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Gorefiend wrote:Only the movie seen part of it, not the authors own added work, like the mendiator dreadnaught is.
You're saying this in response to...
Primus wrote:Saxton's DK work is novelisation/radio drama-level canon, subordinate to only the movies and superior to all other EU.
...this? Yeah, you're wrong (Gorefriend). Saxton's published Lucasfilm work, original or film-based, stands only slightly below G-level. Period.
i would have to go for the bacta wars and severals fights with the iron fist
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You're right, it was the Tydirium I was referring to... gah, I should stay away from debates when I'm tired... sorry for the mistake.
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...this? Yeah, you're wrong. Saxton's published Lucasfilm work, original or film-based, stands only slightly below G-level. Period.
+http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... &start=125

Have a read with me their, anything in the movies is g level, otherwise it is extended universe, or infinites. The Madiator is not going to be in the movie, we are pretty certain of that, aren’t we? So it is EU and with it the statement about it’s power.
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Mind if I take some time to find the books again? It’s not like if have all of them on me all the time.
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Gorefiend wrote:Have a read with me there. Anything in the movies is g level, otherwise it is extended universe or infinites. The Mandator is not going to be in the movie. We are pretty certain of that, aren’t we? So it is EU and with it the statement about it’s power.
Crazy grammar fixed. And...someone more versed with canon policy than me is going to have to answer this. My instinct says that it's the individual material that holds the canon rank, not the various topics it addresses. As such, the entirety of the ICS/ITW books are pseudo-G-level.

If they're not, then they're still the newest C-level, and new > old in the Lucasfilm canon policy. Furthermore, the Mandator has not been previously explicitly mentioned and thus there is no contradicting evidence. It therefore stands in that case too.
Mind if I take some time to find the books again? It’s not like if have all of them on me all the time.
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Gorefiend wrote:
...this? Yeah, you're wrong. Saxton's published Lucasfilm work, original or film-based, stands only slightly below G-level. Period.
+http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... &start=125

Have a read with me their, anything in the movies is g level, otherwise it is extended universe, or infinites. The Madiator is not going to be in the movie, we are pretty certain of that, aren’t we? So it is EU and with it the statement about it’s power.
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Mind if I take some time to find the books again? It’s not like if have all of them on me all the time.
C-level Canon called that for a reason unless you G-level that says otherwise it's canon. Also as far as I know the internal canon hierarcy hasn't changed so DK books are highest EU source.
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Primus wrote:Saxton's DK work is novelisation/radio drama-level canon, subordinate to only the movies and superior to all other EU.
...this? Yeah, you're wrong. Saxton's published Lucasfilm work, original or film-based, stands only slightly below G-level. Period.
No, I'm not. You're wrong, and we've went over, in several threads, how the Holocron's internal classification system (G, C, S, and N) does not bestow status to sources. It is solely an internal classification according to its source (George Lucas, other Continuity, Subcontinuity, or Non-canon sources).

The system remains as enshrined by Cerasi/Sansweet, with a graduated scale of canon based on how close a source is to the actual films. DK works are thus classed similarly to novelisations and radio dramas.
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Illuminatus Primus wrote:No, I'm not. You're wrong, and we've went over, in several threads, how the Holocron's internal classification system (G, C, S, and N) does not bestow status to sources. It is solely an internal classification according to its source (George Lucas, other Continuity, Subcontinuity, or Non-canon sources).

The system remains as enshrined by Cerasi/Sansweet, with a graduated scale of canon based on how close a source is to the actual films. DK works are thus classed similarly to novelisations and radio dramas.
Yeah, as I said in my PM (just clarifying for the public's benefit) I wasn't saying you were wrong, but rather that Gorefiend was wrong. I edited the post to clarify the mix-up. Sorry 'bout that.
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Gorefiend wrote:No g level but if all star wars would only be the moviesl it would be a very sad star wars galaxy ;]
The 1000 warship statement in saxton’s new work is eu as well and that was the one is was getting at.

The fighter capacity is open to discussion and saxon gave it more then 80times the firepower himself with the 5000 weapons statement.
Actually no he didn't. There are going off memory around 900 objects that vaguely resemble the 8 gun heavy turbolaser turrets of the ISDII and 4 gun HTL and double ion cannon turrets of the ISDI. Therefore it has the potential to have over 7200 HEAVY turbolasers. Using the same weapon balance of an ISDII's estimated 'real' armament, the Executor could have in the region of 15,000 light turbolasers for point defense.

5,000 turbolasers and ion cannons strikes me as a good effort to reconcile the radically different combat potential an Executor has going by the movies and its sheer size with its uninspiring performance in EU, being worth 20 odd ISDs despite being as massive as 100 of them. 5,000 turbolasers and ion cannons makes an Executor staggeringly powerful on paper compared to an ISD with its 64 heavy guns and 120-150 light guns I've seen estimated on here.

