Dirty Little Secret...

[Crossroads Inc.]

Because where StarWars comes in, I'm sure we ALL have them, but, here goes…

I have been a member for only a short time here, and I should like to think I have slowly been able to fit in. I’ve never been a full-fledged Warsie, but I certainly am a fan of the shows ((mostly the Starships, Go Vic!)) And anyways, I have come to accept a lot of things.
Giga ton yield TurboLasers? Well, that took a lot of getting used too, but accepted. 17km long Executor? Well, no reason why it couldn’t be that big. Sensor Domes over Shield Globes? That was a given…

But, I have a dirty little secret. No, more then the fact I never read any of the EU books, somethingh else, something that, I really don’t feel I can be a full member with out getting off my chest, yet, I know the moment I do, I’m not going to be too popular. But I gotta, I couldn’t playing along with everyone else knowing I don’t agree on this one issue…

What is it? What is this horrible Dark secret in which I fear for my very online life? Well, you know how everyone mentions that the DSI was 160km? And the DSII was much MUCH bigger? I, well, I think the DSII was only 190km…
*dones Asbestos suite*

[Stravo]

Well I would think its hard to believe that when the novelization clearly states that the DSII was twice as large as the DSI as well as more powerful.

[Firefox]

And the DSII model was supposed to be five times larger than the DSI (either in diameter or volume; I can't remember). In any case, the OT:ITW states the DSII is 900km in diameter.

[Junghalli]

Well I would think its hard to believe that when the novelization clearly states that the DSII was twice as large as the DSI as well as more powerful.

Wouldn't twice as large as the DS1 make the DSII 320 km across?

[NecronLord]

In any case, the OT:ITW states the DSII is 900km in diameter.

Technically, when that and the novellisation contradict, I'm pretty sure the novellisation wins.

However, the ITW scaling was based on the film itself, hence it is more valid.

[Stravo]

Well I would think its hard to believe that when the novelization clearly states that the DSII was twice as large as the DSI as well as more powerful.

Wouldn't twice as large as the DS1 make the DSII 320 km across?

The novel says twice as large and twice as powerful or something to that effect and yeah it would mean 320km but thats certainly more than 190km. Frankly I don't care what the number truly is, its just frickin huge.

[Crossroads Inc.]

The number I'm talking about, and, the one I thought I would get into so much trouble for... is the the DSII was supposed to be 900km Which really struck me as excessive. Though, if there is still debate going on here baout it's size, I gues I'm not in as much trouble as I htought, I dunno, It was just bothering me.

[Ra]

Wierd. I had always figured DS2 was in the 600-900km range. Guess I was wrong.
- Ra

[VT-16]

I, well, I think the DSII was only 190km…

Why? And why did you spend so much time getting to the point?

[Praxis]

Well I would think its hard to believe that when the novelization clearly states that the DSII was twice as large as the DSI as well as more powerful.

Wouldn't twice as large as the DS1 make the DSII 320 km across?

Actually some quick math puts the DS2 at about 151 km going with that quote.

Assuming that twice as large means VOLUME, not diameter. Which makes more sense.

[Utsanomiko]

I, well, I think the DSII was only 190km…

Why? And why did you spend so much time getting to the point?

Because he's an annoyingly wide-eyed and awkward poster who hasn't fit in.

[Hardy]

Although I've been a fan since '97, I've actually never really given a shit about figures and fan politics until early 2004. I was moreless interested in the fast-paced action and special-effects technology involved.

My personal canon policy is rather slim, consisting of only the films, DK books, the novelization, and the interquel novels (any novel set chronologically between episodes; I can care less about this "New Republic" or the events before TPM). Fan estimates based on the canon are included in said policy. Everything else isn't part of my view of the Star Wars universe. And please do note that this is my personal view and not my take on the Official Policy.

I probably have less than $100 USD of SW merchandise, most of which are lost at this point. Compare with other fan collections.

I don't seem to have a problem with Jar Jar Binks, whatsoever.

