the better. The doppler affect can be duplicated alowing a pilot to tell aprox. where an enemy is just by listening.

We can and will find an in universe explenation for everything.

Well good luck with it, then.

As far as the bolts are concerned, don't tracer rounds for different real life guns come in different colors? And since there are so many shots of damage done to objects before the bolt connects, couldn't the bolts be tracers? The different tracer colors are probably (a) so one side doesn't get confused in a fight and (b) to make it easier to tell who's shooting whom. Or maybe different sides like different colors.