Star Wars Inconsistency

[2000AD]

it's been a while since i read SOTE so i can't remember much. I'll just have to go with what people say in matters relating to it.

[Master of Ossus]

R2 does not have the capabilities to fly a starship. Only a select few droids have the programming (and appropriate safety measures) to pilot a starship, and astromechs are not one of those. An astromechs job is to compute hyperspace jumps and also to perform basic repairs.

Most droids don't have the initiative, considering R2-D2 probably hasn't had a memory wipe in at least 30 years. Most are supposed to get one every 6 months, I think (ref. Heir to the Empire).

Actually, R2 has flown starships by himself in the past, just very small ones. He probably does not have the ability to manipulate the Falcon's quad laser turrets well enough to use them.

[Master of Ossus]

In Edge of Victory 1: Conquest, an astromech droid piloted Anakin's X-Wing for a considerable distance, even engaging with Yuuzhan Vong fighters and taking significant damage. It then piloted the X-Wing around Yavin to Anakin (using only repulsor lifts) who then used the X-Wing and the astromech to repair a small craft.

In X-Wing Alliance, Emkay is a maintenance droid that was modified to allow him to fly freighters and man weapons. That might not count as a non-pilot droid flying a starship, as he was modified to allow him to do so, but it is an example of a droid not purposefully built as a pilot flying a starship.

[SirNitram]

To add to the list of evidence, R2 flew Luke's X-wing to orbit in the Corellian Trilogy. So.

[Master of Ossus]

Droids can CLEARLY fly starships in SW.

[Soontir C'boath]

In Empire Strikes Back after the Battle of Hoth.. didn't Luke said he wanted to pilot the x-wing when R2-D2 seemingly asked Luke b4 that he wanted to fly the ship? R2 that is.

I think from that part...R2 can fly ships and prolly other types too...

Cyaround,
Jason

[Master of Ossus]

He did say that, but he might have been telling R2 that he wanted to control the ship as it moved through hyperspace (or that he wanted to be able to plot the course, or input the figures himself, etc). Any of these would be acceptable interpretations for his statement.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Anyways, this is about SW, not ST vs SW.

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[Master of Ossus]

Wanna argue about moving this one, too, DarkStar? This is another example of a topic that is clearly SW only, and so should be placed on that BBS.

[omegaLancer]

It not that Droid cannot fly starships, ( clearily R2 and other have. Then there are also the Droid Tie fighters, etc) but there seem an effort to limit droids in the type of jobs that they can perform.. you can have droid brains in targeting computer, but not pushing the trigger, perform all the support function for a star fighter, but limit when they can be pilots....

Even the act of wiping their memory blanks as a routine maintance, seem as a method of preventing their neural nets from reaching some specific point, where they begin acting as true sentient being..

only other SF where organics go to such length to keep Robotics intelligent down is in the Dune series, where thinking machine ( AI) are forbidden and consider against god......

[2000AD]

So far the droids that have piloted ships are:

1)R2D2 (numerous times)
2)A droid that has been modified so it can pilot ships. (XWing Alliance)
3)A reprogrammed R2 (SOTE)
4)Aniken's R7 (NJO:Conquest)

1)R2D2 can be considered a unique droid. He hasn't had a memory wipe since some point between Ep3 and ANH. I assume he has had some upgraded programming during the 20+ years after RoTJ

2)I don't know much about this. This droid has had some modifications allowing him to pilot ships, therefor he is a special case in that he didn't come out of the factory being able to pilot ships.

3)Janson's R2 was reprorgrammed outside it's "natural" settings therefor is also a special case, and should not be considered the norm.

