Attention all Aussies: Ep 3 ICS/VS/novelization tommorow

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2005-04-02 07:32pm

Lone_Prodigy wrote:Wait a second, is it true that this ICS has no firepower numbers?

Nope, but as said earlier, there are 'quantifications' like how much Hypermatter is consumed in a second by the reactors and vague references to power like 'can blast-melt an ice moon' type thing.

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-04-02 07:50pm

(remembers Super Battle Droid smashing up a regular Battle Droid in its way) Somehow I doubt the droids' programming cares much about friendly fire.

The droid was knocked over because it had been damaged immediately beforehand.

Grandmaster Jogurt · Post by **Grandmaster Jogurt** » 2005-04-02 08:17pm

Knife wrote:
Lone_Prodigy wrote:Wait a second, is it true that this ICS has no firepower numbers?
Nope, but as said earlier, there are 'quantifications' like how much Hypermatter is consumed in a second by the reactors and vague references to power like 'can blast-melt an ice moon' type thing.

There's also at least one "traditional" quantification, on the Invisible Hand page:

ICS wrote:Point-defense ion cannon delivers as much heat per shot as a 4.8 megaton bomb

The Original Nex · Post by **The Original Nex** » 2005-04-02 10:59pm

Firefox wrote:
(remembers Super Battle Droid smashing up a regular Battle Droid in its way) Somehow I doubt the droids' programming cares much about friendly fire.
The droid was knocked over because it had been damaged immediately beforehand.

It was damaged by fire from a SBD behind it. Friendly Fire.

Lone_Prodigy · Post by **Lone_Prodigy** » 2005-04-02 11:56pm

Grandmaster Jogurt wrote:
Knife wrote:
Lone_Prodigy wrote:Wait a second, is it true that this ICS has no firepower numbers?
Nope, but as said earlier, there are 'quantifications' like how much Hypermatter is consumed in a second by the reactors and vague references to power like 'can blast-melt an ice moon' type thing.
There's also at least one "traditional" quantification, on the Invisible Hand page:

ICS wrote:Point-defense ion cannon delivers as much heat per shot as a 4.8 megaton bomb

Yummy.

Too bad we didn't get some nice teraton HTL figures, though...

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-04-03 12:00am

I'm not too worried about it, especially with the statement on the same page concerning Invisible Hand's ability to melt the upper crust of Humbarine in an hour. Considering she's still smaller than an Imperator class, that's saying something.

Lone_Prodigy · Post by **Lone_Prodigy** » 2005-04-03 12:35am

Firefox wrote:I'm not too worried about it, especially with the statement on the same page concerning Invisible Hand's ability to melt the upper crust of Humbarine in an hour. Considering she's still smaller than an Imperator class, that's saying something.

Damn, I wish I had the ICS.....

Damn US release date...

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-04-03 12:41am

Er...unless you're not actually in California, you should be fine. How else do you think I got it today? *Points to his location*

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2005-04-03 01:01am

Lone_Prodigy wrote:
Firefox wrote:I'm not too worried about it, especially with the statement on the same page concerning Invisible Hand's ability to melt the upper crust of Humbarine in an hour. Considering she's still smaller than an Imperator class, that's saying something.
Damn, I wish I had the ICS..... Damn US release date...

Umm, I picked mine up today.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2005-04-03 03:59am

Sea Skimmer wrote:Its possible the driod AI was programmed in such a way that they where all concerned about friendly fire, that would be a rather huge issue with all sides of a circle firing inward, and thus they all fired very slowly. Heck in most shots most driod's aren't firing at all.

Thats actualy an interesting idea. Especialy if you take the SBD punching the normal BD as programing to ignore and disregard damaged or destroyed droids. You can understand that the programers wouldn't want them to see damaged or destroyed droids as friendlies and ignore them, you can see rapidly how it might lead to problems. And you also don't want them to spray without care for other droids, otherwise the Jedi with a little creative manouvering and speed might be able to get droids to kill themselves enmass.

So that might explain why the droids were only taking short aimed shots, except when they had a clear lock, perhaps at a targets back, then they fire a quick full auto burst.

Lone_Prodigy · Post by **Lone_Prodigy** » 2005-04-03 05:13am

Knife wrote:Umm, I picked mine up today.

Yeah, but all of the bookstores in my area don't have it yet. Screw this, I'm using Amazon from now on.

Hardy · Post by **Hardy** » 2005-04-03 10:57am

Knowing the annihilation rate and the accelerative capabilities of the Venator and supposing that it uses near-c particles to propell itself, is it possible to estimate the mass of the ship, and therefore roughly estimate the density of its armor and/or fuel?

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-04-03 11:13am

The Original Nex wrote:It was damaged by fire from a SBD behind it. Friendly Fire.

It looked like it was damaged from a reflected bolt. The SBD's firing arm is visible to the BD's right.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2005-04-03 02:11pm

Hardy wrote:Knowing the annihilation rate and the accelerative capabilities of the Venator and supposing that it uses near-c particles to propell itself, is it possible to estimate the mass of the ship, and therefore roughly estimate the density of its armor and/or fuel?

Yup. And you don't have to assume about the bit about near-c parrticl;es.. its stated numerous times in the book.

So all you gotta do is figure out the volume of the starships, some mass.. and voila, you can figure out power generation. Don't forget to compensate for the fuel supply as well (orders of magnitude denser than the ship's bulk) when doing it.

Hardy · Post by **Hardy** » 2005-04-03 03:42pm

Connor MacLeod wrote:
Hardy wrote:Knowing the annihilation rate and the accelerative capabilities of the Venator and supposing that it uses near-c particles to propell itself, is it possible to estimate the mass of the ship, and therefore roughly estimate the density of its armor and/or fuel?
Yup. And you don't have to assume about the bit about near-c parrticl;es.. its stated numerous times in the book.

Good. My most rudimentary calculation would suggest a mass of 400 million tonnes. I think this might be the dry mass or something like that. That corresponds to a mean density of about 20,000 kg/m³ if the Venator is a pyramid 1100 m by 100 m by 550 m. If I knew a little more about the air requirements of a human being, I could estimate how much of this space is air.

So all you gotta do is figure out the volume of the starships, some mass.. and voila, you can figure out power generation. Don't forget to compensate for the fuel supply as well (orders of magnitude denser than the ship's bulk) when doing it.

I'd need the actual ICS in front of me to get good dimensional data to accurately estimate of the size of the fuel tanks and thus the mass/density of the fuel.

The Original Nex · Post by **The Original Nex** » 2005-04-03 05:09pm

Firefox wrote:
The Original Nex wrote:It was damaged by fire from a SBD behind it. Friendly Fire.
It looked like it was damaged from a reflected bolt. The SBD's firing arm is visible to the BD's right.

Oh, I thought it was a through-and through shot from behind. It sounded like a SBD repeating blaster cutting out as we see several holes melted through the BDs chest. Then a SBD knocks the droid down and commences firing his RB.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-04-04 06:44am

Lone_Prodigy wrote:
Knife wrote:Umm, I picked mine up today.
Yeah, but all of the bookstores in my area don't have it yet. Screw this, I'm using Amazon from now on.

Good luck. I tried browsing through a few days ago and couldn't find it listed.

EDIT: Shit, nevermind. I just did...

Lone_Prodigy · Post by **Lone_Prodigy** » 2005-04-04 10:11am

Yesterday when I hopelessly went to Borders, I discovered a nice big display table with dozens of copies of RotS, ICS, and VD. I have regained my faith in the system (for now)!