[Crossroads Inc.]

Thank you Utsanomiko for putting that so clearly

Basically the whole reason while think #2 is Not around 900km or such, is because, well, It seems excessive, even for Palpatine! I mean, if you but the DSI which was 160km, and it worked, only minor design flaws. Inspired terror blew up planets, all that stuff. Why would you need to increase it’s size by such a MASSIVE Factor?

This isn’t a case of just scaling up something you have already built, this is a case of almost starting from scratch to redesign something several times the original size. Shoot, if you think of the volume of going from just 160km to 190km, that alone would require insane amounts of engineering.

I know that we have a whole Galaxy of resources, and that the Emperor has absolute control to do as he wishes. But, it just doesn’t ‘smell right’ too me. There is no real reason one, if Version 1.0 worked relatively ok, a tone size, that version 2.0 needs to be several times it’s size. Technically speaking, #2 should have been the Same size as #1 !

Ok, So I’m saying why I think one way about this.. And all the mountains of evidence going against me? Well, It’s not like I can ignore it, nor can I effectively refute any of it. All I can say was it sounded good at the time for the authors to make the DSII twice as big or such, so they did.

Hey, they are writers, not engineers; they don’t have to fathom the horrible scale of redesigning, and constructing a planet killer several times the size of the original. I know I can cut them slack with all of this… but doesn’t mean, on this ONE issue, I have to agree with it.

[Firefox]

Basically the whole reason while think #2 is Not around 900km or such, is because, well, It seems excessive, even for Palpatine! I mean, if you but the DSI which was 160km, and it worked, only minor design flaws. Inspired terror blew up planets, all that stuff. Why would you need to increase it’s size by such a MASSIVE Factor?

Appeal to emotion. Feeling the DSII shouldn't be so big doesn't change the fact that it looks much bigger in the movie.

[Ghost Rider]

Actually you can easily figure why it's so large.

How do you think it can fire so many times faster then the DS1?

Size has a point into why it's needed.

[Praxis]

Thank you Utsanomiko for putting that so clearly

Basically the whole reason while think #2 is Not around 900km or such, is because, well, It seems excessive, even for Palpatine! I mean, if you but the DSI which was 160km, and it worked, only minor design flaws. Inspired terror blew up planets, all that stuff. Why would you need to increase it’s size by such a MASSIVE Factor?

This isn’t a case of just scaling up something you have already built, this is a case of almost starting from scratch to redesign something several times the original size. Shoot, if you think of the volume of going from just 160km to 190km, that alone would require insane amounts of engineering.

I know that we have a whole Galaxy of resources, and that the Emperor has absolute control to do as he wishes. But, it just doesn’t ‘smell right’ too me. There is no real reason one, if Version 1.0 worked relatively ok, a tone size, that version 2.0 needs to be several times it’s size. Technically speaking, #2 should have been the Same size as #1 !

Ok, So I’m saying why I think one way about this.. And all the mountains of evidence going against me? Well, It’s not like I can ignore it, nor can I effectively refute any of it. All I can say was it sounded good at the time for the authors to make the DSII twice as big or such, so they did.

Hey, they are writers, not engineers; they don’t have to fathom the horrible scale of redesigning, and constructing a planet killer several times the size of the original. I know I can cut them slack with all of this… but doesn’t mean, on this ONE issue, I have to agree with it.

Not to mention that 900 km would make it bigger than Centerpoint. By dozens (perhaps hundreds?) of times the volume. Yet Centerpoint could blow up STARS. And this DS could only destroy planets, just like the DS1 with a tiny insignificant FRACTION of its volume?

[Praxis]

Actually you can easily figure why it's so large.

How do you think it can fire so many times faster then the DS1?

Size has a point into why it's needed.

Those explosions weren't planet sized. By the EU the DS's superlaser could be scaled down to, oh, 1/10th to take out capships in multiple shots.

[Ghost Rider]

Actually you can easily figure why it's so large.

How do you think it can fire so many times faster then the DS1?

