Q vs? Umm? Can anything beat Q?

[brianeyci]

Your concession is accepted. Clearly common knowledge is above you. Unsurprising really.

What a fucking lie. That quotation is in context of what Q can do. If you say "Q can move a sea" that means Q can move any seas, and is a dishonest assessment. You mention upper and lower limits, and that the guy means it in the context of the episode, when the guy never mentions lower or upper limits, and he never mentions the episode.

And guess what, the only reason I jumped into this thread is because of your flagrant abuse of the term Moon. I don't give a flying monkey's about the lower limits of Q's abilities, because in the end, that ends up as a form of sophistry, I've seen this argument before and don't care to get involved in the nonsense it brings up. The only concrete thing that can be said on the matter is that Q is not omnipotent. His actual abilities are unquantifiable.

Whatever fuckshit, if you didn't care and wanted to argue the definition of "a moon is a natural satellite" rather than your "passing knowledge" which I debunked or the "upper or lower limits" which he never said, or the "refer to that specific moon" which he also never said, then why the fuck did you enter the thread, to debunk the fact that I didn't know that moon meant natural satellite orbiting a planet? Go away if you don't care.

Brian

[NecronLord]

Concession my ass numnuts. All your points have been countered.

By your completely reversing your position. "I'm on your side now, so I win."

You say we must think of "passing knowledge of moons" and I debunk the point that passing knowledge shows that moons are not the size of Deja Q.

The first link was to refute your laughable assertion that a moon has to be the size of Earth's primary moon to be called a moon. The second argument was to deal with your bitching that the Bre'el IV moon was smaller than those shown in the link.

You say that there are many smaller moons and what the guy said was a lower/upper limit, when the guy didn't even mention the episode name or lower or upper limits. Then you say that I meant to say "a moon needs to be a specific size" when it is clear to all when I say "that was not a moon, that was an asteroid"

Incorrect. You said that to be called a moon in debating, it has to be the size of Earth's Moon.

I am saying in context of Q's powers and what Q can do rather than the actual definition of moon which is common knowledge.

Except to you.

Why The fuck didn't you just say "moons are natural satellites of a planet"

Excuse me for not making my posts simple enough for you to understand. Are there any long words you would like explained?

rather than bringing up the stupid "passing knowledge of moons" point and then moving the goalposts to include far smaller moons that were not in your link?

The first link was to refute your laughable assertion that a moon has to be the size of Earth's primary moon to be called a moon. The second argument was to deal with your bitching that the Bre'el IV moon was smaller than those shown in the link.

Because if you had said it, it would be clearly obvious that you were taking my quote out of context and trying to strawman my argument into saying a moon needs to be a certain size fuckshit.

It wasn't a moon, it was an asteroid and was not near the size or mass of the moon.

Do try to learn what a straw-man is. Here's a clue. It's something that wasn't your original argument. Your argument was that in order to be called a moon in debating, a moon must be the size of the big one around Earth. This is wrong. You have conceeded this is wrong. Stop trying to embarass yourself.

[NecronLord]

What a fucking lie. That quotation is in context of what Q can do.

I'll just snip the rest, because it's all whiny shit.

an accurate description of the asteroid in Deja Q?

The picture is a nearly orthogonal view of the Enterprise-D with the asteroid.

Not to mention that Q himself refers to the "moon" as an asteroid.

Saying the asteroid was a "moon" rather than saying it was an asteroid is dishonest in debating because it implies that Q can move something the size of our moon.

It is blatantly obvious from these quotes that until today you thought that moon and asteroid were some sort of mutually exclusive (indeed, there has even been an asteroid discovered that has a moon of its own), size classifications. You have now learnt and admit that a moon is any natural sattelite of a planet. This is a concession. I accept it.

[brianeyci]

Concession my ass numnuts. All your points have been countered.

By your completely reversing your position. "I'm on your side now, so I win."

Ridiculous fuckshit. My mention of the word moon obviously refers to whether or not Q can move all moons, or The Moon. It is obviously an inaccurate description. If you had said "a moon is a natural satellite" dipshit, guess what your strawman would have been obvious from the beginning.

You say we must think of "passing knowledge of moons" and I debunk the point that passing knowledge shows that moons are not the size of Deja Q.

The first link was to refute your laughable assertion that a moon has to be the size of Earth's primary moon to be called a moon. The second argument was to deal with your bitching that the Bre'el IV moon was smaller than those shown in the link.

