Terri Schiavo has passed away.

Dark Sider · Post by **Dark Sider** » 2005-03-31 10:00am

I don't think there is a link available yet, but it is a blessing to see her go back home.

spikenigma · Post by **spikenigma** » 2005-03-31 10:02am

may she rest in peace...

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2005-03-31 10:04am

Hopefully Michael Schiavo will finally have some peace, too.

Dark Sider · Post by **Dark Sider** » 2005-03-31 10:06am

Linky

Here is the link on MSN. They are pretty quick.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2005-03-31 10:10am

Thank you COurt system for giving this woman peace

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2005-03-31 10:25am

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2005-03-31 10:42am

How is this science, logic or morality?

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2005-03-31 11:25am

This is N&P stuff, and the discussion thread there has been updated to reflect her status.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2005-03-31 01:27pm

HemlockGrey wrote:Hopefully Michael Schiavo will finally have some peace, too.

The fundies will make sure to that.

Post by **Coyote** » 2005-03-31 01:51pm

Alright, so in the ultimate act of irony, the day that Terri Schiavo died after her feeding tube had been extracted (following a bitter, protracted legal battle), the Roman Catholic Church put a feeding tube into Pope John Paul II, whom even the most staunch of Catholics can see is on his last legs.

The legal battles of Terri Schiavo centered around the right to die, quality of life issues, and many other issues about what constitutes "life" as it begins to slow to its inevitable conclusion. Those who sought to keep her alive frequently found themselves centering on religious reasons.

So now, many of those same people who fought to keep people alive no matter what the cost, no matter the obvious lack of function or ability, and extending an unnatural semi-existance will get to watch as the Pope begins his long, slow decline and is kept alive artificially.

The Catholic Church will essentially be rudderless, with no actual Pope sitting, making decrees, giving judgements, holding Mass, doling out blessings. A council of Bishops will act as regents, but since they are not the Pope, the "Vicar of Christ on Earth", their descisions will not be Papally/religiouslly binding, or 'canon'.

What will the religious, especially vehemently Catholic pro-life-at-any-cost types rationalize as their Church goes for, say, the next 10 years with no one truly at the helm? Will it force them to see certain 'stipulations' as necessary? Could the Pope be defrocked while in a coma and his office given to another Bishop? Will the Catholic Church just accept a sort of limbo for the next few years, setting the precedent for more elderly, frail Popes in the future to reign well into quasi-death?

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2005-03-31 02:34pm

Does the Pope have a living will? Has he made his wishes known to the Bishops?

I think he did... he did say he wanted to simply leave it in God's hands. Technically, that could be a wish for no more extreme measures to save his life.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2005-03-31 02:55pm

But he's Catholic!

Civil War Man · Post by **Civil War Man** » 2005-03-31 04:06pm

I am of the opinion (though since I am not a high-ranking Catholic church official, I have no proof), that the bishops and cardinals around JPII have been doing everything they can to keep him the Pope. With the exception of evolution, John Paul's ultraconservative, a stance the higher-ups like (and, when he got old and sickly, made him easier to control). If John Paul were to die, there's no guarantee that the conservatives will be able to hold on to power in the church, which brings about the likelihood that he will be succeeded by a liberal pope (one who supports such "blasphemous" ideas like women priests and allowing priests to get married), so they're trying to keep him alive as long as possible to prevent that from happening.

Of course, I'm just a disillusioned former Catholic with a slight paranoid streak, but I've watched the church die by inches for a long time now and see no one responsible but the people running the show. Hell, even my ultraconservative grandfather thinks Catholicism would be a lot healthier with a lot of the liberal reforms.

Anyway, back on topic, it's nice to know the whole Shiavo thing is finally over with. People don't just get up from 15 years of a vegetative state, so it was well past her time. If I ever ended up in that state, I wouldn't even want to go through the lengthy procedure of pulling the plug. Just hire someone to shoot me in the head or something.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2005-03-31 06:47pm

Rye wrote:How is this science, logic or morality?

That seems pretty obvious doesn't it?

Science would be the evidence backing the case to let her die.

Logic would be the decision to let her die based off that evidence.

Morality would be letting her die based off that evidence.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2005-03-31 07:33pm

Terri Schiavo has been dead for over a decade. Her body has finally ceased to function.

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2005-03-31 09:02pm

Well it's good to know this is all over.
Sad business this death.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2005-03-31 11:12pm

Uraniun235 wrote:Terri Schiavo has been dead for over a decade. Her body has finally ceased to function.

amen

Gogi the Evil · Post by **Gogi the Evil** » 2005-04-01 03:05am

They should have whored her out like the Bride in Kill Bill.

Hobot · Post by **Hobot** » 2005-04-01 03:43am

Gogi the Evil wrote:They should have whored her out like the Bride in Kill Bill.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Sharpshooter · Post by **Sharpshooter** » 2005-04-01 03:54am

Hobot wrote:What the fuck is wrong with you?

This ass has been popping up all over - got kicked (or is a hell of a sockpuppet) and he came back to spite. I'm surprised the Admiral hasn't smitten with the ban hammer - though I'd far prefer an exposure of his ISP to the whole of the world and a good deal of illegal muckery.

Lone_Prodigy · Post by **Lone_Prodigy** » 2005-04-01 03:56am

He's the one who called Lord Wong a "chink" in the HoS. I say we just trace his IP then call his mommy on him.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2005-04-01 05:01am

Did anyone hear what GWB said? And he declared that he would rather "err on the side of life"? Saying that when we are 'unsure'? What the HELL is unsure about it? Her cerebellum was mush! He has the gaul to claim that he is erring on the side of life?

Well

Bush_stupid_comment++;

Is all I have to say to that

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2005-04-01 08:10am

I guess letting her starve to death for 2 weeks was the humane thing to do (unlike a quick lethal injection and get it over with)

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2005-04-01 08:14am

And I might understand why its such big news in the US but why the fuck were they making it such a big deal right here in Belgium? Its not like euthanasia is that uncommon.

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2005-04-01 09:53am

I'm only suprised she went 2 weeks with no water.

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