A (single) Borg(ST) vs Battle Droid(SW).

[Assassin X]

Yeah i was gonna mention that. Battle Droids dont seem all that heavey or ...well built when they get hit.

Dont forget now if their in a building depending on how smart either isthey could use whats around them as a weapon, just because they didnt start with one doesnt mean they couldnt use one... i guess, unless in VS's they dont pick up stuff.

[Robert Walper]

While we're on the subject of the mass of the opponents, Borg drones can't be all that light. One particular scene that comes to mind is in ST:First contact. Beverly Crusher activates the EMH in sickbay as a distraction for the drones, and as one of the drones advances on him, it's footsteps are very audible and strike me as those of a very heavy individual(no pun intented there ).

[Aaron]

I think that the Droids being resistant to blaster fire to the point where their not burned through by blasters but rather dismembered by the KE of the bolt shows that they must have some significant weight to them. The armour needed to pull this off probably isn't light.

[NecronLord]

it's footsteps are very audible and strike me as those of a very heavy individual(no pun intented there ).

Knights in armour make as much noise.

[Robert Walper]

it's footsteps are very audible and strike me as those of a very heavy individual(no pun intented there ).

Knights in armour make as much noise.

And those same knights needed to have pulley systems to lift them onto their horses because they were so heavy...

[Lord Revan]

it's footsteps are very audible and strike me as those of a very heavy individual(no pun intented there ).

Knights in armour make as much noise.

And those same knights needed to have pulley systems to lift them onto their horses because they were so heavy...

I'm not sure as I have heard Knights in armor doing hand stands

[Bertie Wooster]

it's footsteps are very audible and strike me as those of a very heavy individual(no pun intented there ).

Knights in armour make as much noise.

And those same knights needed to have pulley systems to lift them onto their horses because they were so heavy...

The only Knights that ever needed pulleys to get on horses were the ones in that "Henry V" movie with Laurence Olivier. They were quite dextrous and capable of acrobatics in their armor.

Sorry, I get annoyed with that false notion of knights being carried in cranes.

[Stark]

Robert, you're HONESTLY saying that the drone will win - because of hand to hand? They'll get fucking shot, man!

Although, the BD is just a gun on legs. They didn't demonstrate impressive performance in any field. But they're still going to massacre drones with blasterfire. Hand to hand my ass.

[brianeyci]

Robert, you're HONESTLY saying that the drone will win - because of hand to hand? They'll get fucking shot, man!

Although, the BD is just a gun on legs. They didn't demonstrate impressive performance in any field. But they're still going to massacre drones with blasterfire. Hand to hand my ass.

The op says they are both unarmed.

Brian

[Robert Walper]

Robert, you're HONESTLY saying that the drone will win - because of hand to hand? They'll get fucking shot, man!

Although, the BD is just a gun on legs. They didn't demonstrate impressive performance in any field. But they're still going to massacre drones with blasterfire. Hand to hand my ass.

It helps to read at least the OP before posting. *sigh*

[Darth Lucifer]

Yep. No Assimilatio. Hand to hand combat. I have no explanation at to why they have non of their weapons or how they got here but...um... they did.

Perhaps the Borg wound up in a Jawa junk pile, or the BD floated into Borg space and lost his gun...hell, it's like coming up for a reason why ST and SW would cross in the first place. Use some creativity.

I vote for the SW battle droid, who would run circles around a drone. The Borg fight like the Gorn from Arena...well, not THAT bad, but they're definitely on the slow side.

[Darth Servo]

So if NEITHER has weapons, that means the drone has no assimilation tublues, right? Or does not have what ever they stunned Picard with in BOBW? Just a hand-to-hand brawl.

Battle droid, easily. Borg drones don't attack unless attacked first and by the time the battle droid attacks, the drone's neck is snapped.

[Darth Servo]

it's footsteps are very audible and strike me as those of a very heavy individual(no pun intented there ).

Knights in armour make as much noise.

And those same knights needed to have pulley systems to lift them onto their horses because they were so heavy...