A fucking lie Look at the bold, and try and find where I said that. I said that when people think of moons, they think of larger moons than the Deja Q moon. I never said a moon needs to be the size of The Moon to be a moon. The only good point you brought up was that most well-known moons are not the size of our moon, which I counter that it doesn't matter anyway since the "well-known" moons you brought up in your link are far larger than the Deja Q moon and therefore "move an entire moon" is an inaccurate description of Q's powers. Then you move the goalposts by saying that there are many many smaller moons rather than sticking with your original assertion and conceding.

You say that there are many smaller moons and what the guy said was a lower/upper limit, when the guy didn't even mention the episode name or lower or upper limits. Then you say that I meant to say "a moon needs to be a specific size" when it is clear to all when I say "that was not a moon, that was an asteroid"

Incorrect. You said that to be called a moon in debating, it has to be the size of Earth's Moon.

No fuckshit, I said that asteroid is a more accurate description of Q's powers.

I am saying in context of Q's powers and what Q can do rather than the actual definition of moon which is common knowledge.

Except to you.

I already showed that I know that any natural satellite of a planet is a moon fuckshit.

Why The fuck didn't you just say "moons are natural satellites of a planet"

Excuse me for not making my posts simple enough for you to understand. Are there any long words you would like explained?

No, you fucking brought up "passing knowledge" of moons as if it is important what passing knowledge is, and then you move the goalposts. I'll tell you why you didn't mention "moons are natural satellites of a planet" -- because it would have been easy to tell it was a strawman of what I was saying. You fucking hid it in bringing up "passing knowledge", and then continue with smaller moons to make it appear as if I was arguing the size of the moon, when the point I am making is that "moving an entire moon" is an inaccurate description of Q's powers.

Do try to learn what a straw-man is. Here's a clue. It's something that wasn't your original argument. Your argument was that in order to be called a moon in debating, a moon must be the size of the big one around Earth. This is wrong. You have conceeded this is wrong. Stop trying to embarass yourself.

When did I say this fucktard? I said people think of The Moon, which is another way of saying when people intepret "Q can move an entire moon" that means "Q can move The Moon" because when you say you can move an entire moon it is dishonest when you don't refer to the specific episode.

Brian

[brianeyci]

What a fucking lie. That quotation is in context of what Q can do.

I'll just snip the rest, because it's all whiny shit.

an accurate description of the asteroid in Deja Q?

The picture is a nearly orthogonal view of the Enterprise-D with the asteroid.

Not to mention that Q himself refers to the "moon" as an asteroid.

Saying the asteroid was a "moon" rather than saying it was an asteroid is dishonest in debating because it implies that Q can move something the size of our moon.

It is blatantly obvious from these quotes that until today you thought that moon and asteroid were some sort of mutually exclusive (indeed, there has even been an asteroid discovered that has a moon of its own), size classifications. You have now learnt and admit that a moon is any natural sattelite of a planet. This is a concession. I accept it.

Ridiculous fuckshit. See anywhere there where I explicitly say that a moon must be the size of The Moon? Of course not. When I mention "asteroid" I only do so because that is a more accurate description of Q's powers because when you say "Q can more an entire moon" you say that Q can move any moon including The Moon which was the point, not that The Moon is the minimum size of a moon.

You take the entire thing out of context of the discussion, which is a description of Q's powers. Do you or do you not accept that when you say "Q can move an entire moon" without reference to episode and lower or upper limits, that someone not familar with the material would conclude that Q could move The Moon and therefore you should not refer to the asteroid as a moon even though it is technically a moon?

Brian

[NecronLord]

Ridiculous fuckshit. See anywhere there where I explicitly say that a moon must be the size of The Moon? Of course not. When I mention "asteroid" I only do so because that is a more accurate description of Q's powers because when you say "Q can more an entire moon" you say that Q can move any moon including The Moon which was the point, not that The Moon is the minimum size of a moon.

You take the entire thing out of context of the discussion, which is a description of Q's powers. Do you or do you not accept that when you say "Q can move an entire moon" without reference to episode and lower or upper limits, that someone not familar with the material would conclude that Q could move The Moon and therefore you should not refer to the asteroid as a moon even though it is technically a moon?

Brian

Irrelevant bull. You claim that it is invalid to call the Bre'el IV moon a moon. You are wrong, and your cheap Obi-Wan impression has got you nowhere. Q can indeed move a moon. I can move a moon. I can even move this planet with a small rocket. The fact that whoever said that without citation is a moron doesn't change the fact that you are also a moron. Your bullshit about the Bre'el IV moon not being worthy of the name moon has been disproven. Stop trying to get pissy and say you never claimed that.

