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Eureka! Extraordinary discovery unlocks secrets of the ancients
By David Keys and Nicholas Pyke

17 April 2005

Thousands of previously illegible manuscripts containing work by some of the greats of classical literature are being read for the first time using technology which experts believe will unlock the secrets of the ancient world.

Among treasures already discovered by a team from Oxford University are previously unseen writings by classical giants including Sophocles, Euripides and Hesiod. Invisible under ordinary light, the faded ink comes clearly into view when placed under infra-red light, using techniques developed from satellite imaging.

The Oxford documents form part of the great papyrus hoard salvaged from an ancient rubbish dump in the Graeco-Egyptian town of Oxyrhynchus more than a century ago. The thousands of remaining documents, which will be analysed over the next decade, are expected to include works by Ovid and Aeschylus, plus a series of Christian gospels which have been lost for up to 2,000 years.
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Decoded at last: the 'classical holy grail' that may rewrite the history of the world
Scientists begin to unlock the secrets of papyrus scraps bearing long-lost words by the literary giants of Greece and Rome
By David Keys and Nicholas Pyke

17 April 2005

For more than a century, it has caused excitement and frustration in equal measure - a collection of Greek and Roman writings so vast it could redraw the map of classical civilisation. If only it was legible.

Now, in a breakthrough described as the classical equivalent of finding the holy grail, Oxford University scientists have employed infra-red technology to open up the hoard, known as the Oxyrhynchus Papyri, and with it the prospect that hundreds of lost Greek comedies, tragedies and epic poems will soon be revealed.

In the past four days alone, Oxford's classicists have used it to make a series of astonishing discoveries, including writing by Sophocles, Euripides, Hesiod and other literary giants of the ancient world, lost for millennia. They even believe they are likely to find lost Christian gospels, the originals of which were written around the time of the earliest books of the New Testament.

The original papyrus documents, discovered in an ancient rubbish dump in central Egypt, are often meaningless to the naked eye - decayed, worm-eaten and blackened by the passage of time. But scientists using the new photographic technique, developed from satellite imaging, are bringing the original writing back into view. Academics have hailed it as a development which could lead to a 20 per cent increase in the number of great Greek and Roman works in existence. Some are even predicting a "second Renaissance".

Christopher Pelling, Regius Professor of Greek at the University of Oxford, described the new works as "central texts which scholars have been speculating about for centuries".

Professor Richard Janko, a leading British scholar, formerly of University College London, now head of classics at the University of Michigan, said: "Normally we are lucky to get one such find per decade." One discovery in particular, a 30-line passage from the poet Archilocos, of whom only 500 lines survive in total, is described as "invaluable" by Dr Peter Jones, author and co-founder of the Friends of Classics campaign.

The papyrus fragments were discovered in historic dumps outside the Graeco-Egyptian town of Oxyrhynchus ("city of the sharp-nosed fish") in central Egypt at the end of the 19th century. Running to 400,000 fragments, stored in 800 boxes at Oxford's Sackler Library, it is the biggest hoard of classical manuscripts in the world.

The previously unknown texts, read for the first time last week, include parts of a long-lost tragedy - the Epigonoi ("Progeny") by the 5th-century BC Greek playwright Sophocles; part of a lost novel by the 2nd-century Greek writer Lucian; unknown material by Euripides; mythological poetry by the 1st-century BC Greek poet Parthenios; work by the 7th-century BC poet Hesiod; and an epic poem by Archilochos, a 7th-century successor of Homer, describing events leading up to the Trojan War. Additional material from Hesiod, Euripides and Sophocles almost certainly await discovery.

Oxford academics have been working alongside infra-red specialists from Brigham Young University, Utah. Their operation is likely to increase the number of great literary works fully or partially surviving from the ancient Greek world by up to a fifth. It could easily double the surviving body of lesser work - the pulp fiction and sitcoms of the day.

"The Oxyrhynchus collection is of unparalleled importance - especially now that it can be read fully and relatively quickly," said the Oxford academic directing the research, Dr Dirk Obbink. "The material will shed light on virtually every aspect of life in Hellenistic and Roman Egypt, and, by extension, in the classical world as a whole."

The breakthrough has also caught the imagination of cultural commentators. Melvyn Bragg, author and presenter, said: "It's the most fantastic news. There are two things here. The first is how enormously influential the Greeks were in science and the arts. The second is how little of their writing we have. The prospect of having more to look at is wonderful."

Bettany Hughes, historian and broadcaster, who has presented TV series including Mysteries of the Ancients and The Spartans, said: "Egyptian rubbish dumps were gold mines. The classical corpus is like a jigsaw puzzle picked up at a jumble sale - many more pieces missing than are there. Scholars have always mourned the loss of works of genius - plays by Sophocles, Sappho's other poems, epics. These discoveries promise to change the textual map of the golden ages of Greece and Rome."