THats a myth. I've seen videos of guys dressed in full plate armor thrown themselves to the ground and get themselves right back up again. The armor is distrbuted all over your body so its not just one muscle lifting the whole thing up.

[brianeyci]

Borg drones don't attack unless attacked first...

Depends what mode they're in. For example in Enterprise we see a Borg drone attack after being stuck in the ice by having nanoprobe injectors puncture someone's foot. In other words, either the drone is in "attack" mode or not.

Brian

[Robert Walper]

And those same knights needed to have pulley systems to lift them onto their horses because they were so heavy...

THats a myth. I've seen videos of guys dressed in full plate armor thrown themselves to the ground and get themselves right back up again. The armor is distrbuted all over your body so its not just one muscle lifting the whole thing up.

Well, your example is outside of the context I was referring to, being able to get onto a horse.

I was under the impression heavy knights needed to be assisted onto their horses with pulleys, since their armor was so heavy and cumbersome they couldn't get on one without assistance.

[Praxis]

Ok my first time on teh VS board so i thougt id post one:

One borg vs One Battle Droid.

Neither has weapons of any kind. And if anyone thinks a Battle Droid is perhaps to easy we'll make it:

One borg vs One Super Battle Droid

Same situation(SBD's weapons are busted).

The Super Battle Droid ripped a normal Battle droid's head off in one punch. Borg have been seen to be very slow and unweildy, relying only on assimilation.

One good SBD punch...

[Mobiboros]

Well, your example is outside of the context I was referring to, being able to get onto a horse.

I was under the impression heavy knights needed to be assisted onto their horses with pulleys, since their armor was so heavy and cumbersome they couldn't get on one without assistance.

That, as has been said, a myth. Full plate armour used in Jousing didn't even require a pulley system. The armour as a whole is heavy but it's weight rests on your shoulder, hips and legs. It's evenly distributed.

That said, I vote Battle Droid. Borg drones always seemed to react the same way zombies in a romero movie do (Personally always assumed it was done on purpose, what with the rotting look, and ability to 'infect' others with a 'bite'). The battle droids seemed to have some modicum of speed and strength and weren't easily damaged even by blaster fire.

[Darth Servo]

And those same knights needed to have pulley systems to lift them onto their horses because they were so heavy...

THats a myth. I've seen videos of guys dressed in full plate armor thrown themselves to the ground and get themselves right back up again. The armor is distrbuted all over your body so its not just one muscle lifting the whole thing up.

Well, your example is outside of the context I was referring to, being able to get onto a horse.

I was under the impression heavy knights needed to be assisted onto their horses with pulleys, since their armor was so heavy and cumbersome they couldn't get on one without assistance.

If one can lift him self off the ground, he can lift himself onto a horse as well.

[SirNitram]

On the knight-on-horseback tangent, it's probably worth noting that the armour weighed as much or a little less than modern kit for a soldier, but was actually sensibly distributed over the body instead of all on the shoulders. So, yea. Not gonna kill your maneuverability.

Placing a standard Battledroid in a fight unarmed is, however, outright ridiculous. They're fold up bargain basement soldier wannabes. You could probably fit one in your luggage. It speaks volumes of the craptitude of Drones that there's any debate.

[Lord Revan]

Placing a standard Battledroid in a fight unarmed is, however, outright ridiculous. They're fold up bargain basement soldier wannabes. You could probably fit one in your luggage. It speaks volumes of the craptitude of Drones that there's any debate.

Yeah The B1 and B2 droid aren't really melee fighters (unlike the standard borg drones who will either try to assimilate or beat crap out of you). If we really wanted pit a Borg drone against a melee wardroid, the droid in question would a IG-100 Magnaguard elite battledroid (and these things kill jedi when armed).

[Lord Sander]

I can just see it,

the Borg drone walks around examing his surroundings, wondering where the Collective voice(s) have gone.

Battle droid walks up to him.
Droid: "Halt! What are you doing here?"

The drone doesn't pay attention.
The droid steps into it's path.
Droid: "Sir, you will have to leave."

