Piece of Federation Propaganda giving some insight (maybe)

[Jawawithagun]

found this here http://www.trek-rpg.net/trek/core/comp_ ... tbooks.htm
check out the Dominion War Sourcebook, while it's definitive a piece of propaganda, it gives some numbers about Fleet Sizes and even for Ground Combat Units (totalling 200000 pre-war, going up to 250000 during the war *lol*)

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

It doesn't work for me. Acrobat reader all fucked up.

[The Dark]

I'm DLing all of the complete ones to scour for information.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

So far I've only skimmed through the Starbase one (the one at the top of the page).

Ugh, no pictures? That's worse than the WOTC books.

[The Dark]

According to the Spacedock, "full impulse" is .25c, a limit set by Starfleet to prevent excessive time dilation. The maximum possible is .95c, but that's with a very expensive impulse drive.

[paladin]

found this here http://www.trek-rpg.net/trek/core/comp_ ... tbooks.htm
check out the Dominion War Sourcebook, while it's definitive a piece of propaganda, it gives some numbers about Fleet Sizes and even for Ground Combat Units (totalling 200000 pre-war, going up to 250000 during the war *lol*)

It's pretty funny when you read more the source books. It shows you how yellow the Federation has become. I know the books are not canon but they do capture the spirit of the series. One source book I have on the Federation describes Star Fleet as "an organization deciated primarily to exploration and dipolmacy." Apparently Star Fleet considers defense of the Federation to be a minor and unimportant job!

Same book also mentions Rapid Response Teams. Think of them as Star Fleet version of special forces. The book says individual RRT members are assigned to starships as part of the security force when not training. This is to make the members more useful. I think RRT members would be more useful if they were under going consist training like modern special forces members.

An interesting note about this version of a ST rpg to an older version made by FASA in the 80s was how SF was envisioned. In FASA version, SF was described as a military organization deciated to the defense of the Federation and the exploration and colonization of new worlds. FASA version was set during the time of TOS and first 6 movies. I wish B&B would have used that model for SF.

[The Dark]

found this here http://www.trek-rpg.net/trek/core/comp_ ... tbooks.htm
check out the Dominion War Sourcebook, while it's definitive a piece of propaganda, it gives some numbers about Fleet Sizes and even for Ground Combat Units (totalling 200000 pre-war, going up to 250000 during the war *lol*)

It's pretty funny when you read more the source books. It shows you how yellow the Federation has become. I know the books are not canon but they do capture the spirit of the series. One source book I have on the Federation describes Star Fleet as "an organization deciated primarily to exploration and dipolmacy." Apparently Star Fleet considers defense of the Federation to be a minor and unimportant job!

Same book also mentions Rapid Response Teams. Think of them as Star Fleet version of special forces. The book says individual RRT members are assigned to starships as part of the security force when not training. This is to make the members more useful. I think RRT members would be more useful if they were under going consist training like modern special forces members.

An interesting note about this version of a ST rpg to an older version made by FASA in the 80s was how SF was envisioned. In FASA version, SF was described as a military organization deciated to the defense of the Federation and the exploration and colonization of new worlds. FASA version was set during the time of TOS and first 6 movies. I wish B&B would have used that model for SF.

I've only read two of the FASA books, which the local public library has. They both deal with Starfleet Intelligence, and they actually seem halfway competent.

[The Dark]

Found a really good quote in the Spacedock book:

"Logic and 'realism' are not in control of starship combat-the rules of Star Trek drama are."

It was specifically speaking about why they don't use every advantage they've ever developed whenever it would be useful, but it really makes for a funny line.

[Smiling Bandit]

200K?

Thats less than 4000 per planet, not counting the minor colonies and depos and station!

[Lex]

umm, that shows again how stupid the Fed's are...even Repubic Propagande was better!

[Uraniun235]

It's pretty funny when you read more the source books. It shows you how yellow the Federation has become. I know the books are not canon but they do capture the spirit of the series. One source book I have on the Federation describes Star Fleet as "an organization deciated primarily to exploration and dipolmacy." Apparently Star Fleet considers defense of the Federation to be a minor and unimportant job!

You apparently never watched early TNG...
Picard: Starfleet is not a military organization.
Riker: Combat is a minor province in the makeup of a starship captain.

Starfleet as originally written in TNG was not meant to be a military.

[Typhonis 1]

Tell me about it Im surprised they didnt paint a frelling peace sign on the hull

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

It's pretty funny when you read more the source books. It shows you how yellow the Federation has become. I know the books are not canon but they do capture the spirit of the series. One source book I have on the Federation describes Star Fleet as "an organization deciated primarily to exploration and dipolmacy." Apparently Star Fleet considers defense of the Federation to be a minor and unimportant job!

