Jem Hadar soldiers vs Clone Troopers

[navy_seal55]

Hey, I'm new to these forums so bear with me :p. I dont know if this has been asked before but:

Who would win; a group of Jem Hadar or Clone Troopers (both are cloned and are genetically altered after all)

Situation:

There are a group of 20 Jem Hadar and 20 Clone Troopers, both crash landed on a planet. There are equal number of supplies and the Jem Hadar has 1 month supply of Ketracel White (rationed). Who would win?

My bet would go to the Jem Hadar since they dont need eat, dont need to sleep, have excellent eye sight, and have those uber personal stealth things.

Feel free to contribute or dispute

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Clonetroopers.

[Stravo]

If the Clonetroopers get their standard weapons its very ugly (and messy) for the Jemmies.

[Adam Reynolds]

My bet would go to the Jem Hadar since they dont need eat, dont need to sleep, have excellent eye sight, and have those uber personal stealth things.

They also run into battle like screaming idiots, plus the fact that Clone troopers have helpmet mounted sensors to counter the stealth ability. And their weapons will blast destroyer droids in half so the Jem Hadar are screwed

[Isolder74]

I'd give this to the Clonetroopers.

For one reason even a month's supply for the clone troopers can be streatched out. Even the hottest desert there are ways to get water and As long as you can find shelter in the heat of the day you can do prettty well if you know what you are doing.

The main problem with the Jemmies is that they can't ration their suppies in any way at all! They have to have X Ketracil white or they either go nuts or die! Even if they never meet the Clonetroopers win because they can find ways to live off the land. A month's supplies is just a nice extra to help them get situated. Do the suppies include Heavy Repeating Blasters? If so the Jemmies are so dead before they run out of White anyway

[navy_seal55]

ok for the clone troopers, they get those rifles that they used on Geonosis. plus a pistol like the ones seen in the clone wars cartoons
Jem Hadar get whatever rifle that are considered "standard"

btw, i thought they charged like idiots because sisko told the jemmies about the vortas plan. maybe they wanted an honorable death? sorry, havent seen that episode in a while.
And wasnt there an episode where the Jem Hadar got rid of their addiction to the white?

[navy_seal55]

o and the Jemmies get what ever pistols are considered "standard"

[Elheru Aran]

Some days I wonder why we still debate SW vs ST............. *sigh*

Anyway. As stated before. Helmet sensors + ability to stretch out rations damn well + mega-powerful blasters >>>>>>>>>> hopped-up idiots with a rather lousy personal cloak and disruptors. CT's take it, pretty easily. They can just collect the Jemmies' rations and kick back for an extra month...

[Lord Revan]

Clonetroopers with DC-15 (and DC-15s) vs. jemmies. Assuming that Jem'Hadar disruptors even petrate Clonetrooper armor, Clonetroopers have advanced sensors (so Jem'Hadar cloak is probaly useless) and some sense of military tactics, plus blaster that powerfull even by SW standards. Add to this that Human have all the supplies they from most M-class planets and Jemmies have no real chance

[Darth Wong]

btw, i thought they charged like idiots because sisko told the jemmies about the vortas plan.

That explanation works for "Rocks and Shoals", but not for "Siege of AR-588". In "Siege of AR-588", they ran screaming right into a chokepoint. Luckily for them, the Feddies had no idea how to set up a killzone. I wouldn't count on that against clonetroopers.

And wasnt there an episode where the Jem Hadar got rid of their addiction to the white?

No. They found one Jem'Hadar who was not addicted to the white. They tried to figure out what caused this situation and eventually concluded that it was unique to him and could not be transferred to his men. It was probably a genetic replication error during the cloning process.

[FTeik]

Question is, are Jem'Hadar clones at all?

I mean they are different from each other, there is no original donator or a natural ancestor.

Shouldn't they be biodroids or replicants?

And while it is true, that Jem'Hadar charge screaming into their enemies, the same could be said about the clone-troopers in AOTC or the Stormtroopers on Tantive IV (without the screaming).

[FTeik]

Question is, are Jem'Hadar clones at all?

I mean they are different from each other, there is no original donator or a natural ancestor.

Shouldn't they be biodroids or replicants?

And while it is true, that Jem'Hadar charge screaming into their enemies, the same could be said about the clone-troopers in AOTC or the Stormtroopers on Tantive IV (without the screaming).

Forget to add this link about Clone-Troopers and Infantry-fighting:

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=66792

[speaker-to-trolls]

I'd say the clone troopers because of their helmet sensors. They can coordinate their actions in a way the Jem Hadar couldn't hope to. Whether or not Jem Hadar disruptors can penetrate clone trooper armour is going to be important, the Jemmies are slightly less screwed if they don't have to turn their guns right up to 'disintegrate' every time they want to kill one of the enemy.

