A (single) Borg(ST) vs Battle Droid(SW).

[Assassin X]

Ok my first time on teh VS board so i thougt id post one:

One borg vs One Battle Droid.

Neither has weapons of any kind. And if anyone thinks a Battle Droid is perhaps to easy we'll make it:

One borg vs One Super Battle Droid

Same situation(SBD's weapons are busted).

[Aaron]

Battle Droid wins, it's casing probably can't be penetrated by the "assimalaltion tubes". And the Battle Droid is far more manovourable than a drone.

SBD vs Drone is a massacre, SBD just has to smash the drone with it's arm ala Geonosis Arena battle.

[brianeyci]

Assimilation tubes can penetrate any known armor or any known shielding in Trek. Says nothing about Wars though.

The drone dies, because drones are programmed by default to die and transmit the method of attack to other drones so they can adapt. That's why the drone mentality works. One dies, "It feels like a phaser at X frequency", sends out to every other drone around, and they all adapt to that frequency. Just don't run out of drones. Drones seem completely unintelligent with programming limited to the task at hand. This is probably a way the collective controls individuality. Drones don't even notice if you walk by and are not a "threat". Anything could kill 1 Borg drone. Without guiding leadership, an individual drone would probably be useless.

Of course, remember when Seven and her Borg collective were stranded with no access to the Hive? They started remembering their own memories. If this was an assimilated human being, he would probably run after his drone programming was overtaken by his individuality.

Brian

[Isolder74]

could the drone possibly assimilate a droid? If not the droid wins. its faster

[Aaron]

Assimilation tubes can penetrate any known armor or any known shielding in Trek. Says nothing about Wars though.

I think we can determine whether tubes would penetrate based on SW blasters. We see in AOTC that the droids are dismembered by blaster fire, rather than the armor being penetrated by weapons fire. I get from this that the BD's are actually resistant to weapons fire but can't handle the KE imparted by the weapon.

So if a plasma weapon can't burn through the armour than how can a flimsy tube?

[Assassin X]

Yep. No Assimilatio. Hand to hand combat. I have no explanation at to why they have non of their weapons or how they got here but...um... they did.

[Aaron]

Yep. No Assimilatio. Hand to hand combat. I have no explanation at to why they have non of their weapons or how they got here but...um... they did.

Well in that case, BD and SBD hands down.

[Robert Walper]

How strong are Gungans? In TPM, we see Gungans wrestling with droids and they don't seem to have much trouble. Borg drones are quite strong, it only takes a couple to restrain even Data (ST:First contact, STTNG "Descent"). Seven of Nine,a human female, can easily defeat a male Vulcan (STVOY "Raven"), and Vulcans are three times the strength of humans IIRC.

Furthermore, while the droid may be faster, once the drone has a grip on it, it may be able to control the battle from that point (throwing it or damaging it, etc).

The issue of the drone's assimilation tubules is also uncertain. According to the Doctor in STVOY "Scorpion", Borg tubules are capable of penetrating any known alloy or energy field by Federation standards. Keeping in mind however this was in reference to what would be practical as a defense on a personnel scale.

In unarmed combat, I'd give the edge to the drone, if only by virtue of the strength factor.

[Aaron]

How strong are Gungans? In TPM, we see Gungans wrestling with droids and they don't seem to have much trouble. Borg drones are quite strong, it only takes a couple to restrain even Data (ST:First contact, STTNG "Descent"). Seven of Nine,a human female, can easily defeat a male Vulcan (STVOY "Raven"), and Vulcans are three times the strength of humans IIRC.

Furthermore, while the droid may be faster, once the drone has a grip on it, it may be able to control the battle from that point (throwing it or damaging it, etc).

The issue of the drone's assimilation tubules is also uncertain. According to the Doctor in STVOY "Scorpion", Borg tubules are capable of penetrating any known alloy or energy field by Federation standards. Keeping in mind however this was in reference to what would be practical as a defense on a personnel scale.

In unarmed combat, I'd give the edge to the drone, if only by virtue of the strength factor.

Whats to stop the droid from simply strangling the drone?

[brianeyci]

I think we can determine whether tubes would penetrate based on SW blasters. We see in AOTC that the droids are dismembered by blaster fire, rather than the armor being penetrated by weapons fire. I get from this that the BD's are actually resistant to weapons fire but can't handle the KE imparted by the weapon.

So if a plasma weapon can't burn through the armour than how can a flimsy tube?

A plasma weapon is not the same as an assimilation tube.

Either way, the issue is moot just like whether or not transporters can be used in combat in a vs. Usually transporters are ignored, for the very same reason here, that it is impossible to prove either way that they will work.

Walper is right, it all comes down to the brute physical strength. Although I made the programming point that hasn't been addressed yet. How smart is the battle droid? Are we talking those skinny Trade Federation battledroids? How can those things even hurt Borg (I'm assuming tactical drone with tritanium exoskeleton as seen in VOY Raven)? What battle droid are we talking about, a droideka?

Brian

[brianeyci]

Whats to stop the droid from simply strangling the drone?

Drones can operate in a vacuum as shown in ST:FC, so they probably don't need air.

