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sun creates antimatter

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Kind of old but didn't see topic posted before. Seems the sun creates antimatter
Antimatter has tremendous energy potential, if it could ever be harnessed. A solar flare in July 2002 created about a pound of antimatter, or half a kilo, according to new NASA-led research. That's enough to power the United States for two days
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/a ... 30929.html

Even though it makes sense never realized it.
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Interesting. I never really thought antimatter existed defintively in real life; I only encountered the word in Sci Fi.
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General Brock wrote:Interesting. I never really thought antimatter existed defintively in real life; I only encountered the word in Sci Fi.
Not only does it exist, but scientists have managed to create VERY small amounts.
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That's really an old thing.
And because its related to the topic of antimatter some nice link/articles about Antimatter propulsion and production:
http://www.silentthunder.de/temp/nasa_anti.pdf
http://info.web.cern.ch/Press/PressRele ... cheme.html
http://livefromcern.web.cern.ch/livefro ... ory01.html

@General Brock
You really scare me. :shock:
Recently i've asked some of my fellow students about antimatter.
Some even didnt know that it exists and some thought i just made a joke.
That scared me even more :shock: :?
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Well, I like to think I am educated, with passable science knowledge. I've read about antimatter in Sci Fi and, I think, in Discover Mag a couple of times, dealing with theoretical techs. I might even have skimmed it in a physics text in HS; I just forgot, or it never stuck, as something real, as opposed to something hypothetical.

So, between not being a physics buff, and the predominant exposure coming from lots of Sci Fi and very little pop sci, I got the wrong impression as to the realness of antimatter. :oops:

I never thought transporter tech or phasers could be real; I suppose the suspension of belief wires got crossed along the way with antimatter as well.
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Antares wrote:That's really an old thing.
And because its related to the topic of antimatter some nice link/articles about Antimatter propulsion and production:
http://www.silentthunder.de/temp/nasa_anti.pdf
http://info.web.cern.ch/Press/PressRele ... cheme.html
http://livefromcern.web.cern.ch/livefro ... ory01.html
Nice links they should come in handy for my research paper
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If you want to write something scientific about antimatter and you already dont know about it, you should add some explanation how antimatter differs from matter. Here are some links with simple information about the particle zoo:

http://www.starlight-pub.com/Matter/Par ... aller.html
http://www.starlight-pub.com/Matter/NatureofMatter.html

http://www.friesian.com/particle.htm
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Yes, very useful links indeed, thanx.
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General Brock wrote:Interesting. I never really thought antimatter existed defintively in real life; I only encountered the word in Sci Fi.
E=mc^2

Solving for m;

m=E/(c^2)

As I uderstand the 'm' will be in the form of anti-matter, and not matter.*



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General Brock wrote:Interesting. I never really thought antimatter existed defintively in real life; I only encountered the word in Sci Fi.
Try spending some time with a cloud chamber.
If it has a magnet, and you are lucky, you might see an electron-antielectron pair (two traces that start at the same point and spiral quickly in opposite directions).

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If memory serves, antimatter's been spotted as it's emitted from AGN jets. If that's the case, this discovery's not too surprising, considering the energy involved.

As the article notes, a/m is used in medical diagnostic technology. I wonder if we'd be able to eventually create enough for power generation, though a lot of power is needed to create appreciable amounts, IIRC. Assuming the engineers responsible for running the power plants are more competent than SF engineers, anyway.
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Crown wrote:E=mc^2

Solving for m;

m=E/(c^2)

As I uderstand the 'm' will be in the form of anti-matter, and not matter.*

*Source; Millennial Project
No, it will be 50% matter and 50% anti-matter, in order to preserve charge. That's how I understood it, anyhow. And I heard that there was some assymmetry too, so it won't be exactly 50%, which would be reason as to why there seem to be much more matter than antimatter in the universe today.
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there's an alternate explanation that there is equal amounts of m & am, but the reaction pressure drives the two apart as soon as they meet.

Kind of like how a drop of water will skitter over the surface of a very hot skillet instead of vaporizing instantly.
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Matt Huang wrote:there's an alternate explanation that there is equal amounts of m & am, but the reaction pressure drives the two apart as soon as they meet. Kind of like how a drop of water will skitter over the surface of a very hot skillet instead of vaporizing instantly.
The Leidenfrost effect may be neat, but it can't really account for this in an isotropic universe. It may work if there is some sort of preference in direction or some other reactive asymmetry in the iteraction of matter and anti-matter; otherwise both matter and antimatter would be subject to the same effect, so on the large scale, they would cancel out. I guess the only thing that can be said is that if there is no asymettry in antimatter production, then there must be some other asymmetry that explains this (in how they react, non-isotropy of the universe, etc.). It may be too hasty to dismiss those possibilities automatically (there are string theories that have built-in directional preference in regards to the speed of light, for example, and are not completely isotropic, but I'm uncertain how this would affect matter/antimatter reactions), but they are still quite a bit uglier as solutions.
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The sun produces anti-matter as part of fusion: a pair of positrons are given out (anti-beta radiation?) during the process.

Near the Galactic Core, the Great Annihilator spews out positrons by the bucketload and sounds like a B-movie villain.

We've made quite a few anti-protons, positrons and assorted weird anti-stuff (anti-neutrinos etc.) but only about 11 atoms of anti-hydrogen as I recall. It's real, but not in huge amounts.
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Thanks for the clarification Dooey Jo and Vanas. :wink:
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Vanas wrote:The sun produces anti-matter as part of fusion: a pair of positrons are given out (anti-beta radiation?) during the process.
Solar flares are also creating a "lot" of anti matter of several hundreds of gramms:
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/a ... 30929.html
We've made quite a few anti-protons, positrons and assorted weird anti-stuff (anti-neutrinos etc.) but only about 11 atoms of anti-hydrogen as I recall. It's real, but not in huge amounts.
We have synthesizes much more than that.
Quote from page 9 section "Antimatter Production Capability":
http://www.silentthunder.de/temp/NASA_anti.pdf
During a year-long period between 1997 and 1998, FNAL produced 1 ng of antiprotons.
This was done in the midst of a very large experimental program which did not have sufficient
funds to run 24 hours per day, 365 days per year. The instantaneous production rates were
around 10E11 antiprotons/hour, so a full year of operation would have produced 8.8 x 10E14
antiprotons.
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