What if Leia had arrived on Tatooine?

darthnidankendo · Post by **darthnidankendo** » 2005-04-05 01:32pm

If Leia had being able to arrive in Tatooine would have Obi-Wan seeked out Luke and taken him out of the farm. Or would have he just takken up with her and trained her instead.

There has been evidence of Leia being somewhat in tune with the force since ANH. After she has been "mind-probed", Vader and Tarking are speaking af there next course of action and Vader says, "She is conciderably resistant to the mind probe".

Now i know this is little evidence, but in the oiriginal audition readings for the part of Luke the dialog was a bit different. Luke says: "They won't be able to get any information out of her, she belongs to the royal family. The know the art of mind control".

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-04-05 01:33pm

I hate these threads...

White Haven · Post by **White Haven** » 2005-04-05 01:45pm

Eh...that's a good question, but we know that Obi-Wan knows of Luke's existence, and still has his father's lightsaber for him, so I'd gamble on him picking Luke up on the way outta town. And Spanky, if you don't like the fucking thread, JUST SHUT UP!

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2005-04-05 01:59pm

White Haven wrote:Eh...that's a good question, but we know that Obi-Wan knows of Luke's existence, and still has his father's lightsaber for him, so I'd gamble on him picking Luke up on the way outta town.

Unless he has to leave Tatooine fast,then he won't have time to pick up Luke.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-04-05 02:02pm

Yes. But he'd pick up Luke if possible. Luke has the higher force aptitude AFAIK.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2005-04-05 02:38pm

NecronLord wrote:Yes. But he'd pick up Luke if possible. Luke has the higher force aptitude AFAIK.

There's ne reeal evidence that Luke has higher force potential than Leia. From what I get they would be equal seeing as how either one is a threat to the Emperor.

So Iwould say that Leia would have a somewhat similar life that Luke had in the movies.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2005-04-05 02:52pm

THEHOOLIGANJEDI wrote:
NecronLord wrote:Yes. But he'd pick up Luke if possible. Luke has the higher force aptitude AFAIK.
There's ne reeal evidence that Luke has higher force potential than Leia. From what I get they would be equal seeing as how either one is a threat to the Emperor.

So Iwould say that Leia would have a somewhat similar life that Luke had in the movies.

Wouldn't it have been easier to train Leia in secret on Alderaan? Considering that her dad was able to run guns and money for the alliance from Alderaan why not have Obi Wan there training her.

Or

Obi Wan could have trained Luke on Tatooine. It always seemed to me that the problem with Anakin is that he was trained too old to be a Jedi. So what does Obi Wan and Yoda do? Train Luke even older than Anakin was trained.

Cykeisme · Post by **Cykeisme** » 2005-04-05 03:04pm

Now that you guys bring it up, it does seem curious that Obi-Wan and Yoda don't start training Luke and/or Leia from infancy. Do consider the outcome if both Luke and Leia had begun simultaneous secret training at an early age.

Perhaps the reasons why the two surviving Jedi Masters did things the way they did will become evident in RoTS.. perhaps it will not. We'll see.

Edit: Additionally, Anakin's fall to the Dark Side of the Force could be attributed in part to the late age at which he was accepted by the Jedi Order. Although Luke evidently resisted the temptation of the Dark Side, wasn't it tempting fate to start training him so late? If he had turned, I think it's safe to say that Sith rule over the galaxy would have continued.. indefinitely.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2005-04-05 03:13pm

Cykeisme wrote:Now that you guys bring it up, it does seem curious that Obi-Wan and Yoda don't start training Luke and/or Leia from infancy. Do consider the outcome if both Luke and Leia had begun simultaneous secret training at an early age.

Perhaps the reasons why the two surviving Jedi Masters did things the way they did will become evident in RoTS.. perhaps it will not. We'll see.

Edit: Additionally, Anakin's fall to the Dark Side of the Force could be attributed in part to the late age at which he was accepted by the Jedi Order. Although Luke evidently resisted the temptation of the Dark Side, wasn't it tempting fate to start training him so late? If he had turned, I think it's safe to say that Sith rule over the galaxy would have continued.. indefinitely.

Dokuu was trained at the accepted age in the Jedi order,and still join the dark side.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2005-04-05 03:14pm

Cykeisme wrote: Although Luke evidently resisted the temptation of the Dark Side, wasn't it tempting fate to start training him so late? If he had turned, I think it's safe to say that Sith rule over the galaxy would have continued.. indefinitely.

Or it could have spawned a never ending fanfic.

darthnidankendo · Post by **darthnidankendo** » 2005-04-05 03:30pm

Cykeisme wrote:Now that you guys bring it up, it does seem curious that Obi-Wan and Yoda don't start training Luke and/or Leia from infancy. Do consider the outcome if both Luke and Leia had begun simultaneous secret training at an early age.

Perhaps the reasons why the two surviving Jedi Masters did things the way they did will become evident in RoTS.. perhaps it will not. We'll see.

Edit: Additionally, Anakin's fall to the Dark Side of the Force could be attributed in part to the late age at which he was accepted by the Jedi Order. Although Luke evidently resisted the temptation of the Dark Side, wasn't it tempting fate to start training him so late? If he had turned, I think it's safe to say that Sith rule over the galaxy would have continued.. indefinitely.

I think that both Obi-Wan and Yoda knew that if they began Luke's and Leia's training the Emperor would have felt the ripple in the force. Remember the moment that Luke arrived on Dagoba and began hios training, the emperor sensed it throught the force and so did Vader, acording to their conversations in ESB.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-04-05 03:32pm

Cykeisme wrote:Although Luke evidently resisted the temptation of the Dark Side, wasn't it tempting fate to start training him so late?