Brian

[Robert Walper]

Whats to stop the droid from simply strangling the drone?

The drone grabbing the driods arms and prying them away?

This is the impression I certainly get. We see in TPM Gungans wrestling droids without too much trouble (not the super droids tho), and Gungans don't strike me as much stronger than a human (feel free to correct me on this issue).

Drones on the other hand toss humans around easily, defeat races much stronger than humans (Vulcans).

Hell, there was even one episode where Seven engaged in physical combat with, get this, The Rock (some super muscled up alien), and she initially defeated him (losing by virtue of mercy and underestimating him).

[Aaron]

Drones can operate in a vacuum as shown in ST:FC, so they probably don't need air.

Brian

It could just snap the neck.

According to the OP we can either have Drone vs Battle Droid or Drone vs Super Battle Droid.

While the Drone may be able to overpower the BD, the SBD seems to be immensly superior, at one point a SBD crushes a BD with it's fist in AOTC.

[Robert Walper]

Whats to stop the droid from simply strangling the drone?

Drones can operate in a vacuum as shown in ST:FC, so they probably don't need air.

Brian

Their ability to operate in a vacuum doesn't mean they do not need to breathe. Furthermore, depending upon the droid's strength, I would think blood still needs to get to the drone's brain and the spine still needs to be intact to function.

[Robert Walper]

While the Drone may be able to overpower the BD, the SBD seems to be immensly superior, at one point a SBD crushes a BD with it's fist in AOTC.

Given that example, I certainly wouldn't push for the idea of a drone outperforming a SBD.

[Assassin X]

Well since you guys need a place well say this is happening... in Theed, Naboo in a building!

[Robert Walper]

Well since you guys need a place well say this is happening... in Theed, Naboo in a building!

The drone could very well just throw the battle droid out a window then...

[NecronLord]

How strong are Gungans?

Jar Jar binks would probably slaughter any human in terms of physical strength. (Have you seen him jump?) Let alone a Gungan warrior.

[Robert Walper]

How strong are Gungans?

Jar Jar binks would probably slaughter any human in terms of physical strength. (Have you seen him jump?) Let alone a Gungan warrior.

Gungans may be lightweight creatures, or just have really strong legs, or perhaps both. Never got the impression Gungans are that strong, Watto had no problem shoving Jar Jar around either, and he's light enough to fly with his wings.

[NecronLord]

Gungans may be lightweight creatures, or just have really strong legs, or perhaps both. Never got the impression Gungans are that strong, Watto had no problem shoving Jar Jar around either, and he's light enough to fly with his wings.

If they were super light weight, why weren't the Battledroids just picking them up and throwing them?

[Lord Revan]

it's Hard to just strong gungans are but I would that at least as strong as Vulcans (based on Jar-Jar's jumping abilities in TPM) if not stronger. I'm not sure about B1 vs borg drone but B2 vs. a single borg drone is clear (since in addition of being stronger and durable the B2 has rather nasty blades in its arms and if republic commando is any indication these things will fight if there's any working components left in them.)

[Robert Walper]

Gungans may be lightweight creatures, or just have really strong legs, or perhaps both. Never got the impression Gungans are that strong, Watto had no problem shoving Jar Jar around either, and he's light enough to fly with his wings.

If they were super light weight, why weren't the Battledroids just picking them up and throwing them?

You're assuming the droids must be strong enough to do this.

What are the design intentions of the battle droids? Are they intented to engage in hand to hand combat, or simply point and shoot a blaster at the enemy?

The typical battle droids never struck me as particularily strong or durable either. Queen Amidala can fire off a single shot with a blaster pistol and blow one's head right off.

[Aaron]

You're assuming the droids must be strong enough to do this.

What are the design intentions of the battle droids? Are they intented to engage in hand to hand combat, or simply point and shoot a blaster at the enemy?

They seem to be designed to be as cheap as possible and be effective. Notice how they fall apart after being shot? And how they employ salvage droids to recover parts from the battlefield, they probably reassemble them later.

The BD seem to be only designed for blaster combat, whereas the SBD's are definetly designed for both.

[NecronLord]

You're assuming the droids must be strong enough to do this.

They have equivalent upper body, and presubaly lower body strength to the Gungans.

What are the design intentions of the battle droids? Are they intented to engage in hand to hand combat, or simply point and shoot a blaster at the enemy?

They're intended to fulfil the combat roles of a modern soldier. Namely, shooting, with minimal hand to hand.

The typical battle droids never struck me as particularily strong or durable either. Queen Amidala can fire off a single shot with a blaster pistol and blow one's head right off.

No. They're cheap pieces of shit.

[Robert Walper]

You're assuming the droids must be strong enough to do this.

What are the design intentions of the battle droids? Are they intented to engage in hand to hand combat, or simply point and shoot a blaster at the enemy?

They seem to be designed to be as cheap as possible and be effective. Notice how they fall apart after being shot? And how they employ salvage droids to recover parts from the battlefield, they probably reassemble them later.

The BD seem to be only designed for blaster combat, whereas the SBD's are definetly designed for both.

That sounds about right to me.