Killing in Anger

[Alexus]

The darkside is more powerful than the light.

Whenever Jedi kill Sith/Dark Jedi, they kill in anger.

Luke beats Vader in anger, Obi-Wan beats Maul in anger.

I rest my case.

[Elheru Aran]

The darkside is more powerful than the light.

Whenever Jedi kill Sith/Dark Jedi, they kill in anger.

Luke beats Vader in anger, Obi-Wan beats Maul in anger.

I rest my case.

*coughs* Excuse me? Dooku vs Yoda.... Yoda was winning. And he certainly wasn't angry. I doubt Obi-wan will be angry-- sad, if anything-- when he fights Anakin in Ep 3.

[Alexus]

Sorry. But inexperienced Jedi killed in anger.

[Lord Revan]

Well I think that in terms of absolute power the Dark side is more powerfull the Lightside, but the Light side can turn this power against it's user (so the greater power can be more dangerous to you then the Enemy ("much to learn you stilll have").

Also it that Revan didn't kill Darth Malak in anger (a possible KOTOR light side ending)

[Xenophobe3691]

Sorry. But inexperienced Jedi killed in anger.

No True Scotsman fallacy.

[Dorsk 81]

Obi Wan didn't beat Maul in anger. He was pushed back into the minning shaft because he attacked in anger, he killed Maul because he calmed himself and used the Light side to leap from the pit, call Qui Gons saber to him and cut Maul in half.

[Alexus]

Oopsie.

I promised myself never to see that movie again, so I'm a bit hazy on details.

[Lord Revan]

Sorry. But inexperienced Jedi killed in anger.

so, that's hardly suppricing as inexperienced fighter will always use brute force method when fighting a more skilled opponent (as they don't have skill to win with any other method (why do you think a swordmaster can be defeated by a total novice (master tend to be old where novices tend be young)).

[Lord Revan]

Oopsie.

I promised myself never to see that movie again, so I'm a bit hazy on details.

Like it's said the TPM fight is at descirbing the good and bad point of Brute force method (it wear an opponent down(Maul vs. Jinn), but has less control and against a very skilled opponent suicidal (Maul vs. Kenobi or Dooku vs A. Skywalker)

[Meest]

If a Kung-Fu guys beats a Karate guy, does that make Kung-fu stronger? If someone with no training beats the Kung-fu guy after does that make him better than the Karate guy? Just have to judge it on individual power, maybe Palpatine is the strongest because he just is.

[VT-16]

Sorry. But inexperienced Jedi killed in anger.

Obi-Wan did not cross to the Dark Side to win. When he nearly did, he almost got himself killed. Only when he calmed down and focused did he win over Darth Maul. Luke managed to hold on to himself in the end as well, not striking his father down when he was defeated.

[Praxis]

The darkside is more powerful than the light.

Whenever Jedi kill Sith/Dark Jedi, they kill in anger.

Luke beats Vader in anger, Obi-Wan beats Maul in anger.

I rest my case.

Actually, the most powerful Jedi is one who has the self control of a light side Jedi but slips into the power of the dark side.

Consider.

Maul had anger already. He kills Qui-gon. Obi-wan gets angry, and kills him.

Darth Vader has anger already. Luke gets angry and whoops him.

A light side Jedi temporarily going dark is usually the most powerful.

[Lord Revan]

Maul had anger already. He kills Qui-gon. Obi-wan gets angry, and kills him.

well Kenobi got his ass kicked hard because he angry (he defeated Maul only after he had cooled down).

[Praxis]

Maul had anger already. He kills Qui-gon. Obi-wan gets angry, and kills him.

well Kenobi got his ass kicked hard because he angry (he defeated Maul only after he had cooled down).

He cut half of Maul's saber off. Thats better than Qui-gon did. Maul was getting WHOOPED, he just knocked Obi-wan off with a cheap force trick.