The answer is no. RotS spoilers away:

Luke was better able to resist the Dark Side precisely because he had lived a normal life prior to becoming a Jedi. Jedi of the old order are essentially cast in a mould, and easily manipulated because of that.

Training them young is why the Jedi were so useless against the Sith. When you took away being a Jedi, they had no personality left, and were easily manipulated by Lord Sidious. These people never made a choice to be a jedi, and this is why they could neither understand nor relate to Anakin.

The younglings policy was also responsible for the decree to which the jedi were set in their ways, and only able to fight the last Sith Wars, not able to counter Lord Sidious, whose techniques had been refined by generations of Sith to the point where the Jedi could neither detect nor counter him.

The way Qui-Gon is treated as an outcast is also a symptom of the general stagnation in the Jedi order created by this practice. Qui-Gon was in many ways a superior Jedi Master to even Yoda - he taught Yoda how to become one with the force - because he actually thought for himself, instead of learning thousand year out of date jedi lore by rote.

The error of the space Jesuit policy was also a part of the reason behind (pre-Sith) Dooku's disenchantment with the Jedi Order, 'Every jedi is a child someone decided they could live without.' In communities that produce high numbers of force adepts, Jedi are known and feared as baby stealers for chrissakes.

A jedi order like Luke's, that takes its students as young adults is far superior to the traditional Jedi Order and would probably have defeated Sidious as well as serving Anakin Skywalker and Count Dooku far better.

Civil War Man · Post by **Civil War Man** » 2005-04-05 03:36pm

Cykeisme wrote:Although Luke evidently resisted the temptation of the Dark Side, wasn't it tempting fate to start training him so late?

In the end he resisted. At the beginning of ROTJ he was, at best, really sketchy. Luke was obviously angry during his fight with Vader in ESB, and may have eventually fallen had Vader not snapped first. At the beginning of ROTJ he Force chokes Jabba's guards (they survive, but Force choking is still dark). At the end of ROTJ Luke snaps first. He very definitely almost fell at that point, but he was just barely able to realize what he was doing at the end.

White Haven · Post by **White Haven** » 2005-04-05 03:59pm

I always interpretted Luke's handling of Jabba's piggies to be more of a 'Force Love-Tap To The Carotid' to get them out of the way, rather than anything close to crushing their trachea.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2005-04-05 04:58pm

The problem is Luke did eventually fall to the Dark Side, if only briefly. In later EU Mara Jade points out to him that his evtire Jedi life has been a touch Dark.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2005-04-05 04:59pm

Would Obi-wan REALLY have taken the risk of having Leia and Luke and him in the same place at once?

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2005-04-05 05:15pm

Lord Pounder wrote:The problem is Luke did eventually fall to the Dark Side, if only briefly. In later EU Mara Jade points out to him that his evtire Jedi life has been a touch Dark.

No, this only starts with his visit to Byss.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2005-04-05 06:00pm

Praxis wrote:Would Obi-wan REALLY have taken the risk of having Leia and Luke and him in the same place at once?

Why not? What if Obi-wan had died before he could properly train ONE of them? Funny, guess what happened...

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2005-04-05 06:17pm

Stofsk wrote:
Praxis wrote:Would Obi-wan REALLY have taken the risk of having Leia and Luke and him in the same place at once?
Why not? What if Obi-wan had died before he could properly train ONE of them? Funny, guess what happened...

And what if Vader intercepts the Tantive IV, and gets both of them AND Obi-wan?

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2005-04-05 06:23pm

Don't construct a false dilemma; that's what happened anyway.

Indeed, had they not been separated at birth there would not have BEEN an interception of the Tantive IV, because Leia would never have been in a position to be onboard that vessel in the first place.

It doesn't matter anyway; Necronlord pointed out something I never considered before, and it makes sense.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2005-04-05 11:11pm

Stofsk wrote:Don't construct a false dilemma; that's what happened anyway.

Indeed, had they not been separated at birth there would not have BEEN an interception of the Tantive IV, because Leia would never have been in a position to be onboard that vessel in the first place.

Unless Obi Wan left the twins on either Tatooine where they'd grow without ever knowing they have Jedi ability,or on Alderaan.

darthnidankendo · Post by **darthnidankendo** » 2005-04-06 10:44am

Praxis wrote:Would Obi-wan REALLY have taken the risk of having Leia and Luke and him in the same place at once?

I don't think that would have been a good idea. i guess that would be like putting all your eggs in one basket.

CJvR · Post by **CJvR** » 2005-04-06 12:47pm

An intresting thought, was Leia sent to Obi-wan to be trained? Ben's first action when he get the message is to try and draft the spare Skywalker.

darthnidankendo · Post by **darthnidankendo** » 2005-04-06 12:51pm

CJvR wrote:An intresting thought, was Leia sent to Obi-wan to be trained? Ben's first action when he get the message is to try and draft the spare Skywalker.

Your right that is something i hadn't thought about. I had just gone under the impression that she was going to get him so he could help in some way.

Setesh · Post by **Setesh** » 2005-04-06 12:56pm

CJvR wrote:An intresting thought, was Leia sent to Obi-wan to be trained? Ben's first action when he get the message is to try and draft the spare Skywalker.

Of course not training her might have been Obi or yoda's idea, consider they are capable of limited precognition and Leia has daddies temper. She got pissed a lot quicker and stayed that way longer. Her reaction to the 'I am your Father' speech might have been more unpredictable.