4) To my knowledge Aniken's R7 did not have any special modification to enable it to pilot ships. Therefor I conclude that either:
A) R7's have the capability to pilot starships.(most likely)
or
B) After a certain time period Droids were given the ability to fly starships. (unlikely)

[Master of Ossus]

So far the droids that have piloted ships are:

1)R2D2 (numerous times)
2)A droid that has been modified so it can pilot ships. (XWing Alliance)
3)A reprogrammed R2 (SOTE)
4)Aniken's R7 (NJO:Conquest)

1)R2D2 can be considered a unique droid. He hasn't had a memory wipe since some point between Ep3 and ANH. I assume he has had some upgraded programming during the 20+ years after RoTJ

2)I don't know much about this. This droid has had some modifications allowing him to pilot ships, therefor he is a special case in that he didn't come out of the factory being able to pilot ships.

3)Janson's R2 was reprorgrammed outside it's "natural" settings therefor is also a special case, and should not be considered the norm.

4) To my knowledge Aniken's R7 did not have any special modification to enable it to pilot ships. Therefor I conclude that either:
A) R7's have the capability to pilot starships.(most likely)
or
B) After a certain time period Droids were given the ability to fly starships. (unlikely)

Don't forget the LE droid that Dash Rendar owns. According to the Essential Guide, it can fly starships (though I think it was designed to do so).

[Darth Yoshi]

Hey, that's right. In the SOTE game, Leebo flies the Outrider while Dash mans the turret. Of course, as a game, it's last on the canon and official scale, but the novel doesn't actually contradict the game.

[SirNitram]

Obviously it's not processing power, but I think it's general fear of droids.

Think about it. Droids can, if left alone, become full on sentients. They'll think for themselves totally. If they remember being ill-treated as a 'species', will they like their old masters? Probably not. Would you then want these droids capable of manning starships?

[Darth Yoshi]

I agree. Also, droids with personalities are also more idiosyncratic, and less reliable in some situations. Just look at C-3PO. He worries about death in Agents of Chaos. Droids shouldn't worry about dying.

[Master of Ossus]

Obviously it's not processing power, but I think it's general fear of droids.

Think about it. Droids can, if left alone, become full on sentients. They'll think for themselves totally. If they remember being ill-treated as a 'species', will they like their old masters? Probably not. Would you then want these droids capable of manning starships?

But they might not be able to overcome certain aspects of their programming, even when they become sentient. Very few droids, for example, have shown disloyalty to their masters. Threepio is always complaining about Luke, but he never rebels or anything.

[Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi]

Some droids were designed to be humanlike, and in a few cases, it's not a good thing, like the battle droids in TPM that communicated at the same pace as humans, and with the same stuttering.

[SirNitram]

Obviously it's not processing power, but I think it's general fear of droids.

Think about it. Droids can, if left alone, become full on sentients. They'll think for themselves totally. If they remember being ill-treated as a 'species', will they like their old masters? Probably not. Would you then want these droids capable of manning starships?

But they might not be able to overcome certain aspects of their programming, even when they become sentient. Very few droids, for example, have shown disloyalty to their masters. Threepio is always complaining about Luke, but he never rebels or anything.

Hence why such programming is in place: To keep them in line if they become sentient. That's what I was trying to convey.

[Master of Ossus]

Oh, sorry, SirNitram. I thought that you were saying they would all become like IG-88 if they were left on their own for a while. I just wanted to clear that up. You left it hanging, so I figured you wanted someone else to come in and mention that for you.

[AL]

in a new hope the death star battle, luke tells his other two pilots, "we're going in and going in at full throttle, that ought to keep those fighters off our backs." or something like that, watch the movie again. Now if he was going 75,000 km/second he and his buddies would plow into the end of the death star's trench in less than a second.

[Crown]

Full Throttle means, full acceleration, not fatsest speed!

[AL]

are you sure about that?

so if i floor my car and reach max acceleration am i not going as fast as i can go?

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

"Full throttle" doesn't automatically translate to max speed. Keep your throttle full for enough time, then eventually you'll reach your max speed.

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

So it depends on how much your initial speed when you hit full throttle, and how long you keep your throttle full.

But the fact that you're on full throttle doesn't necessarily mean that you're on max speed.

[AL]

I agree but if they accelerate to 75,000km/second then there's no time to target the exhaust port. They made their run at full speed. My point is this, Star Wars Tech is not the same as Trek tech.