[Scrubula]Battle Droids vs Federation (in ground combat)

[Antares]

What is superdense, just for imagination
Above 20 g/cm^3 or something?
Or even above Iridium/Osmium density?

[NecronLord]

Starship armour is neutronium impregnated.

Pretty much says it all in terms of density.

[NecronLord]

Put another way. IG-88, a relative of General Grievous' Magnaguards, weighed several tons by the time of TESB.

[Antares]

Well.. if the armor of B1 are based on this as well, then the droid needs some kind of repulsor lift/anti-gravity stuff to lower the weight, otherwise it would immediatelly sink. I mean neutronium got a density of 1E12-1E15 g/cm^3...
But if the droid uses some technology to lower its weight why is it running on legs then? Why not just hovering then?

I dont think that more than 5 N/cm^2 of ground pressure is feasible for an infantry robot. Thus i argue that an B1 weight (not mass !) must be equal or less than 150kg with 300cm^2 for a single foot.

somebody got a nice pictue of a B1 foot handy?
Is there a scene where a damaged/destroyed B1
is moved by bare hands?

[Darth Fanboy]

not by human hands. Jar Jar whips one around in TPM though.

[NecronLord]

Repulsorlift jamming tech exists in SW, but legged vehicles are immune to it.

[Gunhead]

I don't think the B1 droids are that heavy. In TPM when Qui-Gon and Obiwan save Amidala, Qui-Gon force pushes two droids backwards. One of them hits a brick wall behind it without causing any visible damage to the wall.

I also don't think the B1's are really armored to take direct hits from blasters. Their shell would of course work as light armor as it is made of metal. The thing is, even light armor that would help against secondary impacts from SW weapons, could be too tough for phasors.

-Gunhead

[Civil War Man]

not by human hands. Jar Jar whips one around in TPM though.

Which, unfortunately, is not a good comparison, as Gungans (even Jar Jar) are supposed to possess much more physical strength than an average human, IIRC.

[Darth Fanboy]

not by human hands. Jar Jar whips one around in TPM though.

Which, unfortunately, is not a good comparison, as Gungans (even Jar Jar) are supposed to possess much more physical strength than an average human, IIRC.

Yes, I know this, but its the only example I can think of. Hey perhaps if you get some stills from the dvds in that scene might get some good shots of droid foot tho.

[Antares]

Repulsorlift jamming tech exists in SW, but legged vehicles are immune to it.

Ah, ok
Then it makes sense.
But the ground pressure issue is still there then.

[wautd]

but who says that those will have the same density like todays armor.

I do. Blaser resistant armour in SW is super-dense.

hmm might explains why there was no visual damage when a B1 got hit by an E-11

[Lancer]

but who says that those will have the same density like todays armor.

I do. Blaser resistant armour in SW is super-dense.

hmm might explains why there was no visual damage when a B1 got hit by an E-11

variable power settings.

blaster bolts that took out B1's (and that the B1s shot) barely caused scorchmarks on masonry compared to the blasting out chunks that Han Solo's DL-44 does in the OT.

[Lord Revan]

If ask me I think that B1 similar object made of steel (so weight probaly several hundred kilograms (at least over hundred))

[NecronLord]

hmm might explains why there was no visual damage when a B1 got hit by an E-11

B1? E-11? When did those two meet?

[Lord Revan]

hmm might explains why there was no visual damage when a B1 got hit by an E-11

B1? E-11? When did those two meet?

he probaly mistook the carbine DC-15, the droid blaster or the Naboo Security Force blaster for the E-11

[wautd]

hmm might explains why there was no visual damage when a B1 got hit by an E-11

B1? E-11? When did those two meet?

Nathalie Portman (queen amidala?) shooting droids with their own gun in the arena

[NecronLord]

Nathalie Portman (queen amidala?) shooting droids with their own gun in the arena

The B1 droid gun is not an E-11. Similar, but not identical.

[harbringer]

IMHO well not so humble

Super battle drids from memory were techno union, spiders and hellfire the banking clan, that leaves droideka's and standard TF battledroids (where did the B1 classification come from??).

The standard BD's can use weapons that punch large holes in most things Vs a redshirt that carries a weapon with little or no proven capability to penetrate anything metal, yes star ship phasers can but this may be due to the fact they are linked to a reactor and sometimes have a majority of the ships power supplied to them.

