Aw what tha hell! Time for a classic SpaceBattles Debate!

[SAMAS]

Okay, let me rephrase that one: Anime[/i]- style Mirror Coat, which for some reason merely reflects the attack.

Now you're switching between show and game!?!?!?!? PICK ONE, WANKER!!!

I actually have been sticking with the game, and the Pokemon Adventures Manga, which takes off after the game. If I used something from the Anime, I've always mentioned it.

[SirNitram]

Well, SAMAS, you have proven yourself even more like DarkStar when it comes to Pokemon. You refuse to concede the slightest point, and try to elevate yourself up on some moral high ground by the tried-and-true 'I'm not, you are!' art of debating, from 3rd grade.

[Isil`Zha]

Conceeded on Bahamut toasted the whole lot of them, being as I mentioned it 3 times with no even attempt at refuting it. Thank you :p

[Kuja]

I actually have been sticking with the game, and the Pokemon Adventures Manga, which takes off after the game. If I used something from the Anime, I've always mentioned it.

That's nice! You admit switching to whatever you like better! Fuck off!

[SAMAS]

Well, SAMAS, you have proven yourself even more like DarkStar when it comes to Pokemon. You refuse to concede the slightest point, and try to elevate yourself up on some moral high ground by the tried-and-true 'I'm not, you are!' art of debating, from 3rd grade.

Oh really?

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=6048

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=6060

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=5979

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=5632

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=5955

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=5634

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=5749

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=6070

Hmmm... Funny, I didn't start these threads!

I see. However, I have a simple way of dealing with your Pokemon hordes.

Tolodine's Killing Wind

*steps out of the burning ashes of still-twitching poke-creatures.*

Now.. How shall I punish your for this atrocity? A few mileenia in Hades?

The Netherese still kick Pokemon ass. Why? Easy.

They have life forces. Tolodine's Killing Wind is known even by the household supervisors of Archwizards. The Killing Wind simply snuffs out lifeforce.

Now, when the dead Pokemon are ressurected as undead to assault the remainder of the assault....

I didn't make these posts, either.

[SAMAS]

I actually have been sticking with the game, and the Pokemon Adventures Manga, which takes off after the game. If I used something from the Anime, I've always mentioned it.

That's nice! You admit switching to whatever you like better! Fuck off!

And? That's how this whole mess started.

[SAMAS]

Seriously, I can do that, as long as the two sources don't contradict each other. That's when I have to specify which one.

[SirNitram]

Nice try to shift the blame. You have been engaging in intellectual dishonesty in this thread, wanking off, and being a general prick. The other vs Pokemon threads were created as a reminder that you are being a prick and a wanker. The same happens to every poster.

As for your accusals that this is a 'circle jerk', that's funny. I stood behind my normal side.. The Empire Of Netheril, as of the Shadowed Age.. And debated. I'm sorry if you can't conceive of something kicking the shit out of your chosen side without it being a wankfest, but too bad. Now, as my fellow Black Mage has sad, fuck off.

[Alyrium Denryle]

And I see you have not responded meaningfully to my post. I know more about the structure of D&D magic than anyone here. If your pokemon cannot defeat my little NPC do you honestly think they can defeat my campaign world?

[SAMAS]

Nice try to shift the blame. You have been engaging in intellectual dishonesty in this thread, wanking off, and being a general prick. The other vs Pokemon threads were created as a reminder that you are being a prick and a wanker. The same happens to every poster.

As for your accusals that this is a 'circle jerk', that's funny. I stood behind my normal side.. The Empire Of Netheril, as of the Shadowed Age.. And debated. I'm sorry if you can't conceive of something kicking the shit out of your chosen side without it being a wankfest, but too bad. Now, as my fellow Black Mage has sad, fuck off.

Actually, that was the point. This was not a: "The Empire Of Netheril, as of the Shadowed Age vs. Pokemon" thread. This was "A legion of Stormtroopers vs. Pokemon."

YOU were the one who got off, and threw in the most powerful force you could think of. Why, I don't know.

Better yet, why don't I ask you? Perhaps you thought the Stormtroopers couldn't win?

[SirNitram]

Nice try to shift the blame. You have been engaging in intellectual dishonesty in this thread, wanking off, and being a general prick. The other vs Pokemon threads were created as a reminder that you are being a prick and a wanker. The same happens to every poster.

As for your accusals that this is a 'circle jerk', that's funny. I stood behind my normal side.. The Empire Of Netheril, as of the Shadowed Age.. And debated. I'm sorry if you can't conceive of something kicking the shit out of your chosen side without it being a wankfest, but too bad. Now, as my fellow Black Mage has sad, fuck off.

Actually, that was the point. This was not a: "The Empire Of Netheril, as of the Shadowed Age vs. Pokemon" thread. This was "A legion of Stormtroopers vs. Pokemon."