You apparently never watched early TNG...
Picard: Starfleet is not a military organization.
Riker: Combat is a minor province in the makeup of a starship captain.

Starfleet as originally written in TNG was not meant to be a military.

Ah yes. What idiots...

[paladin]

It's pretty funny when you read more the source books. It shows you how yellow the Federation has become. I know the books are not canon but they do capture the spirit of the series. One source book I have on the Federation describes Star Fleet as "an organization deciated primarily to exploration and dipolmacy." Apparently Star Fleet considers defense of the Federation to be a minor and unimportant job!

You apparently never watched early TNG...
Picard: Starfleet is not a military organization.
Riker: Combat is a minor province in the makeup of a starship captain.

Starfleet as originally written in TNG was not meant to be a military.

Star Fleet was like that for all the TNG era series. Lameway was always pointing that out with every new race Voyager encountered. "Star Fleet officers are explorers and dipolmats," typical Lameway line.

[The Dark]

Just found something good that came to my mind because of the B5/SW discussion in the OSF Forum. Keep in mind that Star Destroyers use a neutronium armor.

Some ancient, highly-advanced species developed the ability to build ships with hulls of pure neutronium-a form of matter so dense it protects the ship from nearly any form of attack. The so-called "planet killer" encountered by the U.S.S. Enterprise in 2267 is the only example of such a ship the Federation has so far discovered. Finding it impervious to phaser fire, Captain Kirk of the Enterprise destroyed it by flying the hulk of the U.S.S. Constellation NCC-1017 into the ship's "mouth" and detonating it inside the vessel.

A neutronium hull, a technology far beyond anything buildable by the Federation even in the 24th century, provides 250 Resistance against all forms of attack.

There you have it: official (but non-canonical) strong evidence (not quite proof) that the Imperial ships could not be reproduced by the Federation, as they cannot work with neutronium. They could only build unarmored variations.

[Dark Primus]

Just found something good that came to my mind because of the B5/SW discussion in the OSF Forum. Keep in mind that Star Destroyers use a neutronium armor.

Some ancient, highly-advanced species developed the ability to build ships with hulls of pure neutronium-a form of matter so dense it protects the ship from nearly any form of attack. The so-called "planet killer" encountered by the U.S.S. Enterprise in 2267 is the only example of such a ship the Federation has so far discovered. Finding it impervious to phaser fire, Captain Kirk of the Enterprise destroyed it by flying the hulk of the U.S.S. Constellation NCC-1017 into the ship's "mouth" and detonating it inside the vessel.

A neutronium hull, a technology far beyond anything buildable by the Federation even in the 24th century, provides 250 Resistance against all forms of attack.

There you have it: official (but non-canonical) strong evidence (not quite proof) that the Imperial ships could not be reproduced by the Federation, as they cannot work with neutronium. They could only build unarmored variations.

I have only heard they are using superdense duralsteel on their ships, an A-Wing crashed into the SSD bridge tower so i don't think it could have been very much if they used neutronium.

[SirNitram]

Keep in mind where the A-wing hit: The Window.

Imperial vessels are plated in dura-armour, which includes Neutronium(The source for this that comes immediately to mind is EpII ICS). Durasteel is mostly used internally.

[The Dark]

Found another one: at the beginning of the Dominion War, the Federation had a total of approximately 8,800 combat-capable ships. Of those, 30% were fighters. Thus, we can conclude that the Federation had no more than 6,200 capital ships. For every capital ship possessed by the Federation, the Empire has four ISDs.

[Isolder74]

Found another one: at the beginning of the Dominion War, the Federation had a total of approximately 8,800 combat-capable ships. Of those, 30% were fighters. Thus, we can conclude that the Federation had no more than 6,200 capital ships. For every capital ship possessed by the Federation, the Empire has four ISDs.

Those numbers would include ships like the Oberth-Class as they are considered by starfleet 'combat capable.'

[Kamakazie Sith]

Found another one: at the beginning of the Dominion War, the Federation had a total of approximately 8,800 combat-capable ships. Of those, 30% were fighters. Thus, we can conclude that the Federation had no more than 6,200 capital ships. For every capital ship possessed by the Federation, the Empire has four ISDs.

How can we conclude that? This book may be official but as everyone enjoys pointing out in ST only canon matters everything else is crap.

[Kamakazie Sith]

Found another one: at the beginning of the Dominion War, the Federation had a total of approximately 8,800 combat-capable ships. Of those, 30% were fighters. Thus, we can conclude that the Federation had no more than 6,200 capital ships. For every capital ship possessed by the Federation, the Empire has four ISDs.

Those numbers would include ships like the Oberth-Class as they are considered by starfleet 'combat capable.'

They are, what episode states this?