Complete novelization analysis- spoilers

[Dorsk 81]

That's a bit of a red herring. Out of all those quadrillions, how many would be capable of being heir to Palpys power? How many are even Force sensetive? Only 10,000 (iirc) became Jedi, ok, 10,000 is still a fair few to chose from, but it's a hell of alot less than quadrillions.

But at least we get canon info on planetary populations.

I think that's the real value of this statement.

I'm not so sure, I mean, yes, it does say "there're alot of people in the galaxy, and a shit load on Coruscant", but I don't think that's it's sole purpose. I mean, we got a rough idea of the amount of people that could live on Coruscant in Star By Star when it was evacuated, although, it was knocked down and rebuilt, so I guess there's a bit of a now-and-then comparison.

I think it alot of it is pretty much Palpy pandering to Anakins ego, telling him Plapy chose him out of quadrillions, he's already the Chosen One and now he's Palpys chosen one too. If that makes sense to anyone else.

[Darth Servo]

But at least we get canon info on planetary populations.

I think that's the real value of this statement.

I'm not so sure, I mean, yes, it does say "there're alot of people in the galaxy, and a shit load on Coruscant", but I don't think that's it's sole purpose. I mean, we got a rough idea of the amount of people that could live on Coruscant in Star By Star when it was evacuated, although, it was knocked down and rebuilt, so I guess there's a bit of a now-and-then comparison.

I think it alot of it is pretty much Palpy pandering to Anakins ego, telling him Plapy chose him out of quadrillions, he's already the Chosen One and now he's Palpys chosen one too. If that makes sense to anyone else.

Who cares what the intended purpose was? We STILL get a canon statement on the population of Coruscant and its a lot higher than what some Trekkies have proposed.

[The Original Nex]

And an American Trillion is still waaaaay too low for Coruscant's population.

[FTeik]

The conference room door was closed. A barrier so paltry would be an insult to the blade; a black-gloved hand made a fist. The door crumpled and fell.

The Sith Lord stepped over it.

Computers & Androids: Anakin's droid arm is strong enough to punch out a door.

Is Anakin using the force or his arm? To me it isn't clear from the quote.

[Hardy]

And an American Trillion is still waaaaay too low for Coruscant's population.

According to another PhD (see here and here. Yes, it's a webcomic, but that shouldn't detract from its validity), a population of 1E14 (a lot less than a European trillion) would be too much of a thermodynamics and logistics problem to be plausible.

1E12 people seems a bit reasonable to me, though.

[Stark]

According to another PhD (see here and here. Yes, it's a webcomic, but that shouldn't detract from its validity), a population of 1E14 (a lot less than a European trillion) would be too much of a thermodynamics and logistics problem to be plausible.

1E12 people seems a bit reasonable to me, though.

We've all seen the thermodynamic argument before. It doesn't stand up, given the enourmous amount of waste heat a SW-level society would have to artificially dump ANYWAY. And the logistics issue is overblown: that cloud of ships around Coruscant is there for a reason - millions and millions of them.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Yes, its a foregone conclusion that heat must be somehow technologically pumped off the planet.

Anyhow, one trillion is a major underestimation. It ought to be at least hundreds of trillions or even a quadrillion or so.

[Vympel]

Is Anakin using the force or his arm? To me it isn't clear from the quote.

His droid arm- its the only one that he has a glove over.

[Grandmaster Jogurt]

Is Anakin using the force or his arm? To me it isn't clear from the quote.

His droid arm- its the only one that he has a glove over.

I think he's asking whether or not it was simply a punch that brought down the door, or a Force-assisted punch, or even just the Force period.

While punching is implied by the "fist" part of that exerpt, it is a bit vague.

[Hardy]

We've all seen the thermodynamic argument before. It doesn't stand up, given the enourmous amount of waste heat a SW-level society would have to artificially dump ANYWAY.

So, are you saying that because high-energy technology like the Death Star or even a common Star Destroyer exists, it's implied that there must be a highly efficient, yet unseen, method of disposing of waste heat? I'm willing to buy this, considering that the Death Star could produce more energy than a star could in ten thousand years, yet still not have any members of the crew even break a sweat.

I remain skeptical, however.

