[Scrubula]Battle Droids vs Federation (in ground combat)

[wautd]

Nathalie Portman (queen amidala?) shooting droids with their own gun in the arena

The B1 droid gun is not an E-11. Similar, but not identical.

*stands corrected*

[harbringer]

Cool thought the SBD's were Techno union since they were only present in ATOC, thanks for the correction. I doubt the redshirts could do enough damage to a droid anywhere to bring it down....

What if the battle droids were armed with phasers (except for the doideka's who for obvious reasons cannot be...)? would we have the amusing situation of droids deliberately firing at each other to kill redshirts in close combat?.

What if the situations are reversed we have 5000 battle droids with normal kit facing 25,000 redshirts?.

[Scrubula]

Why are you all assuming (and wrongly so) that phaser won't affect either metal or the droids? We've seen hand phasers not only damage, but completly vaporize metal, both mundane and armor.

If this is just more warsie wanking, then I digress. But it you have a legitimate reason/evidence/proof to think that phasers will just bounce off the droids, I for one would love to hear it.

As to the Feds having no area effect weapons, that too is blatantly wrong. Besides the fact that phasers can be set on wide beam settings, there are also the photon grenades which have been mentioned in more than one DS9 episode.

[Gandalf]

As to the Feds having no area effect weapons, that too is blatantly wrong. Besides the fact that phasers can be set on wide beam settings, there are also the photon grenades which have been mentioned in more than one DS9 episode.

Mentioned yes, but why are they never used?

A wide beam would have been damn handy at AR-558.

[Scrubula]

Mentioned yes, but why are they never used?

Photon grenades we've never actually seen in use. That hardly means they don't exist and that no one ever uses them.

Wide beam phasers have been shown on multiple occasions, although I think they might have all been the hand type phasers. Don't recall if we've seen a phaser rifle on wide beam before.

[Darth Wong]

Why are you all assuming (and wrongly so) that phaser won't affect either metal or the droids? We've seen hand phasers not only damage, but completly vaporize metal, both mundane and armor.

Name one time we've seen hand phasers vapourize 1" thick armour plate, you bullshitting asshole.

<snip wide-beam bullfuckery>

Wide-beam is only used for stun setting, dumbfuck. It sure as hell won't punch through metal, or didn't you notice that you can wide-beam a room and not damage the walls?

[Gandalf]

Mentioned yes, but why are they never used?

Photon grenades we've never actually seen in use. That hardly means they don't exist and that no one ever uses them.

You would think an item that useful would see common use. Think of all those times an enemy was just around a corner or behind some sort of obstruction.

Wide beam phasers have been shown on multiple occasions, although I think they might have all been the hand type phasers. Don't recall if we've seen a phaser rifle on wide beam before.

Once or twice, in Way of The Warrior they do the Changeling sweep using phasers on a "4" setting. Still doesn't answer why they're not used in battle situations. Ar-558 was a fairly narrow pass, a wide beam would have done wonders.

[The Original Nex]

Cool thought the SBD's were Techno union since they were only present in ATOC, thanks for the correction.

They're built by the TU for the TF.

[Kurgan]

Put another way. IG-88, a relative of General Grievous' Magnaguards, weighed several tons by the time of TESB.

He's got tiny little feet though... wouldn't he be busting through the floor?

[NecronLord]

He's got tiny little feet though... wouldn't he be busting through the floor?

I think he's meant to have repulsors, and use the legs for ground traction. Rather like an Acclamator actually.

[Kurgan]

He's got tiny little feet though... wouldn't he be busting through the floor?

I think he's meant to have repulsors, and use the legs for ground traction. Rather like an Acclamator actually.

Just so he doesn't try to sit down in a chair or something, then.

[Hardy]

He's got tiny little feet though... wouldn't he be busting through the floor?

If his total foot area is less than 0.03 m², then he would definitely have trouble walking on any kind of soil. Wood floors woul be merciful and concrete and most industrial metal floors would pose little problem for IG-88. It probably is the reason why he sticks to the (presumably) urbanized Inner Core.

[Darth Wong]

We've only ever seen him onscreen standing on a Star Destroyer's deckplates, where this wouldn't be a problem.

[harbringer]

Why are you all assuming (and wrongly so) that phaser won't affect either metal or the droids? We've seen hand phasers not only damage, but completly vaporize metal, both mundane and armor.