"I called it an asteroid rather than moon because it's not as big as the Earth's moon doesn't change the fact that it is a moon. That is what it is. It is a moon. A moon it is. The definition of moon it fits, and a moon is what it is.

And no, that isn't taking you out of context. Context is the episode Deja Q and the application of the term moon to the moon in that episode.

[brianeyci]

Irrelevant bull. You claim that it is invalid to call the Bre'el IV moon a moon. You are wrong, and your cheap Obi-Wan impression has got you nowhere. Q can indeed move a moon. I can move a moon. I can even move this planet with a small rocket. The fact that whoever said that without citation is a moron doesn't change the fact that you are also a moron. Your bullshit about the Bre'el IV moon not being worthy of the name moon has been disproven. Stop trying to get pissy and say you never claimed that.

You can be a fucking asshole sometimes you know NecronLord?

You claimed that what the guy says refers to that specific moon, when it is plainly obvious that he did not refer to any specific moon and was being ambigious. That was my objection, and you try and argue definition of a moon without being clear about it by bringing up "passing knowledge". When I show it is obvious that passing knowledge from your link still has far larger moons, you move the goalposts.

1. "Q can freeze a ship"

Of course he can freeze a ship like the Enterprise-D, but does that mean he can freeze a ship the size and mass of an ISD? A more accurate description is that he can freeze the Enterprise-D.

2. "Q can move the Enterprise-D X light years in Y seconds"

Of course he can do that, but does that mean he can move a ship the size and mass of an ISD? A more accurate description is that he can move the Enterprise-D.

3. "Q can move a moon."

Of course he can move a moon, but does that mean he can move The Moon? A more accurate description is asteroid, which Q himself calls the moon to quantify his own powers at a point when his powers had been stripped and he had no reason to continue lying to the mortals to maintain his aura of invincibility.

You take this to mean I mean that a moon must be a minimum size, which is fucking ridiculous given the nature of the thread in discussing quantification of Q's powers to an absolute lower limit.

Brian

[NecronLord]

No fuckshit, I said that asteroid is a more accurate description of Q's powers.

Not really. Ceres is well beyond the demonstrated ability of Q to significantly move an object. Moon is just as accurate as Asteroid.

I already showed that I know that any natural satellite of a planet is a moon fuckshit.

You admit it now. Good for you.

No, you fucking brought up "passing knowledge" of moons as if it is important what passing knowledge is, and then you move the goalposts. I'll tell you why you didn't mention "moons are natural satellites of a planet" -- because it would have been easy to tell it was a strawman of what I was saying. You fucking hid it in bringing up "passing knowledge", and then continue with smaller moons to make it appear as if I was arguing the size of the moon, when the point I am making is that "moving an entire moon" is an inaccurate description of Q's powers.

Right. Words of two syllables or less..

Can. Q move a moon.

Yes he can.

You wanted to argue about the connotations attached to moons? Good for you. That's what you should have done. Instead, you denied, incorrectly, that the Bre'el IV moon was a moon, and got called on it.

Tough fucking titties.

[NecronLord]

You can be a fucking asshole sometimes you know NecronLord?

I pride myself on it.

You claimed that what the guy says refers to that specific moon, when it is plainly obvious that he did not refer to any specific moon and was being ambigious. That was my objection, and you try and argue definition of a moon without being clear about it by bringing up "passing knowledge". When I show it is obvious that passing knowledge from your link still has far larger moons, you move the goalposts.

No. You state that you were arguing connotations when your actual argument used denotations. Your gross incompetance with the written word does not my moving the goalposts make.

1. "Q can freeze a ship"

Of course he can freeze a ship like the Enterprise-D, but does that mean he can freeze a ship the size and mass of an ISD? A more accurate description is that he can freeze the Enterprise-D.

I don't recall this happening in Trek. And no, this hasn't been proven.

2. "Q can move the Enterprise-D X light years in Y seconds"

Of course he can do that, but does that mean he can move a ship the size and mass of an ISD? A more accurate description is that he can move the Enterprise-D.

Your post already says that fool. And yes, by extension, he could move an ISD. Perhaps at a slower speed, or perhaps he could simply expend more energy.

3. "Q can move a moon."