Size has a point into why it's needed.

Those explosions weren't planet sized. By the EU the DS's superlaser could be scaled down to, oh, 1/10th to take out capships in multiple shots.

And this detracts from the fact that it could charge up a shot that fast? Yes, I know variable levels of power, but the DS1 was never rated for cap ship shots nor that level of speed.

That and other sources indicate it could fire more often at planetary targets.

As it stands, we have the DS2 firing shots in a sequence that's barely minutes apart....it shows a definite faster recharge rate that would require some interesting factors that the DS1 was said not to incorporate.

[Praxis]

Actually you can easily figure why it's so large.

How do you think it can fire so many times faster then the DS1?

Size has a point into why it's needed.

Those explosions weren't planet sized. By the EU the DS's superlaser could be scaled down to, oh, 1/10th to take out capships in multiple shots.

And this detracts from the fact that it could charge up a shot that fast? Yes, I know variable levels of power, but the DS1 was never rated for cap ship shots nor that level of speed.

That and other sources indicate it could fire more often at planetary targets.

As it stands, we have the DS2 firing shots in a sequence that's barely minutes apart....it shows a definite faster recharge rate that would require some interesting factors that the DS1 was said not to incorporate.

Okay, I will probably get my nerd license confiscated for this, but...
I'm about to quote a KJA book...


In the Jedi Academy trilogy, the Death Star prototype fully charged up (took hours lol) and when it was set on 1/10th power could fire 10 shots fairly quickly before it had to fully recharge again. It took out a moon, a Corellian corvette and actually TRIED to shoot at fighters IIRC.

So assuming the Death Star II is just a more powerful DSP, then the DS2 could have just charged up fully before the Rebels got there and fired at a lower power setting.

[Ghost Rider]

Those explosions weren't planet sized. By the EU the DS's superlaser could be scaled down to, oh, 1/10th to take out capships in multiple shots.

And this detracts from the fact that it could charge up a shot that fast? Yes, I know variable levels of power, but the DS1 was never rated for cap ship shots nor that level of speed.

That and other sources indicate it could fire more often at planetary targets.

As it stands, we have the DS2 firing shots in a sequence that's barely minutes apart....it shows a definite faster recharge rate that would require some interesting factors that the DS1 was said not to incorporate.

Okay, I will probably get my nerd license confiscated for this, but...
I'm about to quote a KJA book...


In the Jedi Academy trilogy, the Death Star prototype fully charged up (took hours lol) and when it was set on 1/10th power could fire 10 shots fairly quickly before it had to fully recharge again. It took out a moon, a Corellian corvette and actually TRIED to shoot at fighters IIRC.

So assuming the Death Star II is just a more powerful DSP, then the DS2 could have just charged up fully before the Rebels got there and fired at a lower power setting.

But as I said...it size was noted by many because of reactor. It has sources saying it could do it to planets.

If we incorparate the EU into it, the DS2 was to take down planets in the span of an hour, instead of one shot per. They cover the need for the size for the sheer factor it needed a bigger engine.

[Kazuaki Shimazaki]

Not to mention that 900 km would make it bigger than Centerpoint. By dozens (perhaps hundreds?) of times the volume. Yet Centerpoint could blow up STARS. And this DS could only destroy planets, just like the DS1 with a tiny insignificant FRACTION of its volume?

So can a itty bitty "quantum resonance" torpedo.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Why 190 km and not the old 160 km value?

Shit, if you're going to be difficult, at least tow the fucking line rather than just make shit up...

[Imperator Galacticus]

Thank you Utsanomiko for putting that so clearly

Basically the whole reason while think #2 is Not around 900km or such, is because, well, It seems excessive, even for Palpatine! I mean, if you but the DSI which was 160km, and it worked, only minor design flaws. Inspired terror blew up planets, all that stuff. Why would you need to increase it’s size by such a MASSIVE Factor?

This isn’t a case of just scaling up something you have already built, this is a case of almost starting from scratch to redesign something several times the original size. Shoot, if you think of the volume of going from just 160km to 190km, that alone would require insane amounts of engineering.