If this is just more warsie wanking, then I digress. But it you have a legitimate reason/evidence/proof to think that phasers will just bounce off the droids, I for one would love to hear it.

As to the Feds having no area effect weapons, that too is blatantly wrong. Besides the fact that phasers can be set on wide beam settings, there are also the photon grenades which have been mentioned in more than one DS9 episode.

WHERE have we seen armour "vapourized" with a hand phaser, and the emphisis is implied on the SEEN. A shipboard weapon for various reasons not least of which is the energy required to fire and punch through armour isn't automatically analogus to a hand phaser. We have seen many times crates that are not pure nutronium or some other impossibly dense strong material, not have huge holes punched in them despite that both sides are trying to kill each other.

The droideka's are IMMUNE to hand weapons like phasers, and with the amount of armour involved I can argue so are the standard droids. Note I didn't have to resort to anything fancy to do this either... I could also point out that with a phaser you are outranged and with the poor accuracy of the weapon despite training like that with worf and the good doctor unlikely to hit.

[Kurgan]

We've seen a TOS era hand phaser vaporize (or rather, "make disappear") a metal cooking pot big enough to hold a chicken (or other bird) in one shot (ST6), but that's about it, canonically. I figure that much damage done to a battle droid wouldn't necessarily damage it enough to put it out of commision.

In VOY we see a 29th century hand phaser vaporize (or whatever) a 20th century pickup truck in one shot (1 second sustained beam, and still power for other shots later on). But then that's future tech...

[Scrubula]

Name one time we've seen hand phasers vapourize 1" thick armour plate, you bullshitting asshole.

Name one time we've seen SW hand weapons vapourize 1" thick armour plating, you ignorant, dishonest cumstump of a manwhore. (Hurray for warsie debating skills! No proof/evidence needed, just random, meaningless internet toughguy talk! You know that internet toughguys are the coolest guys around right?)

We have seen hand phasers disenegrate whole sections of stone/metal walls when searching for hostages in the underground city, don't remember episode name, but it was early TNG. Phasers worked just fine on the armored and shielded evolving battle drones that they faced on that automated weapons world, again early TNG. We've seen klingons completly disenegrated, including their armor and weapons.

For that matter, prove that the clones had '1" armour plating.' They sure seem incredibly weak in the movie compared to the way you guys describe them. Didn't the TF cut corners to make the droids cheap and then on top of that rushed them into production? Doesn't sound like quality design/craftmanship does it? So why do you assume they are so heavily armored when nothing in the movies supports it?

Wide-beam is only used for stun setting, dumbfuck. It sure as hell won't punch through metal, or didn't you notice that you can wide-beam a room and not damage the walls?

Wide beam has never been shown to be restricted by power setting to my knowledge, you retarded fucktwat. (Yea warsie debating skills!) Provide the proof that this is so please.
Didnt' Kirk order phasers set to widebeam on maximum setting in TOS once? I think it was the episode with the vampire-cloud creature maybe.

[SirNitram]

Name one time we've seen hand phasers vapourize 1" thick armour plate, you bullshitting asshole.

Name one time we've seen SW hand weapons vapourize 1" thick armour plating, you ignorant, dishonest cumstump of a manwhore. (Hurray for warsie debating skills! No proof/evidence needed, just random, meaningless internet toughguy talk! You know that internet toughguys are the coolest guys around right?)

Detention block in the Death Star, signifigant chunks blown out of bulkheads. Moreover, the entire doors blown open. 1/0 in favor of Wars.

We have seen hand phasers disenegrate whole sections of stone/metal walls when searching for hostages in the underground city, don't remember episode name, but it was early TNG. Phasers worked just fine on the armored and shielded evolving battle drones that they faced on that automated weapons world, again early TNG. We've seen klingons completly disenegrated, including their armor and weapons.

Frankly, you have to present evidence, kiddo. Come back when you have it instead of vague 'It was sometime in the early run of a seven year show'.

For that matter, prove that the clones had '1" armour plating.' They sure seem incredibly weak in the movie compared to the way you guys describe them. Didn't the TF cut corners to make the droids cheap and then on top of that rushed them into production? Doesn't sound like quality design/craftmanship does it? So why do you assume they are so heavily armored when nothing in the movies supports it?