Of course he can move a moon, but does that mean he can move The Moon? A more accurate description is asteroid, which Q himself calls the moon to quantify his own powers at a point when his powers had been stripped and he had no reason to continue lying to the mortals to maintain his aura of invincibility.

He never says that he had been lying. Furthermore, he still claims to have been omnipotent while he is a human. He almost certainly means "omnipotent when compared to you worms" when he says it.

Let's not mention that the bre'el IV moon is an asteroid as well as being a moon. Your foolish ignorance of astronomy occurs again I see. This time I will use a definition for you:

"any of numerous small celestial bodies composed of rock and metal that move around the sun" In this case it is a different sun, but the definition of asteroid still holds. A small (on the appropriate scale) celestial body which moves around a sun. This is what the Bre'el IV moon is, though it does not independantly move around the Bre'el sun.

You take this to mean I mean that a moon must be a minimum size, which is fucking ridiculous given the nature of the thread in discussing quantification of Q's powers to an absolute lower limit.

Brian

Yawn. "Bitch, whinge, I got called." Anything else Brian?

[brianeyci]

You wanted to argue about the connotations attached to moons? Good for you. That's what you should have done. Instead, you denied, incorrectly, that the Bre'el IV moon was a moon, and got called on it.

When the fuck did I say that fucker?

Brian

[Antares]

I am sorry, that all this started due to my inaccurate posting
Well, you know some people dont care about accuracy simply
because they dont have the eposides in their hand and just
wanted to mention some point someboday else didn't mention before.
I just wanted to contribute a little bit

However could anybody of you evaluate some "lower limits" for Qs powers
by moving/teleporting an object like this moon/asteroid/you name it?
Would be interesting to hear your conclusion.

Thanx

[NecronLord]

You wanted to argue about the connotations attached to moons? Good for you. That's what you should have done. Instead, you denied, incorrectly, that the Bre'el IV moon was a moon, and got called on it.

When the fuck did I say that fucker?

Brian

How many times must I quote the following?

It wasn't a moon, it was an asteroid and was not near the size or mass of the moon.

Brian

You are arguing denotation; "It was not a moon" when at best you should be arguing connotation; "It was not what you would think of as a moon" and at worst you should be shutting up and hiding your face.

[brianeyci]

It's not your fault Antares, NecronLord is just being a fucker for some reason and I don't know why. NecronLord went through this whole charade of saying that size is important to define a moon with examples of sizes as if he was agreeing that the exact definition is not important and we should consider what "move an entire moon" means, and then he moves the goalposts and says that I am saying that size is the definition of the moon.

Guess why NecronLord didn't say "a moon is a natural satellite of a planet" rather than bringing up different sizes? Because he fucking wanted to strawman my argument and make it appear as if I was saying that a moon must be a minimum size. If he had said "a moon is a natural satellite of a planet" it would have been clear for all to see that he was being a fucker. Instead he goes through a whole excercise about arguing about "passing knowledge" and "common knowledge", and when I show that common knowledge is that moons are far larger than the Deja Q moon, he strawmans me. Fuck him.

Brian

[NecronLord]

It's not your fault Antares, NecronLord is just being a fucker for some reason and I don't know why.

Mockery of stupid people. You are stupid. I enjoy mocking you.

NecronLord went through this whole charade of saying that size is important to define a moon

What in the name of all the hells devised by all sadists? Not only have you disguised your concession as "I was saying this all along," you're now claiming that I have been arguing what you have been arguing. The size chart was to prove that only an ignorant person thinks moon=moon the size of Earth's moon.

with examples of sizes as if he was agreeing that the exact definition is not important and we should consider what "move an entire moon" means, and then he moves the goalposts and says that I am saying that size is the definition of the moon.

It wasn't a moon, it was an asteroid and was not near the size or mass of the moon.

Brian

Guess why NecronLord didn't say "a moon is a natural satellite of a planet"

Because I assumed even you could not be ignorant enough to not know that.

rather than bringing up different sizes? Because he fucking wanted to strawman my argument and make it appear as if I was saying that a moon must be a minimum size.

It wasn't a moon, it was an asteroid and was not near the size or mass of the moon.

Brian

Like that?

If he had said "a moon is a natural satellite of a planet" it would have been clear for all to see that he was being a fucker. Instead he goes through a whole excercise about arguing about "passing knowledge" and "common knowledge", and when I show that common knowledge is that moons are far larger than the Deja Q moon,

FUCKING HOLY SHITE OF THE BUDDAH!

