Executor = 6249m according to STvSW tard

Meest · Post by **Meest** » 2005-03-09 06:28am

He even admits getting the ISD size down will help lower the ESB asteroid calcs. I find this hilarious, if they were so confident in their current asteroid calcs why would they be trying so hard to lower it?

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-03-09 08:07am

I wouldn't worry. No person with a smidgen of common sense would seriously look at that scaling job and run around saying an ISD is less than a mile-long.

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-03-09 11:00am

I've even confirmed with a guy I know who agrees that the MF measurement was silly because of the poor perspective, although he doesn't think the scanner globe in the second pic was too far away from the MF to have made much of a difference. The failure began with measuring a "squashed" stormtrooper who was not on the same plane as the chord line drawn across the MF.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-03-12 12:23am

Darkstar's argument in a nutshell:

1. The Millennium Falcon interior corridor, cockpit, and gun turret shots are all "too large".

2. The Elstree exterior set is the "accurate" size.

3. Chewbacca stuffed into the cockpit of the exterior set with no room to stand and taking up the entire front window qualifies as "fit"

Therefore, the Falcon is 20m.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2005-03-12 04:45am

I've always said that the most reliable evidence should come from the material that's easiest for a production to present. The only inconsistency in the Falcon's size comes from its exterior shots... and as everybody with two brain cells to rub together knows, they had to make concessions, the exterior definitely didn't fit the interior, etc.

It's easier to build a set than a full-fledged external mockup. Hell, High School plays do it all the time.

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-03-12 10:33am

Then I guess it's pointless to argue otherwise with him, since he seems unwilling to concede that the interior sets hold precedence over the exterior sets (not to mention the other posters on that forum). He doesn't want to reconcile the connecting tube between turrets, the maintenance pits or the portside lift, and wants to ignore the over-proportioned side walls.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2005-03-12 04:06pm

BTW, I just joined their board and already made my start by refuting Newland's claim that the Empire doesn't have cloaking technology.
Can't wait to see his reaction.

Trekdestroyer · Post by **Trekdestroyer** » 2005-03-12 04:15pm

Tribun wrote:BTW, I just joined their board and already made my start by refuting Newland's claim that the Empire doesn't have cloaking technology.
Can't wait to see his reaction.

If you realy want to see some soiled underpants, tell them that the Empire has a special kind of sensor called a CGT*. Tell them about how it can detect cloaked ships by detecting gravity fields. THEN and only then will you score a point on them.

*If you say this you may unintentialy invite an EU debate so go with your gut insticnct!

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2005-03-12 05:15pm

Tribun wrote:BTW, I just joined their board and already made my start by refuting Newland's claim that the Empire doesn't have cloaking technology.
Can't wait to see his reaction.

Eh, how can they claim that SW hasnt cloaks? They speak about them in ESB.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2005-03-12 05:21pm

And I tried to make it simple for him by showing him pictures of Imperial cloaks in action in RA 2. Either he uses the EU tactic, or he will try the ridiculos tactic to exlain the pictures away.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-03-12 05:22pm

Gustav32Vasa wrote:
Tribun wrote:BTW, I just joined their board and already made my start by refuting Newland's claim that the Empire doesn't have cloaking technology.
Can't wait to see his reaction.
Eh, how can they claim that SW hasnt cloaks? They speak about them in ESB.

Ignoring canon to suit their claims is nothing new.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2005-03-12 09:11pm

Lord Revan wrote:
Gustav32Vasa wrote:
Tribun wrote:BTW, I just joined their board and already made my start by refuting Newland's claim that the Empire doesn't have cloaking technology.
Can't wait to see his reaction.
Eh, how can they claim that SW hasnt cloaks? They speak about them in ESB.
Ignoring canon to suit their claims is nothing new.

Needa refeering to a cloacking device IMPLIES that one must exist somewhere!

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2005-03-13 03:40am

Vympel wrote:

Darkstar's argument in a nutshell:

1. The Millennium Falcon interior corridor, cockpit, and gun turret shots are all "too large".

2. The Elstree exterior set is the "accurate" size.

3. Chewbacca stuffed into the cockpit of the exterior set with no room to stand and taking up the entire front window qualifies as "fit"

Therefore, the Falcon is 20m.

RSAsstard as usual. He takes pieces of Rob Brown's findings, but not Rob Brown's
summary finding based on ALL the evidence.

Also, hypocritical asstard is suddenly using "backstage" evidence when it suits him? I'm shocked!!

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2005-03-13 04:23am

Hardy wrote:
Weyoun wrote:<snip>
Now we go on to scale a Star Destroyer.