I know that we have a whole Galaxy of resources, and that the Emperor has absolute control to do as he wishes. But, it just doesn’t ‘smell right’ too me. There is no real reason one, if Version 1.0 worked relatively ok, a tone size, that version 2.0 needs to be several times it’s size. Technically speaking, #2 should have been the Same size as #1 !

Ok, So I’m saying why I think one way about this.. And all the mountains of evidence going against me? Well, It’s not like I can ignore it, nor can I effectively refute any of it. All I can say was it sounded good at the time for the authors to make the DSII twice as big or such, so they did.

Hey, they are writers, not engineers; they don’t have to fathom the horrible scale of redesigning, and constructing a planet killer several times the size of the original. I know I can cut them slack with all of this… but doesn’t mean, on this ONE issue, I have to agree with it.

Not to mention that 900 km would make it bigger than Centerpoint. By dozens (perhaps hundreds?) of times the volume. Yet Centerpoint could blow up STARS. And this DS could only destroy planets, just like the DS1 with a tiny insignificant FRACTION of its volume?

Actually...didn't Centerpoint Station destroy stars by directing waves of immense gravitational energy at a star's core, and hence the blowing up resulted? That same gravitational energy could move planets (providing a matching repulsor) or utterly devastate fleets of ships. I may be wrong here, but how can we be sure a full powered blast would blow up a planet like the Death Star could?

[Praxis]

Not to mention that 900 km would make it bigger than Centerpoint. By dozens (perhaps hundreds?) of times the volume. Yet Centerpoint could blow up STARS. And this DS could only destroy planets, just like the DS1 with a tiny insignificant FRACTION of its volume?

So can a itty bitty "quantum resonance" torpedo.

But Centerpoint did it with raw power. The quantum resonance torpedo just made the star self destruct.

[Praxis]

Thank you Utsanomiko for putting that so clearly

Basically the whole reason while think #2 is Not around 900km or such, is because, well, It seems excessive, even for Palpatine! I mean, if you but the DSI which was 160km, and it worked, only minor design flaws. Inspired terror blew up planets, all that stuff. Why would you need to increase it’s size by such a MASSIVE Factor?

This isn’t a case of just scaling up something you have already built, this is a case of almost starting from scratch to redesign something several times the original size. Shoot, if you think of the volume of going from just 160km to 190km, that alone would require insane amounts of engineering.

I know that we have a whole Galaxy of resources, and that the Emperor has absolute control to do as he wishes. But, it just doesn’t ‘smell right’ too me. There is no real reason one, if Version 1.0 worked relatively ok, a tone size, that version 2.0 needs to be several times it’s size. Technically speaking, #2 should have been the Same size as #1 !

Ok, So I’m saying why I think one way about this.. And all the mountains of evidence going against me? Well, It’s not like I can ignore it, nor can I effectively refute any of it. All I can say was it sounded good at the time for the authors to make the DSII twice as big or such, so they did.

Hey, they are writers, not engineers; they don’t have to fathom the horrible scale of redesigning, and constructing a planet killer several times the size of the original. I know I can cut them slack with all of this… but doesn’t mean, on this ONE issue, I have to agree with it.

Not to mention that 900 km would make it bigger than Centerpoint. By dozens (perhaps hundreds?) of times the volume. Yet Centerpoint could blow up STARS. And this DS could only destroy planets, just like the DS1 with a tiny insignificant FRACTION of its volume?

Actually...didn't Centerpoint Station destroy stars by directing waves of immense gravitational energy at a star's core, and hence the blowing up resulted? That same gravitational energy could move planets (providing a matching repulsor) or utterly devastate fleets of ships. I may be wrong here, but how can we be sure a full powered blast would blow up a planet like the Death Star could?

It was capable of literally ripping the core out of the star. I think that's pretty freakin' powerful.

It was also capable of nuking planets and MOVING planets through HYPERSPACE...