This is unbelieveable. You've slipped back into it. The Bre'el IV moon is not big enough to be a moon because Brian says it isn't. My god man. How dumb are you?

he strawmans me. Fuck him.

Brian

Do you even know what a strawman is? It's attacking an stance the opponent doesn't use. The thing is, you do think a moon needs to be a certain size. You just slipped back into it. "I show that common knowledge is that moons are far larger than the Deja Q moon," ... I can't even say anything else right now, I'm so overcome with horror and shock at your idiocy.

[brianeyci]

How many times must I quote the following?

It wasn't a moon, it was an asteroid and was not near the size or mass of the moon.

Brian

You are arguing denotation; "It was not a moon" when at best you should be arguing connotation; "It was not what you would think of as a moon" and at worst you should be shutting up and hiding your face.

Except this is what you said next,

No. Perhaps when a moron like yourself thinks of a 'moon' they think of that. Anyone who has even a passing understanding of astronomy knows that the Earth's moon is actually quite a big one. Indeed, one of the outstanding mysteries of Astronomy is how the Earth got such a large moon. The vast majority of moons in the Solar System are tiny little things in comparison.

And I clearly show that when one says "move an entire moon" without any specification to episode or the size of the moon, one thinks he can move The Moon. In other words, at this point you accept that I know what the definition of moon is and you are arguing that moon is an accurate representation of Q's powers. You fucking move the goalposts when you lose and try and strawman my argument when you know what I meant just a few posts earlier.

Brian

[Antares]

Well, to be honest i thought about this thingy orbiting the main planet of
being at least 1000km in diameter.
According to the visuals this is of course wrong.
However it guess it is at least 5km in size.

Moving/teleporting an object like this without any noticing effect is still quite
impressive if you ask me.

[NecronLord]

And I clearly show that when one says "move an entire moon" without any specification to episode or the size of the moon, one thinks he can move The Moon. In other words, at this point you accept that I know what the definition of moon is and you are arguing that moon is an accurate representation of Q's powers. You fucking move the goalposts when you lose and try and strawman my argument when you know what I meant just a few posts earlier.

Brian

"You just said it again! Not big enough to be a moon."

I show that common knowledge is that moons are far larger than the Deja Q moon,

Pick a fucking position and stay there you maggot chewed hemroid!

[brianeyci]

And I clearly show that when one says "move an entire moon" without any specification to episode or the size of the moon, one thinks he can move The Moon. In other words, at this point you accept that I know what the definition of moon is and you are arguing that moon is an accurate representation of Q's powers. You fucking move the goalposts when you lose and try and strawman my argument when you know what I meant just a few posts earlier.

Brian

"You just said it again! Not big enough to be a moon."

No fucker, I am saying that moon is not an accurate representation of Q's powers since when you say "you can move an entire moon" it means you can move The Moon, which is inaccurate. Why are you so stupid that you can understand a compound sentence?

I show that common knowledge is that moons are far larger than the Deja Q moon,

Pick a fucking position and stay there you maggot chewed hemroid!

You miss the "common knowledge" part, which means I am not arguing that a fucking moon must be the size of The Moon but that when one thinks of "move an entire moon" he thinks of The Moon.

If I was really so intent in saying the moon must be a minimum size, where the fuck is the statement from me explicitly saying that The Moon is the minimum size of all moons? You need to twist the meaning of my sentences to mean that.

Brian

[SirNitram]

Moving/teleporting an object like this without any noticing effect is still quite
impressive if you ask me.

It is rather impressive, but better's been done. Force Storms, Sith-induced supernovae, and the Rogue Planet come to mind.

[NecronLord]

You miss the "common knowledge" part, which means I am not arguing that a fucking moon must be the size of The Moon but that when one thinks of "move an entire moon" he thinks of The Moon.

If I was really so intent in saying the moon must be a minimum size, where the fuck is the statement from me explicitly saying that The Moon is the minimum size of all moons? You need to twist the meaning of my sentences to mean that.

Brian

What you think is common knowledge is 'common misconception' idiot.

[Antares]

Moving/teleporting an object like this without any noticing effect is still quite
impressive if you ask me.

It is rather impressive, but better's been done. Force Storms, Sith-induced supernovae, and the Rogue Planet come to mind.

Oh, i see
Supernovaing a planet by force is interesting

[SirNitram]

Moving/teleporting an object like this without any noticing effect is still quite
impressive if you ask me.