Personally I think it would be maximalism to a point where sanity must be questioned to assume that every circular 10 meter blob on the Executor's hull *MUST* be a heavy ion or turbolaser turret, a fact that, in so many words, Saxton reminds us of on the page dealing with these potential heavy turrets.
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"Now I have forty, no eighty. Eight zero."
Drysso's jaw dropped as he saw a nova flare blossum up over the horizon of his starboard bow. The shields held for a second or two, then collapsed. Warning sirens started shrieking on the bridge as multiple torpedo and missile hits exploded six kilometer away on the ship's bow. The brilliant fire gnawed at the clean lines of his ship, shattering armour plates and triggering dozens of secondary and tertiary explosions.
Just found this one on Saxton’s site. It is a quote from the Bacta War novel. It goess to show that a volley of some 80 torpedos can smash through the shields of a Executor class vessel and seems to cause some pretty nasty damage to the hull.

I'll look for more, just have to figure out if those novels are in English (I bought most of the old stuff in German), and were they all are.
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Gorefiend wrote:Just found this one on Saxton’s site. It is a quote from the Bacta War novel. It goess to show that a volley of some 80 torpedos can smash through the shields of a Executor class vessel and seems to cause some pretty nasty damage to the hull.

I'll look for more, just have to figure out if those novels are in English (I bought most of the old stuff in German), and were they all are.
Which has what to do with the ship's weapons and starfighter compliment?

In any case, 80 torpedoes launched at a single section of shielding will clearly drop the shields temporarily. A capital ship bombardment also rendered Executor's bridge shields vulnerable in ROTJ. That doesn't mean that the shields are gone; SW shields don't work that way. They're temporarily down and that opening will exist until the shields can recharge themselves.
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Which has what to do with the ship's weapons and starfighter compliment?
Aren’t we talking about general fighting powers of a super star destroyer? :roll:

Armaments is pretty clear from the Eu's point of view.
The surface of the Executor was dotted with all sorts of weaponry. Its front arc was covered by 200 heavy and light turbolaser batteries, 50 concussion missile launchers, 100 ion cannons, and 20 tractor beam projectors. Its side arcs each boasted coverage by 75 light turbolaser batteries and 50 heavy turbolaser batteries, as well as 75 missile tubes, 50 ion cannons and 10 tractor beam projectors. The rear arc, traditionally the least defended area of a vessel, had an impressive weapons array of 50 heavy turbolaser batteries, 50 missile tubes, and 50 ion cannons.
From the Star Wars Website

Saxon gives it more then 5000 turbo laser and ion canons in his guide, as he counts batteries as several separate weapons, unlike the other sources. So there is no real conflict there.

As for fighter compliment. EU generally gives it something like this...
The ship generally carries up to two hundred smaller vessels, including Lambda-Class shuttles, landing craft, and up to twelve squadron of TIE fighters, interceptors, and bombers.
from Wotc Starships of the Galaxy.

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Other Super-Class Star Destroyers had slightly different configurations of weapons, crew, and troops, depending on the circumstances of their construction and their intended missions.
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Saxon gives it several wings of starfighters. Which really could mean anything from 144 fighters up to infinity.
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Armaments is pretty clear from the Eu's point of view.
Except that it's far too small for a ship of the Executor's size. Someone already said over 900 objects the size of HTL turrets have been counted, implying even greater numbers of medium and light arms, far surpassing EU stats.
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Except that it's far too small for a ship of the Executor's size. Someone already said over 900 objects the size of HTL turrets have been counted, implying even greater numbers of medium and light arms, far surpassing EU stats.
In military science, a battery is a group of artillery or cannon, so grouped in order to facilitate battlefield communication and the organization of barrages.
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It seems to be a question about how big you make a weapon battery. If you take the 250 ion guns away you are left with some ~4750 turbolasers, if you split that among 400 batteries (ignoring for now that some are light, some are heavy) you get ~12 guns per battery, which does not sound all that bad, but that is just a stab into the dark and we can anyway only take a guess how many gun bubbles the model really seems to have, not to mention all the small guns.
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Your quote specifies 200 "heavy and light turbolaser batteries". I pointed out that the 900 objects on the Executor's hull are the same size as the heavy batteries on an ISDI/II class. Assuming they are in fact HTL batteries, I doubt they're mixed caliber.
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400 completely baseless 12-gun batteries total ignoring that includes medium and light guns, vs
900 HEAVY turbolaser turrets at least.
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Gorefiend wrote:Aren’t we talking about general fighting powers of a super star destroyer? :roll:
Yes. I wasn't aware you were attempting to call into doubt its shield capacity as well.
Armaments is pretty clear from the Eu's point of view.
The surface of the Executor was dotted with all sorts of weaponry. Its front arc was covered by 200 heavy and light turbolaser batteries, 50 concussion missile launchers, 100 ion cannons, and 20 tractor beam projectors. Its side arcs each boasted coverage by 75 light turbolaser batteries and 50 heavy turbolaser batteries, as well as 75 missile tubes, 50 ion cannons and 10 tractor beam projectors. The rear arc, traditionally the least defended area of a vessel, had an impressive weapons array of 50 heavy turbolaser batteries, 50 missile tubes, and 50 ion cannons.
From the Star Wars Website