One inch plate isn't incredible armour plating. It's an inch of armour plating slapped in place. Oh, wait. Idiot trektards don't realize that armour isn't super-duper-magical-tech.

Wide-beam is only used for stun setting, dumbfuck. It sure as hell won't punch through metal, or didn't you notice that you can wide-beam a room and not damage the walls?

Wide beam has never been shown to be restricted by power setting to my knowledge, you retarded fucktwat. (Yea warsie debating skills!) Provide the proof that this is so please.
Didnt' Kirk order phasers set to widebeam on maximum setting in TOS once? I think it was the episode with the vampire-cloud creature maybe.

Burden of proof fallacy. Oh, wait. Since the trektard is too stupid to know what a logical fallacy is, he'll whine this is somehow part of 'warsie debating skills'. Apparently, 'Trekkie debating skills' consist of making vague assertions then stamping your feet like a cretinous brat.

[Darth Wong]

Name one time we've seen hand phasers vapourize 1" thick armour plate, you bullshitting asshole.

Name one time we've seen SW hand weapons vapourize 1" thick armour plating, you ignorant, dishonest cumstump of a manwhore. (Hurray for warsie debating skills! No proof/evidence needed, just random, meaningless internet toughguy talk! You know that internet toughguys are the coolest guys around right?)

Nice anti-Warsie attack, shitstain. I like the way you try to respond to a direct attack on your own lying bullshit statements with a completely unwarranted categorical attack. Too bad that's totally fucking irrelevant, since Federation ground troops don't have armour plating, moron. And this retort DOES NOT VALIDATE YOUR ORIGINAL CLAIM THAT PHASERS CAN DO IT.

As I said, you're a bullshitting asshole. You proved it by your initial conduct, and you proved it again with your response.

We have seen hand phasers disenegrate whole sections of stone/metal walls when searching for hostages in the underground city, don't remember episode name, but it was early TNG. Phasers worked just fine on the armored and shielded evolving battle drones that they faced on that automated weapons world, again early TNG. We've seen klingons completly disenegrated, including their armor and weapons.

Oh right, you're just going to say "umm, an episode I don't recall, but it was in TNG". Suuuuure.

For that matter, prove that the clones had '1" armour plating.' They sure seem incredibly weak in the movie compared to the way you guys describe them. Didn't the TF cut corners to make the droids cheap and then on top of that rushed them into production? Doesn't sound like quality design/craftmanship does it? So why do you assume they are so heavily armored when nothing in the movies supports it?

You don't even know the difference between "clones" and "droids"? And you can't see the thickness of the droid chestplates being forged in the Geonosis plant? Nor do you recognize the fact that chunks are blasted out of Death Star walls during firefights? Why aren't chunks blasted out of starship walls during Trek firefights?

Wide-beam is only used for stun setting, dumbfuck. It sure as hell won't punch through metal, or didn't you notice that you can wide-beam a room and not damage the walls?

Wide beam has never been shown to be restricted by power setting to my knowledge, you retarded fucktwat. (Yea warsie debating skills!) Provide the proof that this is so please.

Simple math, you blithering idiot. And no, despite your bullshit, this isn't about being a "warsie", it's about being able to do math. Take a 5mm wide beam and spread it over an area covering many square metres, and the intensity drops to a miniscule fraction of its initial level.

Didnt' Kirk order phasers set to widebeam on maximum setting in TOS once? I think it was the episode with the vampire-cloud creature maybe.

Ah yes, more of your "ummm, I think I vaguely recall something that substantiates my bullshit" style of debate.

[Darth Wong]

I don't suppose anyone will be shocked to discover that Scrubula is an AOLer.

[SirNitram]

I don't suppose anyone will be shocked to discover that Scrubula is an AOLer.

Actually, yea. He's substantially more literate than most.

[Scrubula]

And this retort DOES NOT VALIDATE YOUR ORIGINAL CLAIM THAT PHASERS CAN DO IT.

