I realize that it wasn't mean-spirited, but the fact that some kept going with the fact that I was offended by it was mean-spirited.Darth Wong wrote:The "pissing in the holy water" joke was not as mean-spirited as you made it out to be, and I think people tend to react negatively when someone is perceived as being anal about such things.verilon wrote:Maybe yes, I did say that in anger pr haste, but that does not detract that everyone else kept pulling it too far.
Do I shove it in theior faces even though they're offended. Of course not.No. You can't censor yourself because you're afraid of offending people. A lot of people are offended when you come out and say that you're gay; does this mean that you've "gone too far" by saying it? Of course not.I don't. I simply say that when it's gone too far, it's gone too far. And it has, indeed, gone too far. When people begin to get offended, don't you think that it's gone too far.
Haven't we already disproven that policy several times?The Catholic Church's official policy on gays in the clergy is not enough of a statement for you?Okay, I give you the fascist one....sorta...the Catholic system is more feudalist than anything. I'd like you to show me one statement where he "gay-bashes."
He didn't say that He thought men were better, though, just that his Apostles were men."Christ called as his Apostles only men. He did this in a totally free and sovereign way."- John Paul II. JP2 wants us to believe that Jesus likes men better (of course, that might mean that Jesus was gay, but I don't think that's what JP2 was trying to say).Catholic != Protestant. What religion isn't intolerant? I'd like you to show me a sexist comment from HIS mouth (no sthird-hand sources).
It seemed that way in context, yes, because you said that you singled out Catholicism. But I knoe you have a thing against every religion.None, which is why I oppose that element of Christianity wherever I find it. At no point did I say this was unique to Catholicism; you seem to be under the mistaken impression that I have a problem with Catholics but not Protestants.What Christian group (aside form Unitarian) isn't Christian-supremacist.
You've got me there.A statement has implications on its own, regardless of what its author may have in his head. If he doesn't want those implications identified, he should be more careful with his wording.You're picking apart my arguement like you know what I mean,. like you know the implications. And I would like to formally ask you to tone down the language. I hereby apologize for mine.
As for the language, I was also the better person and apologized for it.As for the language, you are the one who made this personal, remember?
You are telling me that I have some sort of Wall of Ignorance--which I do. But you as well have one (you have to admit that--we all do). But you are telling me that I am unwilling to bend to see your point--which I am not. I see your point clearly. But I am also a recent non-Catholic. What religion I am doesn't matter because you will take it down just as readily. But I am not atheist. You go around "Evangelizing" just as much as any Christian does, trying to "convert" "them" to atheism. I digress.I was talking about the Catholic church, not you. But you turned this into a personal attack, ranting that you'd "lost respect" for me because I was saying such horrible things (and when I show that these statements are reasonable and unbigoted, you retort that people might find them offensive anyway, as if I should care).
And sometimes, you should care. I dunno what it is, but as much as I can't stand my family, I have this weird "need" to defend them. That hurt for you to associate the Pope with the KKK....he is dignified, at the very least. And I think any good leader should deserve SOME respect form everyone, even if they be the leader of a "cult," as I am sure you think of it as. He has been Pope longer than most of us have been alive, and many people look up to him for different reasons. Sometimes quotes are even taken from him for the smallest reasons. *shrug* but you don't care, it's just my opinion. It doesn't matter to you. No one's does, except yours and your families.
Yes, I would be better sleeping on it, and yes, an emotional reaction has overcome my judgement. But in my position (which you will obviously not step into), whose wouldn't?I don't know what your problem is, but you obviously have some kind of emotional reaction here which is clouding your better judgement, and you would be better off sleeping on this than continuing to act like a jack-ass.
*shrug*