Saxon gives it more then 5000 turbo laser and ion canons in his guide, as he counts batteries as several separate weapons, unlike the other sources. So there is no real conflict there.
That's because a battery is several separate weapons.
Dictionary.com wrote:bat·ter·y
n. pl. bat·ter·ies
1. An emplacement for one or more pieces of artillery.
2. A set of guns or other heavy artillery, as on a warship.
3. An army artillery unit, corresponding to a company in the infantry.
Underline emphasis mine. That's the second definition 'group' for the term, the others being irrelevant for the discussion.
Dr. Saxton wrote:The flat hull surfaces of the Executor are covered with raised, rectangular blisters or panels that are a few tens of metres across. Some are narrower than others, but all have approximately the same area has the primary turrets on a star destroyer. They could be weapons batteries too, although individual gun barrels would not be resolvable at the structural resolution of the Executor special effects model.
Emphasis mine. So, counting various raised hull structures, Dr. Saxton comes up with a number of ~940 blisters, not all of which are necessarily HTLs. Most of them aren't of regular dimensions, which would argue against a standard HTL emplacement. Some might be shield projectors, sensor suites, missile tubes, etc. They also probably consist of heavy ion cannons as well among those that are squareish in shape.

Your EU numbers suggest 350 total HTL batteries, or roughly 44 times the HTL armament of an Imperator (with 8 batteries of 8 guns each). Much as you said, there doesn't seem to be a conflict here. 350 HTL batteries * 8 = 2800 guns (:shock:). If the "5000 turbolasers and ion cannons" number is a combined total of individual guns, then it's probably something of an underestimate, given that the ship sports 2800 HTLs.

In case we're not clear, HTLs are the guns that tend to kill most ships in a shot or two. And you think Executor is weak...how?
As for fighter compliment. EU generally gives it something like this...
The ship generally carries up to two hundred smaller vessels, including Lambda-Class shuttles, landing craft, and up to twelve squadron of TIE fighters, interceptors, and bombers.
from Wotc Starships of the Galaxy.

(btw. Another nice fact from that book is that...
Other Super-Class Star Destroyers had slightly different configurations of weapons, crew, and troops, depending on the circumstances of their construction and their intended missions.
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Saxon gives it several wings of starfighters. Which really could mean anything from 144 fighters up to infinity.
A) Starships of the Galaxy is a gaming supplement. I happen to own it myself. The sheer fact that they use "Super-class" casts their entire article's validity into doubt, given that the ship is Executor-class. Good ol' WEG bullshit being carried on once again. :roll:

B) Executor also lugs around planetary garrisons. Those eat up a lot of space, I imagine, compared to something like a Venator, which is dedicated solely to starfighters and personnel/mechanized combat rather than installing actual outposts. Your "slightly different configurations" quote probably goes a long way in terms of "slightly" meaning "well, if we take out the garrisons, we make room for another thousand fighters" or some such.
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Firefox wrote:Your quote specifies 200 "heavy and light turbolaser batteries". I pointed out that the 900 objects on the Executor's hull are the same size as the heavy batteries on an ISDI/II class. Assuming they are in fact HTL batteries, I doubt they're mixed caliber.
No, look at the page. There are 900 raised panels on Executor's flat hull areas. They are not identical in size or shape, though many are uniform squares which could be suggestive of HTL emplacements. See my above post. For the blister to actually be a HTL emplacement, it ought to be relatively squarish in order to facilitate a rotating battery. A rectangular shape does not facilitate this well.
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Ahah, I thought you were implying they were HTL batteries. My mistake.
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Firefox wrote:Ahah, I thought you were implying they were HTL batteries. My mistake.
Oh, don't get me wrong, many of them probably are. They can't all be, though, based on a factory-stamped HTL mentality, since mass-produced HTLs will be uniform in dimension and many of those blisters do not adequately fit that profile.
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What other functions could the "irregular" panels serve? Batteries of other calibers? Warhead launchers?