YOU were the one who got off, and threw in the most powerful force you could think of. Why, I don't know.

Better yet, why don't I ask you? Perhaps you thought the Stormtroopers couldn't win?

Not really. Stormtroopers are incompetents who cannot face down even a modern-era mage, let alone an Archwizard from the most powerful magical empire ever. Stormtroopers with armoured support would handle the situation, but I'm not bothering to debate that. Perhaps you, in your moroncy, missed what I said:

I took my normal side, and began to debate. The fact you waited until I had kicked your ass and exposed you as a wanker to complain proves your dishonesty.

[HemlockGrey]

The Empire of Netheril is hardly the most powerful force. He could have easily called in the Amberites, the Culture, the Xelee, the Principality of Zan, or the Imperator Himself.

[SAMAS]

And I see you have not responded meaningfully to my post.

Why would I? I stay out of munchkin posts...

Okay, I usually try to. I let myself get suckered in with Sir Nitram.

I know more about the structure of D&D magic than anyone here. If your pokemon cannot defeat my little NPC do you honestly think they can defeat my campaign world?

Oooh, I got a special one for you...

[Kuja]

Actually, that was the point. This was not a: "The Empire Of Netheril, as of the Shadowed Age vs. Pokemon" thread. This was "A legion of Stormtroopers vs. Pokemon."

YOU were the one who got off, and threw in the most powerful force you could think of. Why, I don't know.

Better yet, why don't I ask you? Perhaps you thought the Stormtroopers couldn't win?

You truly are a dumbass. This started as an honest debate (stormies notwithstanding) and grew into a pokemon wankfest because of your stubborn refusal to see reson. Don't try and shift the blame, wanker.

[SirNitram]

And I see you have not responded meaningfully to my post.

Why would I? I stay out of munchkin posts...

Okay, I usually try to. I let myself get suckered in with Sir Nitram.

Oh, don't feel too bad. You just got your ass kicked by a superior debator with a superior position.

[Alyrium Denryle]

Hey. I only follow the rules. The fact that the rules are maleable makes it all the more fun. Besides I was simply talking about my post on the pokemon not being able to mimic D&D magic. I request that you respond to it. Without those moves any mage, whether he be 18th level or 1010101010101th level can take out the entire planet.

[SAMAS]

Nice try to shift the blame. You have been engaging in intellectual dishonesty in this thread, wanking off, and being a general prick. The other vs Pokemon threads were created as a reminder that you are being a prick and a wanker. The same happens to every poster.

As for your accusals that this is a 'circle jerk', that's funny. I stood behind my normal side.. The Empire Of Netheril, as of the Shadowed Age.. And debated. I'm sorry if you can't conceive of something kicking the shit out of your chosen side without it being a wankfest, but too bad. Now, as my fellow Black Mage has sad, fuck off.

Actually, that was the point. This was not a: "The Empire Of Netheril, as of the Shadowed Age vs. Pokemon" thread. This was "A legion of Stormtroopers vs. Pokemon."

YOU were the one who got off, and threw in the most powerful force you could think of. Why, I don't know.

Better yet, why don't I ask you? Perhaps you thought the Stormtroopers couldn't win?

Not really. Stormtroopers are incompetents who cannot face down even a modern-era mage, let alone an Archwizard from the most powerful magical empire ever. Stormtroopers with armoured support would handle the situation, but I'm not bothering to debate that. Perhaps you, in your moroncy, missed what I said:

I took my normal side, and began to debate. The fact you waited until I had kicked your ass and exposed you as a wanker to complain proves your dishonesty.

You did no such thing.

And there is no "normal" side, or do you always spam everyone else's Vs. debates like this?

But why not go back through this thread.

You claimed that the Killing Wind would kill everything.

I pointed out that some Pokemon would still be able to protect themselves, and Ghost Pokemon would be uneffected.

You counterd that with the power of Rebuke Undead to keep them back.

I countered that the Ghosts would just attack them from a distance. You never answered that(And if I missed it, pease point your answer out.)

No wait, you casually dismissed that one by dropping a few names, but no information.

After that, I got in a small debate against Hotfoot, at which point he brought out Gods, and I brought out the Unoun and Legendaries.

Then you jumped back in about page later, saying that the Netherese Archwizards were more powerful.

I conceded that point, saying that they were now an Unoun-class(i.e. Reality Warping) threat.

Then I got engaged by Hotfoot involving the Tarrasque. For some reason, you jumped in again, claiming that the Unoun's abilities were mere magic. (If you're double-checking me, this occurs near the bottom of page 7)

I disputed that(HINT: Unoun are PSYCHIC Pokemon), and you claimed that because there were spells that could do the same effect, that made them magic. This started the longest part of the debate, as you claimed that it was the effects that made magic, and I claimed it was the source. This was the "Pikachu and the Anti-Magic Shell" argument that you seem to be trying to use to claim that I said Pokemon had no magic capablities. You have also used this to claim that I have been bending the rules to my side, despite the fact that I have not claimed any rules at all. You were the one claiming that any and all Pokemon abilities fall under the category of Magic, despite Official evidence to the contrary(in the case of a Pikachu's electrical abilities). Said argument went form page 8 to page 12 so far.