When it has all been read - mainly in Greek, but sometimes in Latin, Hebrew, Coptic, Syriac, Aramaic, Arabic, Nubian and early Persian - the new material will probably add up to around five million words. Texts deciphered over the past few days will be published next month by the London-based Egypt Exploration Society, which financed the discovery and owns the collection.

A 21st-century technique reveals antiquity's secrets

Since it was unearthed more than a century ago, the hoard of documents known as the Oxyrhynchus Papyri has fascinated classical scholars. There are 400,000 fragments, many containing text from the great writers of antiquity. But only a small proportion have been read so far. Many were illegible.

Now scientists are using multi-spectral imaging techniques developed from satellite technology to read the papyri at Oxford University's Sackler Library. The fragments, preserved between sheets of glass, respond to the infra-red spectrum - ink invisible to the naked eye can be seen and photographed.

The fragments form part of a giant "jigsaw puzzle" to be reassembled. Missing "pieces" can be supplied from quotations by later authors, and grammatical analysis.

Key words from the master of Greek tragedy

Speaker A: . . . gobbling the whole, sharpening the flashing iron.

Speaker B: And the helmets are shaking their purple-dyed crests, and for the wearers of breast-plates the weavers are striking up the wise shuttle's songs, that wakes up those who are asleep.

Speaker A: And he is gluing together the chariot's rail.

These words were written by the Greek dramatist Sophocles, and are the only known fragment we have of his lost play Epigonoi (literally "The Progeny"), the story of the siege of Thebes. Until last week's hi-tech analysis of ancient scripts at Oxford University, no one knew of their existence, and this is the first time they have been published.

Sophocles (495-405 BC), was a giant of the golden age of Greek civilisation, a dramatist who work alongside and competed with Aeschylus, Euripides and Aristophanes.

His best-known work is Oedipus Rex, the play that later gave its name to the Freudian theory, in which the hero kills his father and marries his mother - in a doomed attempt to escape the curse he brings upon himself. His other masterpieces include Antigone and Electra.

Sophocles was the cultured son of a wealthy Greek merchant, living at the height of the Greek empire. An accomplished actor, he performed in many of his own plays. He also served as a priest and sat on the committee that administered Athens. A great dramatic innovator, he wrote more than 120 plays, but only seven survive in full.

Last week's remarkable finds also include work by Euripides, Hesiod and Lucian, plus a large and particularly significant paragraph of text from the Elegies, by Archilochos, a Greek poet of the 7th century BC.
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Dang, that's awesome. I wonder how much more we're going to get to know about these people.
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Awwww... crap. Does this mean we're going to change our military command structure to Tetratchs and Cohortarchs?
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What if we've just found the place all the ancients threw away all the stuff they thought was rubbish? :shock:
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The Guid wrote:What if we've just found the place all the ancients threw away all the stuff they thought was rubbish? :shock:
Hey look, ancient Reader's Digest.
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Additional Christian gospels, eh? That should be interesting, assuming the Catholic Church doesn't manage to put a muzzle on the findings, should they turn up.
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It would be so damn cool if some of the ancient christian stuff included oh, say, records of primative condom use, as well as homosexual priests and marriages.
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...the newfound tragedies are expected to be incorporated in an entirely boring and tasteless way into 9th grade Language Arts curricula."

I can really see this happenning...God Antigone was so fucking boring...why can't they do any damn comedies?
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Oxford academics have been working alongside infra-red specialists from Brigham Young University, Utah
I sense some Mormonism thing going on...looking foward to some "new proof" of the "Book of Abraham" or something like that. :P
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Oxford academics have been working alongside infra-red specialists from Brigham Young University, Utah
I sense some Mormonism thing going on...looking foward to some "new proof" of the "Book of Abraham" or something like that. :P
According to my mormon brother, the Book of Abraham is no longer church gospel.
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Durandal wrote:Additional Christian gospels, eh? That should be interesting, assuming the Catholic Church doesn't manage to put a muzzle on the findings, should they turn up.
Many historians who have studied Christianity in depth already know about the other gospels. IIRC, there are actually a couple dozen gospels that didn't make it into the Bible. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were included because they were the ones being read in major centers of Christianity (Matthew in Israel, Mark in Egypt, Luke in Greece, and John in Rome, I believe). That, and the committee that decided the core canon probably found some stuff in the other gospels that they didn't like.
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:According to my mormon brother, the Book of Abraham is no longer church gospel.
I'm currently taking a class on the history of Mormonism (out of purely academic interest) and your brother is horrificly wrong on this. The Book of Abraham remains a key part of "The Pearl of Great Price", which is one of the 4 most important scriptures in the Mormon religion. Removing The Book of Abraham as part of church gospel would involve a major shakeup in Mormon theology.
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Omega18 wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:According to my mormon brother, the Book of Abraham is no longer church gospel.
I'm currently taking a class on the history of Mormonism (out of purely academic interest) and your brother is horrificly wrong on this. The Book of Abraham remains a key part of "The Pearl of Great Price", which is one of the 4 most important scriptures in the Mormon religion. Removing The Book of Abraham as part of church gospel would involve a major shakeup in Mormon theology.
Hardly a "major shakeup" as you put it. The pearl of great price is a book thats shuffled around with the old testiment. It expands on things that the bible is lacking but I would have to laugh at your "shakeup" theory.
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unbeataBULL wrote:...the newfound tragedies are expected to be incorporated in an entirely boring and tasteless way into 9th grade Language Arts curricula."