[Lone_Prodigy]

Maul had anger already. He kills Qui-gon. Obi-wan gets angry, and kills him.

well Kenobi got his ass kicked hard because he angry (he defeated Maul only after he had cooled down).

He cut half of Maul's saber off. Thats better than Qui-gon did. Maul was getting WHOOPED, he just knocked Obi-wan off with a cheap force trick.

The double lightsaber was far more suited to fighting two opponents than one. And by the way, if Obi-wan had shown some self-control he could've stopped Maul from doing that "cheap force trick". Instead, he let his emotions run free and he almost died for his mistake.

[Steven Snyder]

The double lightsaber was far more suited to fighting two opponents than one.

And you base this on what? Or is this just your personal speculation?

And by the way, if Obi-wan had shown some self-control he could've stopped Maul from doing that "cheap force trick".

What the fuck is a 'cheap force trick'? The only place in combat where 'cheap tricks' are found is in the mind of the loser as they blame the victor for their own failings. If we dub all effective, yet easy to implement and hard to defend against tactics "cheap" then I suppose that defines just about all of modern warfare.

[NecronLord]

if Obi-wan had shown some self-control he could've stopped Maul from doing that "cheap force trick".

RotS spoiler This looks unlikely. Count Dooku can send the older obi-wan flying when he seems quite calm. I don't know if there is a defence.

[Crown]

And by the way, if Obi-wan had shown some self-control he could've stopped Maul from doing that "cheap force trick".

What the fuck is a 'cheap force trick'?

If you read his post you'll notice the ' "quotation marks" ', showing that he (Lone Prodigy) has the same reaction to the phrase; 'cheap force trick', as you.

[NecronLord]

And you base this on what? Or is this just your personal speculation?

The double sabre has inferior reach to a normal sabre, but a trained user can parry two other sabres at once with it. Further, when attacking just one jedi, Maul only used a single blade.

[Lord Revan]

RotS spoiler This looks unlikely. Count Dooku can send the older obi-wan flying when he seems quite calm. I don't know if there is a defence.

there's a defence, but ti's success depends on power and skill defender compared to the power and skill of attacker (so Dooku was probaly more powerfull and/or skillfull then Obi-wan) and wont work if your not in controll of yourself

[Steven Snyder]

If you read his post you'll notice the ' "quotation marks" ', showing that he (Lone Prodigy) has the same reaction to the phrase; 'cheap force trick', as you.

Found it.
Mea Culpa.

[Steven Snyder]

The double sabre has inferior reach to a normal sabre, but a trained user can parry two other sabres at once with it. Further, when attacking just one jedi, Maul only used a single blade.

I always took the action of igniting the second blade as..."There is something I am not telling you, I am not left handed"

I conceed that the double-lightsaber does have inferior reach when both blades are ignited. But by the same token Maul seemed to do quite well with it againt Qui-Gon, despite that.

[Dorsk 81]

if Obi-wan had shown some self-control he could've stopped Maul from doing that "cheap force trick".

RotS spoiler This looks unlikely. Count Dooku can send the older obi-wan flying when he seems quite calm. I don't know if there is a defence.

According to SW.com, Maul used Obi-Wan's touching of the dark side as a conduit for a Force attack; using the Force, Maul pushed Obi-Wan into a deep mining pit.

Most likely because Maul isn't as strong in the Force as Dooku, he needed to use Obi as a "conduit", but because of Dookus power, he doesn't need his target to touch the Dark side. Maybe.

[Death from the Sea]

Sorry. But inexperienced Jedi killed in anger.

so, that's hardly suppricing as inexperienced fighter will always use brute force method when fighting a more skilled opponent (as they don't have skill to win with any other method (why do you think a swordmaster can be defeated by a total novice (master tend to be old where novices tend)).

plus, don't forget that the darkside is an easier path, so it would figure that an inexperienced lightside Jedi would be more likely to take the easy way to beat a superior opponent.

[ali-sama]

Anger is a tool. If you let anger rule you then you go down the path to the dark side. If you use anger the way it should be. A tool. then you win.