The standard BD is thin to avoid being hit (same concept as low profile tanks) so it may not be impossibly armoured but I remember 1" plates on the chest from somewhere....

The battle droids have 3 to one advantage and the feds have no way to block the signal from the control ship (which may not affect droideka's anyhow....)

Droideka's are shielded/armoured and beyond any sort of weaponfire the redshirts can put out.

Any improved positions (which the federation don't create) would be no protection from the blasters in use by the droids in any case. Tactic wise the battle droids used cover and cover fire in the palace on naboo. Sith have no effect on droids as they are not organic thus any win they have is on their inherent merits. Better sensors and all troops equiped with them will be an advantage in the right circumstances as well.

On the downside the droids are in penny packets, though this may allow fast breakthroughs as the defense line will have chinks and weakpoints and maybe even undefended sections. However this is still a problem as the feds will have better internal lines and be able to switch troops to threatened areas... If they are bright enough to do this.


In total not even a contest, Feds are overwhelmed by numbers, firepower, tactics, comunication and sensors. Equal numbers would have been slightly fairer but all in all the feds get rolled.

[Lord Revan]

IMHO well not so humble

Super battle drids from memory were techno union, spiders and hellfire the banking clan, that leaves droideka's and standard TF battledroids (where did the B1 classification come from??).

no SBDs or Nemodian B2 battledroids are Tradefederation, Techo Union had Tank droids that were never seen AOTC and will be seen in ROTS (I hope). B1 is used at least in the medstar dualogy and probaly somewere else also.

[Darth Wong]

Regarding the battledroid chestplates, you can see them being forged in the factory at Geonosis in AOTC. They are clearly at least an inch thick. I have little confidence in the ability of hand phasers to blast through plating that thick (and even if they can do it, they would have to use sustained max-power blasts that quickly wear down their ammo), so they would be better off trying to score hits on the legs, arms, or head.

[Lord Revan]

Regarding the battledroid chestplates, you can see them being forged in the factory at Geonosis in AOTC. They are clearly at least an inch thick. I have little confidence in the ability of hand phasers to blast through plating that thick (and even if they can do it, they would have to use sustained max-power blasts that quickly wear down their ammo), so they would be better off trying to score hits on the legs, arms, or head.

On the other hand those plates are curved and not angular like B1 cheastplates so they could be B2 (aka SBD) cheastplates.

[Hardy]

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I dont think that more than 5 N/cm^2 of ground pressure is feasible for an infantry robot. Thus I argue that an B1 weight (not mass !) must be equal or less than 150kg with 300cm^2 for a single foot.

Can you please use SI base units for such measurements? Measuring pressure and density with centimeters is confusing.

Anyway, 5 N/cm² is 50 kPa which is at the limits of soft soils.

A human being exerts about 10 kPa on the ground according to my calculations. A 200 kg droid with the same foot area would exert 32 kPa. that might make walking in a swamp difficult, which may explain why they were on STAPs and MTTs instead of on foot in TPM. I do belive that the droid commander was on a platform during his conversation with the TF Viceroy.
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[Lord Revan]

I do belive that the droid commander was on a platform during his conversation with the TF Viceroy.

that one way to put it OOM-9 was in TF tank during conversation (the structure around it was the turret hatch).

[Hardy]

I do belive that the droid commander was on a platform during his conversation with the TF Viceroy.

that one way to put it OOM-9 was in TF tank during conversation (the structure around it was the turret hatch).

Good. Were there any droids on foot in the swamp?

[Civil War Man]

the feds have no way to block the signal from the control ship (which may not affect droideka's anyhow....)

Don't forget, assuming these are AOTC-era B1s, the backup AI (from the main page, AOTC revelations, IIRC). 3P0's head and body being able to work with battledroid parts implies that after the Naboo fiasco, the Trade Federation installed failsafes so the droids would work if the command signal is completely lost (still follow shutdown commands, but now can't be disabled if the only droid control ship in the area blows up).

So even if the Fed did have a way to block the signal, it probably wouldn't do much against the B1s, much less droidekas (again, assuming their AOTC-era B1s).