And the logistics issue is overblown: that cloud of ships around Coruscant is there for a reason - millions and millions of them.

Of course. With the capabilities of the SW universe, I really don't have much of a doubt that the logistics problems can be solved.

Come to think of it, a 1E12 population could be consistent with the onscreen population density if you reduce Coruscant to about the size of Mars (~3000 km radius) and increase its mean density to 12,000 kg/m³.
EDIT: 12,000 kg/m³ is a bit implausible, so if my assumption holds, Coruscant could have lower surface gravity than Earth, thus explaining kilometer-high buildings and other things.

[Illuminatus Primus]

No, Coruscant's been verified to be significantly larger than Earth. 1e14-1e15

[Hardy]

No, Coruscant's been verified to be significantly larger than Earth. 1e14-1e15

From what source? WEG figures, or something newer?

[Illuminatus Primus]

Saxton's analysis and WEG I believe.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

1E14-15 in what?

[Illuminatus Primus]

You don't understand scientific notation?

1e9 = 1 x 10^9 = 1 billion

1e12 = 1 x 10^12 = 1 trillion

1e14 = 1 x 10^14 = 100 trillion

1e15 = 1 x 10^15 = 1 quadrillion

[Grandmaster Jogurt]

1E14-15 in what?

Population, I believe. Just a reiteration.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

You don't understand scientific notation?

1e9 = 1 x 10^9 = 1 billion

1e12 = 1 x 10^12 = 1 trillion

1e14 = 1 x 10^14 = 100 trillion

1e15 = 1 x 10^15 = 1 quadrillion

Of course I do, but you shouldn't just state numbers while dropping off connected concepts. I'm personally sort of dense in those regards. For a moment I thought you meant actual planetary size...

I realise now that you mean population, but it shouldn't hurt to itterate that in the first place.

[Ekiqa]

No, Coruscant's been verified to be significantly larger than Earth. 1e14-1e15

To support Spanky, the numbers are a total non sequitur.

How much larger in size is Coruscant than Earth?

[Hardy]

Saxton's analysis and WEG I believe.

Ah. "Verified" wouldn't be the appropriate word if we're dealing with WEG figures. Despite the fact that my estimate is based on G and C level canon, his analysis would deserve more merit as it's based more on solid figures.

But a relatively small Coruscant shouldn't be ruled out, IMHO.

If the population is in the quadrillions or hundred-trillions, why would Palpatine state a figure orders of magnitude less that the actual figure?

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Because authors fuck up, tow the line, or don't realise the reality of situations.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Because the EU authors are pussies and keep repeating the unbelievable miniscule number. I strongly suggest you look through Saxton's analysis before challenging it here. Its considered the "standard" view here and you ought to know it inside and ought before proposing an alternative you think works better.

[Grandmaster Jogurt]

If the population is in the quadrillions or hundred-trillions, why would Palpatine state a figure orders of magnitude less that the actual figure?

It could be rationalized in-universe that after you start getting into numbers that high, people start paying a lot less attention to how close they are.

And "trillion" seems, to me, to roll off the tongue a lot more easily than "hundred-trillion" or "quadrillion".

[Spanky The Dolphin]

And keep in mind that American (short scale) notation is used. European (long scale) notation has been pretty much dead throughout the world for the last 30 years except by malcontents and morons who don't know any better.

[Hardy]

Because the EU authors are pussies and keep repeating the unbelievably miniscule number.

Understood. With the problems in plausibility of an unimaginably immense population solved for me, I see no reason to continue to support the 1E12 figure.

I strongly suggest you look through Saxton's analysis before challenging it here. Its considered the "standard" view here and you ought to know it inside and out before proposing an alternative you think works better.

Just for the record, I am quite familiar with Dr. Saxton's site and I do respect and totally agree with your view on its validity. But I should be more careful in the future.

Lesson learned.

It could be rationalized in-universe that after you start getting into numbers that high, people start paying a lot less attention to how close they are.

And "trillion" seems, to me, to roll off the tongue a lot more easily than "hundred-trillion" or "quadrillion".

The latter explaination seems to work better as an in-universe one.

[Alexus]

Pardon the guy from the birthplace of the American language, but how does American short-scale notation go?