It is rather impressive, but better's been done. Force Storms, Sith-induced supernovae, and the Rogue Planet come to mind.

Oh, i see
Supernovaing a planet by force is interesting

It was, IIRC, done by Exar Kun via some sort of amplifying device. Also in the extreme-Force examples: Tossing a fleet of Star Destroyers several lightyears with telekinesis in a second, by use of the Temple in ANH to ramp up several Apprentices working together.

Just to deliver the full weight of that implication, while the E-D is known to lighten it's own mass signifiganty while in flight(And thus ease Q's load when tossing it), an Imperial warship's hull armour has neutronium.. Ridiculously dense material that weighs by the ton per teaspoon.. In it.Coupled with the absurdly high mass dictated by it's energy stores, and an ISD is a more impressive throw by far.

[The Silence and I]

^^^Is it that simple though? In both cases impossibilities were performed: FTL. F=ma may not apply in any way we can relate. What I mean is while I think moving something with mass 5x should be harder than the same motion applied to a mass of x, due to the freaky shit occuring that allows FTL the difference in effort may not be 5. It may not be any different (although that goes against my sensibilities...but then so does FTL).

We cannot really assume much, if anything, about these 'super physics' events IMO. Part of why quantifying Q is ultimately impossible (if the most he has ever teleported is X over Y distance, then this is a lower limit, but it means very little. How much energy did it take to do that? Does distance or mass place more relative strain on the feat? Does the material teleported make any difference? How much? If distance is a factor can he extend range by extending the time of event? Or would it be shortening the event? Does distance even matter all that much? How is he accomplishing his feat? Oh wait we have no idea so we can't even narror the above questions down).

We know such events are impressive, namely because no one else can do them and they defy our perception of the natural laws, but the ultimate impressiveness is unknown and so is the relative.

[brianeyci]

What you think is common knowledge is 'common misconception' idiot.

I already proved your "passing knowledge" of astronomy pic to be wrong. Whether it is a misconception or not is irrelevant dickhole. When you say "you can move an entire moon" you say you can move The Moon, if you don't specify episode or the size of the moon. Whether or not smaller moons exist is irrelevant, because when you say "Q can move an entire moon" you say that Q can move The Moon. Your only reply is lower/upper limits, which the guy never mentioned in the first place.

Given this is a thread about lower/upper limits of Q's ability, it should be clear that saying that Q can move "an entire moon" without reference is at the least an innocent mistake, or at worst a deliberate attempt at decieving. Since antares has already apologized for bringing it up, it is probably a mistake, but one that still should be corrected. Your only reply is that "oh he means that he can move that exact moon" which is wrong because he did not specify what size of moon or what episode the quote came from.

Brian

[NecronLord]

I already proved your "passing knowledge" of astronomy pic to be wrong.

I'm not even going to bother. You have proven nothing, least of all that a scale map of various prominent moons is inaccurate. You've stated that it has no relevance. Which again is wrong. The assertion it was used to back up is that the Earth's moon is a large one, and that in "moving a moon" one can generally assume the Earth's moon to be near the upper limit.

Whether it is a misconception or not is irrelevant dickhole.

On this site at least we assume that when we debate someone they have a basic education. Such as "Most moons are smaller than The Moon."

When you say "you can move an entire moon" you say you can move The Moon, if you don't specify episode or the size of the moon.

Only to an ignoramus like you.

Whether or not smaller moons exist is irrelevant, because when you say "Q can move an entire moon" you say that Q can move The Moon.

Only to an ignoramus like you.

Your only reply is lower/upper limits, which the guy never mentioned in the first place.

So? Your assertion that "Q can move a moon" means "Q can move a moon the size of 'Luna'" is shite. It may mean that to you, but it doesn't mean it to someone who knows something of astronomy. Such as 1 - the Average debator on this board or 2 - The average Starfleet crewer.

Given this is a thread about lower/upper limits of Q's ability, it should be clear that saying that Q can move "an entire moon" without reference is at the least an innocent mistake, or at worst a deliberate attempt at decieving. Since antares has already apologized for bringing it up, it is probably a mistake, but one that still should be corrected. Your only reply is that "oh he means that he can move that exact moon" which is wrong because he did not specify what size of moon or what episode the quote came from.

Brian

You are still saying moronic things like:

I show that common knowledge is that moons are far larger than the Deja Q moon,

These things demonstrate that you do not know about astronomy, and either should shut up and do your own research whenever someone uses an astronomical term like moon, or just piss the hell off.