Non Combat: Borg v. Battle Droid army

[Jaepheth]

For round 1, are the teams allowed to implement "the Robot"?

[Nephtys]

1. Go Drones. As Shawn of the Dead has shown us, zombies can be good in musical scenes, such as the choreographed cue-stick beatdown. Since Borg are space zombies, why not?
2. Go Droids. Borg flail and spark and die. Droids sink. But they sink in formation.
3. Go Drones. Phaser toasted Nutrient Efficiency Paste directly injected in the bloodstream is still better tasting than lightsabered motor oil.

[The Silence and I]

This is the funniest vs I have ever read I think I stared at the screen in shock for a few seconds before coming out of it; so a-typical for here!

Well despite Data's enourmous skill his rather sad drone 'support' will not favorably compete with the in-sync motion the droids have to offer. As others have said there do exist very capable droids as well that can serve as leads to match Data anyway.

As for the water dance... uh. I think both would sink, making swimming gracefully slightly uh, hard. I have no idea who would sink less gracefully so I would call this a tie.

For the Iron Chefs competition I gotta say tastebuds are your friend. Data most likely has recipies memorized even if the Borg don't bother to (and I expect they do, even assimilated drones retain memories and surely some of the bunch had cooked in the past), and while the imagination and creativity would not be so good here, that shouldn't be a problem next to the competition... both can follow a recipie perfectly, but only one side has tastebuds!

So the breakdown seems to be:
Droids
Tie
Drones

Wow just wow.

[Robert Walper]

Actually, since the Borg purge information they deem irrelevent (cooking would considered so), the only way the drones could even cook is if their individuality began to asser itself...

[Bounty]

Actually, since the Borg purge information they deem irrelevent (cooking would considered so), the only way the drones could even cook is if their individuality began to asser itself...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the Voyager ep with the Borg camping trip, didn't they start the barbecue before their memories came back ?

Even if all they can do is fry squirrels, it's better then what droids can cook...nothing.

[Robert Walper]

Actually, since the Borg purge information they deem irrelevent (cooking would considered so), the only way the drones could even cook is if their individuality began to asser itself...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the Voyager ep with the Borg camping trip, didn't they start the barbecue before their memories came back ?

Well, that was STVOY "Survival Instinct". And yes, they killed and cooked a animal as per their programmed "survival routines". I guess that qualifies as cooking, although it wasn't quite what I was thinking.

Even if all they can do is fry squirrels, it's better then what droids can cook...nothing.

Well, I suppose I stand corrected then.

[The Silence and I]

Actually, since the Borg purge information they deem irrelevent (cooking would considered so), the only way the drones could even cook is if their individuality began to asser itself...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the Voyager ep with the Borg camping trip, didn't they start the barbecue before their memories came back ?

Even if all they can do is fry squirrels, it's better then what droids can cook...nothing.

Besides, Data should know a thing or two about it as well.

I highly doubt B1 droids have knowledge on cooking, they should have to learn as they go, and of course have no tastebuds...

[Darth Servo]

Besides, Data should know a thing or two about it as well.[/quote]Why? Data's #1 selection at 10-forward is "a semi-organic nutrient suspension in a silicon-based liquid medium". You think this guy would be able to cook?

[Bounty]

Why? Data's #1 selection at 10-forward is "a semi-organic nutrient suspension in a silicon-based liquid medium". You think this guy would be able to cook?

He's also designed to be as human as possible. He paints, dances, is a musician, and has a fully-functional digestive system. It's entirely in line with his personality to have studied cooking, too - just because he likes to stick with his efficient & simple nutrient mix doesn't prove he doesn't know how to cook.

[Darth Servo]

He's also designed to be as human as possible.

without having emotions or using contractions?

He paints, dances, is a musician, and has a fully-functional digestive system.

He also admits that he "lacks soul" when it comes to playing music. He can DUPLICALE a dance step he's been taught or make extremely accurate clay replicas of a control pad but can't improvise worth shit. When asked to "sculpt music" his response was to make the symbol for the treble cleft.



The Iron chef portion was about "creativity and presentation". My DOG had more creativity than Data.

It's entirely in line with his personality to have studied cooking, too - just because he likes to stick with his efficient & simple nutrient mix doesn't prove he doesn't know how to cook.

Its totaly AGAINST his personality to do anything original.

[Bounty]

without having emotions or using contractions?

Safeguard by Soong to keep the other colonists from doing an angry mob routine. Data didn't have emotions, but Soong did give him dreams and a drive to become human. My point was that he studies various facets of human culture as a hobby, and food happens to be a very important facet.

He also admits that he "lacks soul" when it comes to playing music. He can DUPLICALE a dance step he's been taught or make extremely accurate clay replicas of a control pad but can't improvise worth shit.

As Picard noted, while he can't improvise (if we're talking about pre-GEN Data), he can combine the things he does know into soemthing new (ex the music he plays; his style is a combination of previous styles, but it is his own)

The Iron chef portion was about "creativity and presentation". My DOG had more creativity than Data.

Compared to the competition, he's a fucking gastronomic Da Vinci.

