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Sounds like an interesting find. The methane got to be coming from somewhere. So mars is either biologically alive or geologically. Will most like be a point of study to come.
BOULDER, Colorado – Evidence for intense local enhancements in methane on Mars has been bolstered by ground-based observations. The methane, as well as water on Mars, was detected using state-of-the-art infrared spectrometers stationed atop Mauna Kea, Hawaii and in Cerro Pachón, Chile.

Scientific teams around the globe are on the trail of methane seeping out of Mars. And for good reason: The methane could be the result of biological processes. It could also be an "abiotic" geochemical process, however, or the result of volcanic or hydrothermal activity on the red planet.

Many types of microbes here on Earth produce a signature of methane. Indeed, the tiny fraction of atmospheric carbon found as methane on our planet is churned out almost entirely biologically with only a very small contribution from abiotic processes, scientists say
Spotlighted at this week’s meeting in terms of strong methane detection was an area on Mars east of Hellas Basin to west of Hellas Basin – and the eastern most edge of the large region where NASA’s Mars Odyssey orbiter found subsurface hydrogen in high abundance. That hydrogen is thought to be the signature of water ice, scientists said.

Moreover, for the first time, and using the Gemini South telescope, two lines of methane have been simultaneously seen on Mars. And when each is studied independently, they show a consistent abundance of methane on the planet -- within the narrow stripes across Mars scanned by the Earth-based gear.

Furthermore, the ground-based "footprint" of data extracted was contrasted with data taken in a similar time period by the Mars Global Surveyor’s (MGS) Thermal Emission Spectrometer. That Mars-orbiting MGS sensor yields information on the red planet’s surface pressure and temperature, as well as water vapor within the column of martian atmosphere the sensor is inspecting
Culling out from the data the release locales of methane on Mars is critical to the selection of future landing sites, "to search for organics that are either biological or abiotic," Mumma said. Finding out whether methane releases are seasonally dependent is also of keen interest, he said.

There is no doubt in Mumma’s mind that something is going on at Mars. "Mars was wet…was it also alive…or is it now alive?"
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As dead geologically as Mars seems, it could almost be more likely that it's little critters pumpin' this out, instead of something geochemical.

Look at earth, with our tiny fraction of of atmospheric carbon being the product of biological processes, and we've got a party going on in our mantle, compared to Mars.

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quick we must stike before the tom cruise movie comes out.
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Is it now or has it ever been... that is the question...


Well, it's not like methane is the rarest compund in the solar system; Saturn's moon, Titan, is full of the stuff. So there's no reason to get overly excited, I believe.
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Dooey Jo wrote:Is it now or has it ever been... that is the question...


Well, it's not like methane is the rarest compund in the solar system; Saturn's moon, Titan, is full of the stuff. So there's no reason to get overly excited, I believe.
The reason scientist are excite is because methane only have a half life of 300 years so something is continuing to produce it. So either way the bologist are happy or geologist or maybe both. As for Titan methane only confirmed what was suspected for quite some time.
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Dooey Jo wrote:Is it now or has it ever been... that is the question...


Well, it's not like methane is the rarest compund in the solar system; Saturn's moon, Titan, is full of the stuff. So there's no reason to get overly excited, I believe.
Mars is a fair bit warmer than Titan, and recieves a fair bit more solar energy. At those temperatures, methane simply doesn't stick around very long. As a result, for it to be found in any detectable quantity on Mars, something must be producing it. And the only two sources of methane Mars has is either geochemical, or biological.

However, there are indications that the last time Mars had a volcanic eruption was within the last few million years . . . which is a blink of an eye in geological terms. So it is entirely feasible that the Martian methane production comes entirely from natural, non-biological processes. However, on the other hand, any latent underground geothermal activity could provide a safe haven for methane producing life.

Really, finding methane on Mars is very much an exciting find.
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Addendum:

Methane is only really plentiful in the outer solar system, where it is cold enough that it sticks around as ice, or the reaction rates of the processes that would remove it are so slow as to be insignificant.

Methane is not at all plentiful in the inner solar system. It isn't present on Mercury or Venus, and it isn't present in the asteroid belt. It's only present on Earth and Mars.
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GrandMasterTerwynn wrote:Addendum:

Methane is only really plentiful in the outer solar system, where it is cold enough that it sticks around as ice, or the reaction rates of the processes that would remove it are so slow as to be insignificant.

Methane is not at all plentiful in the inner solar system. It isn't present on Mercury or Venus, and it isn't present in the asteroid belt. It's only present on Earth and Mars.
And on comets, if I'm not mistaken. My thought was that maybe it was brought there by something relatively recently. I couldn't find anything in the article to actually say how much methane they were talking about (nor do I know how much their spectrometers need in order to see it but it shouldn't be very much) so a comet impact sometime, maybe the last 200 years or so, might still be noticeable. Of course, someone should have noticed the comet itself if it was that recent, and it doesn't really explain why it's concentrated around the equator (unless it has something to do with Mars' rotation).
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We don't really know, so we should send more probes to investigate! Yes! Not only that, but we should send some people, since a geologist could do more work in a day than the rovers could do in a month, AND could analyze and interpret the data, to boot!

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Dooey Jo wrote:
GrandMasterTerwynn wrote:Addendum:

Methane is only really plentiful in the outer solar system, where it is cold enough that it sticks around as ice, or the reaction rates of the processes that would remove it are so slow as to be insignificant.

Methane is not at all plentiful in the inner solar system. It isn't present on Mercury or Venus, and it isn't present in the asteroid belt. It's only present on Earth and Mars.
And on comets, if I'm not mistaken. My thought was that maybe it was brought there by something relatively recently. I couldn't find anything in the article to actually say how much methane they were talking about (nor do I know how much their spectrometers need in order to see it but it shouldn't be very much) so a comet impact sometime, maybe the last 200 years or so, might still be noticeable. Of course, someone should have noticed the comet itself if it was that recent, and it doesn't really explain why it's concentrated around the equator (unless it has something to do with Mars' rotation).
Mars is quite well-mapped. A comet large enough to bring a noticeable level of methane to the planet would very likely make it through Mars's thin atmosphere intact. There would be an extremely, obviously brand-new impact crater where it came down. And the rate of significant cometary impacts is such that the odds of it happening on Mars within the last 300 years is, at its absolute best, slim.
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Mayabird wrote:We don't really know, so we should send more probes to investigate! Yes! Not only that, but we should send some people, since a geologist could do more work in a day than the rovers could do in a month, AND could analyze and interpret the data, to boot!

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I'm with you wholeheartedly. This discovery demands even more attention than the "Pioneer Anomaly", which I personally advocated investigating further. Sad thing is, this may be a seasonal thing (say, only in the Martian spring or summer), so it may be gone before we can send anything up there.
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Greetings, Earthlings. I can do that thing where you split your four fingers into groups of 2: fore finger+middle finger and ring finger+pinky.

BTW, don't humans also release methane through flatulence, or am I mistaken?
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