Eventually, this went back to the earlier part of the argument, where you went back to: "The Netherese can kick their asses anyway, and we've gotten back to repeating ourselves, sans the Ghost Pokemon(my fault). This dropped back to "Karsus can take the Unoun with the Avatar Spell!" I've pointed out the flaws I could with my limited Knowledge(Single Spell vs. Multiple Targets), which you have not answered, instead falling back to the "Stop Wanking Ooff" defense.

[Alyrium Denryle]

Respond. At least I have the patience to not personally attack you. If the pokemon cannot deflect or otherwise guard themselves against as simple spell as fireball, or acid geyser how do expect them to fight off hoards of high level mages?

[SAMAS]

Respond. At least I have the patience to not personally attack you. If the pokemon cannot deflect or otherwise guard themselves against as simple spell as fireball, or acid geyser how do expect them to fight off hoards of high level mages?

You do realize that they shoot fireballs and streams of acid(Although I can't think of any Pokemon who can do both at the same time) at each other quite often, right?

[SAMAS]

Oh yeah, I decided not to make a new thread about this(I did promise, after all):

But seriously, what do you think would happen if, due to a completely fucked-up summoning, or something like that, All the Pokemon on the planet suddenly got transported to your compaign world?

Not a Vs, or anything, but what do you think would happen?

[SirNitram]

SAMAS, I repeatedly responded on the Avatar vs. Swarm Deity(AKA, the kind the Unoun are) point. If you're ignoring it because you refuse to concede points, it ain't my fault.

[Alyrium Denryle]

Yes true the pokemnon are capable of using some of the same effcts. But the mages defenses are tailored for all sources of a given attack. If mage is hit by a fireall, his energy buffer is going to protect him just as well as if a charizard used flamthrower. And when the mage is raining death in the form of spells that use different types of elements you will find that the pokemon will not be able to defend against everything. Especially is the mage is high leveled enough to cast prismatic sphere. That spell blocks everything out, even mental attacks, and yet still allows the caster to fight. The pokemon equivalents to the spells used to dispell the sphere will not work, because it is not the effect that performs the dispelling, but the structure of the spell itself.


In response to all pokemon being transported to my epic level campaign world They will be destroyed.

Can see it now....

An army of arcane archers, mages, and eldritch warriors forms up in front of a sea of pokemon.

Arcane archer commander (wis50 arc20):Amenohi dax tirak felinin

Death arrows rain from the sky in the first volley, killing several thousand pokemon.

Elritch warrior commander (ftr20/wiz50/Eldw5 duelist1): Charge!

Thousands of robe wearing men wielding rapiers with grace charge into the fray, when thier swords hit, destructive spells explode in destructive death, while thier runeweave robes and defensive spells protect them from the pokemons pathetic attacks.
Mage commander: Take flight

Thousands of high level mages(all >20th level, it is an epic world after all) take flight and begin casting carefully shaped spells into the mellee(so as not to hit thier own troops) raining death down apon the hapless pokemon.

Fireballs, and acid globs mingle with ice and electrical energy as spells fly across the battle field.

Chained disintegrate spells burst into being when the swods of the eldritch warriors hit thier targets, killing all pokemon in the area. A scyther slashes at an eldritch warior, only to find that his attacks are absorbed by the glowing robes.

Special pokemon attackes explode on the energy buffer and elemental protection spells. A flight of Pidgeots tries to make an attack run on the flying mages. But the mages are to fast, and the birds flying to quickly to turn away, as walls of force appear infront of them. Thier shattered corpses fall to the ground, those that remain are quickly brough down as fireballs explode like shot from a flak cannon, ripping into thier feathery bodies.

When the corpses pile up on the ground waist deep, the eldritch warriors stop fighting and cast prismatic sphere on themselves.....And then the corpses of the slain pokemon catch fire and explode in a shimmering radience of destructive energy, vaporizing everything that is not defended against the corpsefire spell.

That would be what would happen

[Isil`Zha]

Don't make me annihilate all the pokeman again in a different manner...

[Sea Skimmer]

Don't make me annihilate all the pokeman again in a different manner...

Fuck waiting



DIE THREAD

[SAMAS]

SAMAS, I repeatedly responded on the Avatar vs. Swarm Deity(AKA, the kind the Unoun are) point. If you're ignoring it because you refuse to concede points, it ain't my fault.

I did not ignore it. I told you that the Unoun are not a Swarm Deity. They are just a Swarm. They are all induviduals.

You know, I've been giving a lot of information, but you've been rather tight-lipped. Perhaps some more information on the Avatar Spell would help.