SINCE HAND WEAPONS DON'T VAPORIZE THE DROIDS TO TAKE THEM OUT, WHY DOES IT MATTER IF PHASERS CAN VAPORIZE THEM? PHASERS HAVE FAR MORE DEVASTATING EFFECTS THAN BLASTERS, SO NO REASON TO THINK THEY WON'T HURT THE DROIDS JUST AS READILY. NOT TO MENTION ENTRENCHED COMBAT TROOPS ARE GOING TO HAVE HEAVIER WEAPONS, SUCH AS THE TRIPOD MOUNTED PHASER SEEN THE THE PILOT EPISODE OF TOS. IT DISENEGRATED A LARGE METAL DOOR AND TOOK THE TOP COMPLETLY OFF THAT ROCKY OUTCROPING THEY WERE FIRING IT AT. NOT THAT IT MATTERS, SINCE HAND PHASER WOULD WORK JUST FINE AGAINST THE FRAGILE BATTLE DROIDS.

I don't suppose anyone will be shocked to discover that Scrubula is an AOLer.

Besides proving that you are an insufferable ass, what does this have to do with anything? Oh, I forgot, warsie debating, right...not proof or evidence, just pure jackassery.

[Lord Revan]

About the cooking pot in ST6, it's probable that even if you melted one you wouldn't get 2.54 cm (1'') solid plate that's as big as the cheast plate of battledroid (also even did get a plate that's big enough, it would still be aluminium or stainless steel not durasteel.)

[SirNitram]

And this retort DOES NOT VALIDATE YOUR ORIGINAL CLAIM THAT PHASERS CAN DO IT.

SINCE HAND WEAPONS DON'T VAPORIZE THE DROIDS TO TAKE THEM OUT, WHY DOES IT MATTER IF PHASERS CAN VAPORIZE THEM? PHASERS HAVE FAR MORE DEVASTATING EFFECTS THAN BLASTERS, SO NO REASON TO THINK THEY WON'T HURT THE DROIDS JUST AS READILY. NOT TO MENTION ENTRENCHED COMBAT TROOPS ARE GOING TO HAVE HEAVIER WEAPONS, SUCH AS THE TRIPOD MOUNTED PHASER SEEN THE THE PILOT EPISODE OF TOS. IT DISENEGRATED A LARGE METAL DOOR AND TOOK THE TOP COMPLETLY OFF THAT ROCKY OUTCROPING THEY WERE FIRING IT AT. NOT THAT IT MATTERS, SINCE HAND PHASER WOULD WORK JUST FINE AGAINST THE FRAGILE BATTLE DROIDS.

Idiot child. If they were vaporized, where's the vapour?

[Darth Wong]

And this retort DOES NOT VALIDATE YOUR ORIGINAL CLAIM THAT PHASERS CAN DO IT.

SINCE HAND WEAPONS DON'T VAPORIZE THE DROIDS TO TAKE THEM OUT, WHY DOES IT MATTER IF PHASERS CAN VAPORIZE THEM?

You make a HOLE, you idiot. And if you make another all-caps post, you're history. Caps are for emphasis.

PHASERS HAVE FAR MORE DEVASTATING EFFECTS THAN BLASTERS

Prove it.

SO NO REASON TO THINK THEY WON'T HURT THE DROIDS JUST AS READILY. NOT TO MENTION ENTRENCHED COMBAT TROOPS ARE GOING TO HAVE HEAVIER WEAPONS, SUCH AS THE TRIPOD MOUNTED PHASER SEEN THE THE PILOT EPISODE OF TOS.

Bullshit. Watch Siege of AR-588. Entrenched troops who had just been resupplied. No heavy weapons.

IT DISENEGRATED A LARGE METAL DOOR AND TOOK THE TOP COMPLETLY OFF THAT ROCKY OUTCROPING THEY WERE FIRING IT AT. NOT THAT IT MATTERS, SINCE HAND PHASER WOULD WORK JUST FINE AGAINST THE FRAGILE BATTLE DROIDS.

Prove it.

I don't suppose anyone will be shocked to discover that Scrubula is an AOLer.

Besides proving that you are an insufferable ass, what does this have to do with anything? Oh, I forgot, warsie debating, right...not proof or evidence, just pure jackassery.

Nice comeback from a lying little asshole who refuses to post proof of anything he ever says and who also ignored most of my post in which I pointed out the mathematical problems with his claim.

You're obviously a troll, so I will give you five minutes to post proof of your claims that phasers are much more destructive than blasters and to address the mathematical issues raised with your absurd "widebeam phasers suffer no loss of intensity" assumption.

[Darth Servo]

I don't suppose anyone will be shocked to discover that Scrubula is an AOLer.

Remember, you can't spell "Asshole" without AOL.