It's too bad there aren't any high-res close-ups of the surface features, save for Saxton's. It'd be interesting to try to measure all of the blisters, although that would take a while.
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Missile tubes, shield generators, sensors...plenty of different functions.
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Thanks for clarifying that, then. This whole time I thought all of the blisters served as HTL batteries. Of course, reducing the number of them that *could* be HTLs probably doesn't change the likelihood that there are such batteries in the cityscape, brim trench, and other locations.
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Firefox wrote:Thanks for clarifying that, then. This whole time I thought all of the blisters served as HTL batteries. Of course, reducing the number of them that *could* be HTLs probably doesn't change the likelihood that there are such batteries in the cityscape, brim trench, and other locations.
Some people might think that all of them are HTLs. I don't, personally. As to HTLs in the cortex area, I'm doubtful of that. The big argument for the blisters being HTLs at all is that they're on the flat portions of the ship, affording them clear lines of fire. You don't want to hit yourself with a HTL -- you'll have a very bad fucking day ;) The cortex guns are probably Gorefiend's LTLs, such as those we saw tear apart the X-wing behind Arvel Crynyd's A-wing just prior to his fateful plunge through Executor's bridge.
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The Bacta War isn't a very good example for the following reasons: first, the Lusankya was either under-crewed or crewed mostly by inexperienced ill-trained Thyferran conscripts. Second, during the battle of Thyferra the Lusankya left its fighters to support the Virulance and had to rely on Thyferran piloted TIEs, which didn't arrive in a particularly timely manner. Third, the captain of the Lusy wasn't entirely stable. Fourth, the Lusy was hit by several vollies of ~600 cap-ship grade missiles in fairly localized areas, if you can accept that 500 precisely targeted PTs can momentarily bring down a weak planetary shield then it is pretty easy to conclude that 1200 PTs should be able to hurt an Executor, also those transports firing the missiles were hiding among a bunch of other transports and weren't giving off any targeting emissions that could be tracked back to them so it was hard for the Lusy to kill them.
So it was really a case of good vs. bad tactics and a lot of luck. Similar to the way Hannibal was able to anihilate 80,000 roman legionairies with only 20-30 thousand infantry and 8,000 cavalry. Also, the X-wing series somewhere said that taking out an Executor in a strait up fight without another Executor was a really bad idea and that the battles of Endor and Thyferra were very special cases having more to do with a perfect sorm of circumstances than anything else. And as has been pointed out already we haven't ever really seen a true fleet battle with Executors.
As for the Zsinj battles actuallly it shows how nasty an Executor can be and only after being disabled by a secret agent was it heavily damaged and not even then was it destroyed. As for Zsinj running away half the time he realized how important keeping the Iron Fist intact was and so he wouldn't ever really risk the ship in battle unless he was assured of victory. Rather like the way 20th century battleships weren't risked unless they had a definite edge against their opponent and would avoid battle otherwise, like the battle of Jutland or the Bismark chase.
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Yes. I wasn't aware you were attempting to call into doubt its shield capacity as well.
I pretty much thought that was what this was all about. Why would I ask for more time to get the novels, if I was just looking for weapons and fighter numbers? :D
That's because a battery is several separate weapons.
Which I was saying all along. The EU says the thing has several batteries (multiple canons) of turbolasers, Saxton says there are 5000+ single “canons”.
And you think Executor is weak...how?
I was saying it, because for its large firepower (which was never in doubt) it does not fare all that well in fights, and does not seem to be able to go against 1000 warships (like its older brother is said to be able to).
A) Starships of the Galaxy is a gaming supplement. I happen to own it myself. The sheer fact that they use "Super-class" casts their entire article's validity into doubt, given that the ship is Executor-class. Good ol' WEG bullshit being carried on once again.
It is just the naming it is none the less the same ship. The problem with the book (and several other older sources and eu in general) is that, unless something newer goes strictly against the specific statement it is still canon and so far nothing has replaced the given numbers (nothing I know of at least).

I agree with that for a ship of the Executors size the load out is poor at best, it non the less is canon.
Executor also lugs around planetary garrisons. Those eat up a lot of space, I imagine, compared to something like a Venator, which is dedicated solely to starfighters and personnel/mechanized combat rather than installing actual outposts. Your "slightly different configurations" quote probably goes a long way in terms of "slightly" meaning "well, if we take out the garrisons, we make room for another thousand fighters" or some such.
Yes absolutely, I wrote that as well (some time ago in the other post). If you take out the 200 support ships and the bases you can at least (!) fit 500 more fighters in there.

PS: Pardon my bad English grammar, it’s not my native language and I have been out of practice for a long time. I hope it will get better as we go along. ;)
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