The drone notices the droid.
Drone: "We are the Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile."

Droid: "Assimilate, uh, err, that doesn't compute.."
The drone tries to plug its tubules into the droid.

Droid: "You're under arrest!"
The droid grabs to drone's arm and tries to haul him away, the drone just keeps trying to assimilate the droid.

Night falls. The drone still trying to assimilate the droid, the droid still trying to haul the drone away...

[Praxis]

I can just see it,

the Borg drone walks around examing his surroundings, wondering where the Collective voice(s) have gone.

Battle droid walks up to him.
Droid: "Halt! What are you doing here?"

The drone doesn't pay attention.
The droid steps into it's path.
Droid: "Sir, you will have to leave."

The drone notices the droid.
Drone: "We are the Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile."

Droid: "Assimilate, uh, err, that doesn't compute.."
The drone tries to plug its tubules into the droid.

Droid: "You're under arrest!"
The droid grabs to drone's arm and tries to haul him away, the drone just keeps trying to assimilate the droid.

Night falls. The drone still trying to assimilate the droid, the droid still trying to haul the drone away...

If its a Super Battle droid though it could take off the Drone's head in one punch.

[The Silence and I]

I can see why folks would expect a super battle droid to beat a drone into a pulp...but a standard, unarmed battle droid? O_o

Forget their strange tactics or unusual shielding, forget how stupid they may be, just look at their physical strength as that is all that matters right now, in this debate.

Borg drones have been seen effortlessly stiff-arming people with such force that they hurtle through the air for several meters. Borg drones have a large fraction of Data's upper body strength, which is frankly insane. They seem heavier than humans--requiring little shift in body weight before sending a man flying. They often have an armored longer arm which is used as a club, or as a tool, which includes cutting equipment. And they may be slower than we think they should be, but Borg drones can run, they can react almost quickly in hand to hand. They are not the skillful graceful dancers of the brawl, but frankly neither are the standard battle droids.

And what is with this speed advantage thing? Both droids and drones can run, both are slow retards most of the time. The difference is one has more mass, great strength and a built in club while the other has no appreciable mass for bashing things, and no indication of equal strength let along superior. The only trump card the droid has is the fact that drones have tubes that can be pulled out, but droids are just as unoriginal and stupid as the drones. Maybe more so, I would laugh if this were seriously considered. Now the super droids maybe, but they win anyway.

Gungans are impressive jumpers but their upper body is less 'built' than their lower body is. Stronger than a human in the upper body area? Maybe, stronger than a Borg? Not even close... our guess for Gungans places them at around a Vulcan, if that, who are ~3 x a human in strength. In a passing comment Picard says Lal, slighter and shorter than Data, has the strength of ten men, which is within reason of what Data has casually done in the past. Data may be significantly stronger though, particularly in the grip and wrist areas. Finally, we know a Borg drone is close to Data in physical strength--a few of them can man handle him in First Contact. So we have a bulky club weilding drone with the strength of probably 5< men vs. a light weight unarmed equally stupid droid with the strength of maybe 3 men. Guess who I'm betting on?

[Robert Walper]

I'd also like to add to your post there Silence; for those of you who can recall, Picard when assimilated into Locutus actually gave Data a very impressive run for his money in what was essentially an arm wrestle in the science lab. Not to mention Picard even had a disadvantage there since Data was fighting Picard's extended cybernetic arm which hindered maximum enhanced strength potential.

[Darth Lucifer]

Robert, Silence...touche. I really didn't give it that much thought until I read your replies.

Might I also add that Obi-Wan Kenobi also did a double jumping front kick and took out two battle droids. I know he has force enhanced strength, but all it took was one hit and the droids were toast. (Kick ASS!! )

This doesn't seem relevant until we can find some examples of fast moving Borg. I know there have to be some. I don't have it on DVD, but in the BOBW p1 where the borg snatch Picard to turn him into Locutus, I think a chick borg teleports behind him and uses her club thingy to stun Picard by raising it to his neck/shoulder area. How quick does she move to do this? Is her arm elevated to any degree also?