I can really see this happenning...God Antigone was so fucking boring...why can't they do any damn comedies?
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Terr Fangbite wrote:
Omega18 wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:According to my mormon brother, the Book of Abraham is no longer church gospel.
I'm currently taking a class on the history of Mormonism (out of purely academic interest) and your brother is horrificly wrong on this. The Book of Abraham remains a key part of "The Pearl of Great Price", which is one of the 4 most important scriptures in the Mormon religion. Removing The Book of Abraham as part of church gospel would involve a major shakeup in Mormon theology.
Hardly a "major shakeup" as you put it. The pearl of great price is a book thats shuffled around with the old testiment. It expands on things that the bible is lacking but I would have to laugh at your "shakeup" theory.
Agreed. The Mormon doctrine doesn't give the Pearl as much weight as others, and many hold it with the same regard as Christians do the Gospel of Peter or the Book of Enoch. Apocryphal, and not fitting. Remember, the key to mormonism is to look at the most recent translations, not the oldest.
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Ok, the degree of shakeup in Mormon theology would be relative, its not like they would be suddenly discarding The Book Of Mormon, but it would still be quite major if you're talking about discounting all of The Pearl of Great Price. Keep in mind the scripture include's Joseph Smith's "First Vision" account which is a key part of the early part Mormon Missionary conversion efforts today. While it may depend on which Mormons you're talking about, among the recent converts that part of The Pearl of Great Price would be seen as quite important. Among most religions that have been established for a significant period, any rejection of what had previously been an important part of its scriptures would be a major shift.

Keep in mind, (while admitedly the end product selectively picked which accounts to use) the work still represents depending on the section either a "translation" of previous ancient works or a direct account from Joseph Smith himself. Any attempt to deligitimize the work therefore is extremely problematic as it potentially is an attack on the religion's founder and most important figure, and therefore threatens the legitimacy of Mormonism itself.
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Omega18 wrote:Any attempt to deligitimize the work therefore is extremely problematic as it potentially is an attack on the religion's founder and most important figure, and therefore threatens the legitimacy of Mormonism itself.
I wasn't aware Mormons had legitmacy to begin with, y'know with the blatent heresy and all.

Back on topic....

I had a weird thought last night while thinking about this thread. What if all we find here are the ancient versions of "People" and "Star" magizines? Could historians get a weird view on history if these things are filled with nothing but gossip?
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That NOS Guy wrote:Back on topic....

I had a weird thought last night while thinking about this thread. What if all we find here are the ancient versions of "People" and "Star" magizines? Could historians get a weird view on history if these things are filled with nothing but gossip?
Not really, no. There may be tidbits of news in these that give a fuller picture of local history, for one; even if not, it'll give a picture of the prevalent social mores and customs back in the day, albeit a somewhat exaggerated one that will be treated with a grain of salt by any reputable historian.
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In regards to the OP, that's really sweet indeed! We could learn so much.
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They should get started on the Cliffs Notes versions right away! Generations of BAs need them! :)

Hopefully some fully sick ultra-hardcore edition will come out, and I'll be able to buy something for which the first edition was in my lifetime. Yeah, fuck you Milton! :)
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Fascinating. Perhaps I'll get to read some these when I take Latin III next semester. At least it'll make for an intresting topic to bring up in class. :)
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:Agreed. The Mormon doctrine doesn't give the Pearl as much weight as others, and many hold it with the same regard as Christians do the Gospel of Peter or the Book of Enoch. Apocryphal, and not fitting. Remember, the key to mormonism is to look at the most recent translations, not the oldest.
And the most recent scripture sets include the Book of Abraham.
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That NOS Guy wrote:I had a weird thought last night while thinking about this thread. What if all we find here are the ancient versions of "People" and "Star" magizines? Could historians get a weird view on history if these things are filled with nothing but gossip?
Well, if they start talking about alien abductions and such, we can be pretty sure we've got trash.
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