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A:They have an active intelligence agency, and the strategic speed to redeploy them to where they need to be to retrieve the information. Federation computer security in general is garbage.
Thats a great claim. I think your forgeting a few key things though. For one, do you have any proof that SW computers are significantly better or more advanced than Federation computers? Nothing I've ever seen in SW leads me to believe that they are better. In fact, they seem quite behind in computing power, at least aboard they're spacecraft. (specialized Droids are often needed to perform hyperspace calculations that ship computers are incapable of) Secondly, how bout the little fact that the databanks were retreived from a destroyed vessel (read 'damaged') and that they are in a completly alien language and of completly alien design. Your confidence in the empire aside, do you have any actual
proof that they could access and interpret the ST databanks in a few days? I mean, retrieving data from corrupted or damaged systems in the modern world can take weeks or longer, and that's with people who know exactly what they are working with and looking for.
You know, this is the great thing about Federation ships in general, and Galaxy classes in particular, that they have universal translators, and children's computers that are going to already be prepared to teach the unitiated their way around the Federation language and computer architecture, and these same children's computers are linked into the main computer network. The entirety of their computer system appears to be open source archirtecture, which is a security nightmare for any competent computer security planner to begin with.
As vessels of exploration and being expected to go on first contact missions, logically, they should have materials to familiarise people they are contacting with the Federation to prevent misunderstandings. Unless, of course, you want to argue that the Federation is so cretinously incompetent as to not provide the basic supplies to allow their ships to carry out their primary function. Either way is fine with me.
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B: Draw one ship off from 500 different sectors, with hyperdive they can all be there in the few days needed. If the Empire is serious about the attack, they can draw off one ship from eevry other sector and just send an entire sector fleet of 1600+ ships through, or deploy an oversector to the problem.
I never said that they
couldn't get 500 ships to the wormhole. Hell, they could get every ship in there fleet there if they
choose to do so. The point is,
would they? A few examples have already been listed above to show that the Empire rarely if ever deploys such resources to deal with even equally powered forces.I doubt any imperial higher ups are going to instantly send more than a handful of ships to back up the SD that is already guarding the wormhole, especially considering the complete lack of resistance the SD will be naturally reporting after it's successful fight.
If they are intending to invade, at the very least, they are going to allocate one ship for every world they are expecting to conquer. This is a minimum of 150 worlds if Picard's statement in First Contact is taken at face value, or thousands if we go with the assumption that those are charter members, with multiple developed associated worlds, and a multitude of colonies. This is on top of any force that the Empire might deploy to cover both ends of the wormhole. It is also a negligible diversion of force, and represents the minimum prudent force to deploy, even against a group of technologically primitive backwater hicks with no real defenses to speak of. You have never seen the Empire engaged in offensive operations of conquest on film, the closest we get is with Dark Epire, where hundreds of superweapos with a supporting fleet are deployed against a single world without any real hope of resistance, so your assumption that you know everything there is to know about the Empire's military methods is fatally flawed.
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C: Because ten years worth of warmaking material concentrated in one place might be capable of taking a single SW ship, if we didn't already know that the Feds can be horribly short-sighted when it comes to long-term preparations for drastic threats. Borg come once, build a Defiant prototype, they don't come for a few years, and the design gets practically shelved.
Of course, you completely ignore the fact that the Feds have 5 ISD's and 10 years to study the 'Q encyclopedia of imperial knowledge' figuring out weaknesses, new technologies/weapons/defenses etc. You also make a complely BS claim in saying "ten years worth of warmaking material concentrated in one place might be capable of taking a single SW ship". Thats pure wank and I'd love to see you back it up. You can start by telling me exactly how much and of what the Federation can produce in the 10 years following the Q warning. Good luck. Without that info, your claim is nothing but absolute baseless opinion.
Well, lets see. Lets say that the TM stats stand, giving 128 Megaton quantums to the Federation, and that in ten years, they are able to reverse engineer enough to jump their capabilities an order of magnitude ahead of where they were, hell, lets even give them 100% efficient, unidirectional torpedos on top of that. Lets say that they can build a thousand Sovereigns upgraded to the new standard each year, givng them a ten thousand strong elite strike force, the likes of which we have never seen Starfleet have even the remotest shot of deploying. So we have ten thousand ships clustered at effective combat range around the wormhole, all at general quarters waiting for the exact moment the portal will open again.
They all fire sending 40000 Quantum torpedos streaking in towards the first star destroyer through the gate. They inflict fifty teratons of energy transferin the first second, enveloping the Star Destroyer in a massive firestorm, obscuring it from view, through which it sails, completely unharmed, because the ICS is canon, and that attack wouldn't even begin to exceed the per second dissipation rate of a star destroyer's shields, much less start cutting into the reserve it maintains.
If I wanted to, I could use lovely instances like the ramming incident in Nemesis, the Borg attack on the Phoenix in First Contact, and the Kazon's strafing of a building to give initial numbers to the Federation that are kiloton level at best.
It would be nice of you to provide some sort of baseline capability of the Feds capability, rather than just going 'nyah-nyah you can't prove anything'. For the record the shipbuilding number I just provided is about five times greater than the one our head Trekkie supports, and the continued use of Miranda and Excelsior class ships in major fleet actions tends to argue that Starfleet's build numbers tend to be much lower.
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SW would win because they have sufficient firepower and speed to force surrender on the Feds by glassing a few of their major worlds, once they fight their way through the wormhole.
Again, your love of pure wank has apparently washed away logic and reason completly from your points. The empire isn't going to be able to just waltz through the wormhole as you seem to be claiming. Only a limited number of ships are going to be able to get through the wormhole at one time to begin with, depending on the size of the wormhole and the size of the ships passing through it. As evidenced by the movies, it's not a good idea to start flying the lumbering ISD's in any kind of close formation or you run a good risk of them getting in each others way and/or colliding. Plus, the Fed's only have to win two engagements to take the victory. The first could easily be the lone ISD initially guarding the wormhole. The second may be the imperial fleets next excursion into the wormhole, or possibly some target on the SW side.
You know, to paraphrase your response to someone else, I don't see where the OP limits the number of ships transiting at any one time. Also, for the last time:
"Major Fleet Engagement"
Major fleet engagement does not mean bushwacking a single enemy vessel, no matter how many ships you bring to do it.
Unless you can provide some evidence as to how the Federation has about a hundred times as much firepower as its been shown to, and detail how they are going to be able to build the infrastucture to build the tools to build the equipment that will upgrade their capabilities in the time required, while simultaneously building up their forces to an extent never seen before in Star Trek, the Empire does in fact get to walk through the wormhole.