Now the Falcon measures approx. 70 pixels wide.
The globe measures 69 pixels across, which calculates to 18.4 meters...
<snip>
The dome is actually pretty far away from the Falcon (about 1 dome diameter away). He should be measuring the panel that the Falcon is on to avoid problems with perspective.

The surface where the Falcon is resting measures 115 pixels. Based on his estimates, the surface measures 30.7 metres.

In this picture, the said surface measures 24 pixels.

+http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tec ... n/isd3.jpg

The star destroyer measures 990 pixels. It is therefore 1266 metres according to his estimates (if you whore significant figures, like he did). It's about 80% the official figure.

Now if he had gotten a better estimate of the Falcon's width (30-35 metres ), he would have gotten something in the area of 1.9 to 2 km. The Official figure for the Falcon (27 m) would have gotten about 1.8 km.

Hmmmm. Thought about snipping the pic, but stealing Weyoun's bandwidth appeals to me.

Speaking of which, why did you break a link to the main site? It's not like Mike's going to troll himself.

Anywho, I'm sure you know this, but the area the Falcon's resting on is still about a dome's width away from the actual dome.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-03-13 11:27am

Isolder74 wrote:Needa refeering to a cloacking device IMPLIES that one must exist somewhere!

didn't I say something about ignoring canon to suit their claims

Hardy · Post by **Hardy** » 2005-03-14 05:28pm

Rogue 9 wrote: Speaking of which, why did you break a link to the main site? It's not like Mike's going to troll himself.

It's not my image and I do respect the site enough not to direct link. Otherwise, typing that extra "plus" is somewhat gratifying.

Anywho, I'm sure you know this, but the area the Falcon's resting on is still about a dome's width away from the actual dome.

Yeah. I was measuring the surface the Falcon was on by comparing it to the Falcon, not the dome, and then comparing it to the est of the ISD. The dome had nothing to do with the measurement.

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-03-14 05:43pm

The distance between the MF and sensor globe doesn't seem to be enough to really affect the measurements. You'd just have to apply it in your MoE. I'm still convinced the biggest problem's in the initial measurements.

Hardy · Post by **Hardy** » 2005-03-14 06:06pm

Firefox wrote:The distance between the MF and sensor globe doesn't seem to be enough to really affect the measurements.

It is enough to make the 35 metre long Falcon appear to be about 40 metres long(based on a 46 metre dome). The difference is not drastically substantial, but it is worthy of note.

I'm still convinced the biggest problem's in the initial measurements.

Granted.

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2005-03-17 08:49am

The trekkies has renewed their energy with the notion of a 686.5 meter ISD...

Darth Lucifer · Post by **Darth Lucifer** » 2005-03-17 09:37am

Mange the Swede wrote:The trekkies has renewed their energy with the notion of a 686.5 meter ISD...

You have to be kidding.

I thought we had settled that. I'll take a look at their position when I get back from work this afternoon. This ought to be good.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2005-03-19 07:43pm

Newland seems to be a master of pulling things out of his ass. This time he attacked imperial cloaks and sensor systems.
Of course I accepted the challenge to prove him wrong.
See it here:
http://www.strek-v-swars.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=158

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-03-19 08:31pm

Mange the Swede wrote:Darkstar claims Weyoun's method works much better, that's a laugh. He drew an arbitrary line.

Darkstar will say ANYTHING that makes SW look smaller/weaker/crappier is better.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-03-19 08:34pm

Mario1470 wrote:
Weyoun wrote:

Now the Falcon measures approx. 70 pixels wide.
The globe measures 69 pixels across, which calculates to 18.4 meters...
<snip>
I see a very large problem with the first picture...the red line does not go through the center of the "saucer" like in the second picture...the red line should go right through the gun turret to get the true width. Just thought I would point that out.

The red line through the globe doesn't even go all the way across the globe!!! His numbers are clearly SMALLER than the actual thing really is.

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2005-03-20 04:59pm

Darth Servo wrote:
Mange the Swede wrote:Darkstar claims Weyoun's method works much better, that's a laugh. He drew an arbitrary line.
Darkstar will say ANYTHING that makes SW look smaller/weaker/crappier is better.

Yes of course, but this way Darkstar makes himself even more irrelevant without any of us having to do anything at all.

Elfdart · Post by **Elfdart** » 2005-03-21 07:32pm

Weyoun's first assumption is off. He claims the Stormtroopers are 1.83 metres (6.00423 feet) tall. That's less than an inch shorter than Harrison Ford who's listed at 6'1" on IMDB. The stormtroopers in all the movies are clearly (by 2-3") shorter than Ford. How much does this throw off Weyoun's calculations? Sorry, my math sucks.