[Vanas]

Round one:
The droids don't seem to have the joint flexibilty to do The Robot, however, an impromptu can-can or cossack dance is feasable. The drones shamble around, trying to assimilate the spectators, before being fended off by cricket-bat weilding security staff.

Round two:
The droids line up and valiantly sink in formation. The drones shamble around, trying to assimilate the spectators, before being fended off by cricket-bat weilding security staff.

Round three:

The droids stand around, lookig embarrased. The drones shamble around, trying to assimilate the spectators, before being fended off by cricket-bat weilding security staff.

Droids, Droids, draw.

[Darth Servo]

Safeguard by Soong to keep the other colonists from doing an angry mob routine. Data didn't have emotions, but Soong did give him dreams and a drive to become human.

So Soong gave Data a drive that would be impossible without additional hardware?

My point was that he studies various facets of human culture as a hobby, and food happens to be a very important facet.

Yet what he creates tends to be total shit. Example: Ode to spot.

As Picard noted, while he can't improvise (if we're talking about pre-GEN Data), he can combine the things he does know into soemthing new (ex the music he plays; his style is a combination of previous styles, but it is his own)

Which would make him a good classical music player, but absolutely rotten in jazz. And he has never actually composed any music. Just duplicated playing style.

Compared to the competition, he's a fucking gastronomic Da Vinci.

I don't see you providing evidence that the battle droids can't innovate anything.

[BringerOfLight]

And they're either riding vehicles, or being supported by a platform of some sort. We do not see B1's floating in the water at all, just the clonetroopers and droid vehicles.

I said that in response to the person who said B1s couldn't go underwater at all.

You do know it was meant to be a joke right?

[Captain Cyran]

Well lets see. First round Data puts up an attempt, but with idiots like the drones behind him, the droids take this as they march in step in cool circles and stuff.

Round Two: Both sides sink, walking around on the bottom of the pool is not considered swimming.

Round Three: Goes to the Drones, Data can cook (How good it is, I dunno) and apparently the Drones can... kinda... cook. The droids on the other hand, there is no proof of them having any cooking ability, or any ability beyond marching forward and shooting for that matter.

[Lord of the Farce]

For round 2: While the droids may not be able to swim (unless you seal enough compressed air into them that they pretty much have neutral buoyancy), their slimmer, skeletal like bodies should allow them to move around with more grace (since there's less resistance from the water).

[Bounty]

I don't see you providing evidence that the battle droids can't innovate anything.

I don't see you providing evidence that they can.

[The Silence and I]

For round 2: While the droids may not be able to swim (unless you seal enough compressed air into them that they pretty much have neutral buoyancy), their slimmer, skeletal like bodies should allow them to move around with more grace (since there's less resistance from the water).

Adding air without adding volume has no effect on buoyancy; except the mass of hte added air could decrease the buoyancy... basically they sink, period.

As for grace, I don't know. Either way neither side is actually swimming, so they both lose anyway.

[Bounty]

So Soong gave Data a drive that would be impossible without additional hardware?

Not impossible; Data could experience some basic emotions without his chip (like anger in Descent and The Most Toys), the chip was just more efficient.

Yet what he creates tends to be total shit. Example: Ode to spot.

Purely subjective. Believe it or not, there are people who like that poem.

Which would make him a good classical music player, but absolutely rotten in jazz. And he has never actually composed any music. Just duplicated playing style.

And I'm not denying this. I can't understand why you are so deperate to argue this. I'm not arguing "DatA is teh LeeT !!11!" here; I'm not saying he can cook like the best. What I am saying is tat, in a cook-off against a glorified metallic redshirt with wits of an average toaster, he has a clear advantage.

[Lord Revan]

Compared to the competition, he's a fucking gastronomic Da Vinci.

I don't see you providing evidence that the battle droids can't innovate anything.

"clones can think creatively, you will emmesly superior to droids" from AOTC (my typos non with standing) it say that droids can't think of/create/innovate new tactics to counter a different situation (of the Kaminoan are not talking about high end models like C-3PO).

[R.O.A]

I would have to say the borg for the iron chef competition because the borg could eaisily just assimulate a chef lol

[Darth Servo]

Not impossible; Data could experience some basic emotions without his chip (like anger in Descent and The Most Toys), the chip was just more efficient.

In Descent, he was being FED emotions from the chip that Lore had. In The Most Toys he made a logical deduction that the fruitcake needed to be destroyed. No emotion required.

Yet what he creates tends to be total shit. Example: Ode to spot.

Purely subjective. Believe it or not, there are people who like that poem.

There are people who like to eat shit too. Those people are idiots.

[Darth Servo]

Furthermore, reviewing the OP, Data was only mentioned helping the drones in round 1.

[The Silence and I]

Furthermore, reviewing the OP, Data was only mentioned helping the drones in round 1.

Read the author's second post for clarification.

[Darth Sephiroth]

In the first one, the Droids have the advantage because of agility

In the second, well, there are aquatic battle droids.



And for the third, do any of you think that the Nemoidians cook for themselves? There has got to be some sort of cook bot if nothing else.