[kahless the unforgetable]

Obviously the Jem Hadar are screwed in short order but what about the vorta

[Darth Wong]

Question is, are Jem'Hadar clones at all?

I mean they are different from each other, there is no original donator or a natural ancestor.

Shouldn't they be biodroids or replicants?

I think they're just clones with a large number of sources.

And while it is true, that Jem'Hadar charge screaming into their enemies, the same could be said about the clone-troopers in AOTC or the Stormtroopers on Tantive IV (without the screaming).

Clonetroopers, stormtroopers, and Rebels do not routinely engage in firefights which degenerate into hand-to-hand combat because of their inability to put out enough effective fire to keep enemies from running straight at them until they're in their midst. Unless it's in heavy jungle terrain or something and you pop out from behind a tree, you're not getting anywhere near a clonetrooper unit by simply running at them.

[NecronLord]

No. They found one Jem'Hadar who was not addicted to the white.

That's mind-numbingly stupid. That's their food, after all. They are all adiccted to it in the same way we're addicted to water.

[General Zod]

No. They found one Jem'Hadar who was not addicted to the white.

That's mind-numbingly stupid. That's their food, after all. They are all adiccted to it in the same way we're addicted to water.

the way that it was explained is that the ketracel white addiction was programmed into their genetics by the founders. the one jem ha'dar that wasn't addicted spent several months without his supply, and eventually managed to overcome it. unfortunately for him the group of jem ha'dar he brought with him to overcome their addictions weren't able to fare as well. so it isn't exactly essential, but they won't be able to survive without it without considerable willpower on their part.

[Darth Lucifer]

Obviously the Jem Hadar are screwed in short order but what about the vorta

What about them? I don't remember the OP throwing them into the mix. But one was there (or several) that just means more Dominion body bags to the count.

Even if the Vorta is/are there, all I have seen the Vortas do is hold the Jem Hadar on a leash (the "Ketracel White" locked in a box that only the Vorta can open) and act as negotiators/ diplomats for the Founders. I haven't seen all of DS9 so someone correct me if I say that the Vorta don't act as small unit commanders in the field of battle; they leave the fighting up to the fighters.

BTW, the Clonetroopers pwn the Jemmies for reasons already stated in this thread.

[Trekdestroyer]

At first glance the jemmies remind me of hassasins who would get pumped up on hashish and attack people. They realy have no chance against diciplined clone troopers who can use air support, tactical strikes, and have strong rifles that would rip them apart. This is a one sided fight and unneeded loss of personel.

[Isolder74]

At first glance the jemmies remind me of hassasins who would get pumped up on hashish and attack people. They realy have no chance against diciplined clone troopers who can use air support, tactical strikes, and have strong rifles that would rip them apart. This is a one sided fight and unneeded loss of personel.

I'm afraid the scenerio implies that neither side has their vehicles.

I my opinion the Clone Troopers advantage is they can survive by eating the fruit off trees and catching critters and other sources of food. The Jemmies problem is that once out of White they are screwed! The Clone troopers don't even have to fight to win this one

[Darth Wong]

No. They found one Jem'Hadar who was not addicted to the white.

That's mind-numbingly stupid. That's their food, after all. They are all adiccted to it in the same way we're addicted to water.

the way that it was explained is that the ketracel white addiction was programmed into their genetics by the founders. the one jem ha'dar that wasn't addicted spent several months without his supply, and eventually managed to overcome it. unfortunately for him the group of jem ha'dar he brought with him to overcome their addictions weren't able to fare as well. so it isn't exactly essential, but they won't be able to survive without it without considerable willpower on their part.

No, it wasn't a matter of willpower. They would actually die without it.

[Patrick Degan]

Obviously the Jem Hadar are screwed in short order but what about the vorta

Once the cloners get him, they stick a few electrodes in him. He'll talk soon enough.

[Lord Pounder]

^ More to the point Vorta are administrators. I've never once seen a Vorta in front line action except for Wayun(sp?) who was at DS9 only to keep Dukat in check.

[NecronLord]

the way that it was explained is that the ketracel white addiction was programmed into their genetics by the founders. the one jem ha'dar that wasn't addicted spent several months without his supply, and eventually managed to overcome it.

It was also explictly stated in the episode with the Iconian portal that they do not eat, and that they get their nutrients from the white. They should keel over dead if they stop it, even if they manage to control themselselves.

[CJvR]

In a one on one situation the CTs take it easy. They are just better than the Jems. However it takes a decade to grow and train a CT vs a few weeks for the Jems, quantity is a quality in itself. Cheap cannonfodder can overcome superior troops in long attrition campaigns.