SW vs ST: ZULU!!!!!!!

[Isolder74]

• Imperial stormtroopers: They utterly annihilate the Zulus with automatic fire from squad support weapons such as the T-21. Even if they've got nothing but E-11's, they can still wipe them out. Moronic attempts to paint them as useless incompetents notwithstanding, they have a solid track record. They would not be taken by surprise (there has already been a prior encounter in the scenario), and the terrain is wide-open.

Yes those E-11s are pretty amazing, now:

Could someone address the issue of the 1000 Zulu E-11 blasters without implying that the E-11 blaster is as effective as a 19th century rifle, and therefore nullifying their own argument about the Storm Trooper's superior firepower?

Namely:

- 1000 Zulu blasters all firing at the camp from high ground, looking like something from "Attack of the Clones".

- The effect of blaster bolts on the wooden structures and walls, and lack of protection thereof.

- The fact that Zulu snipers effectively have tracer fire to adjust their aim.

You are discounting the fact that the Zulus would have no way of know how to use their captured weapons properly. The tracers would also compermise the 'sniper's' position allowing the Stormtrooper to wipe them out faster. If the follow the convension the Zulus showed in the real battle the first to volleys will simply fly over the defenders heads cause they will fire at too high an angle. also i didn't make it clear but the buildings woould be each force's equivilent of the building not the original buildings.

[Zoink]

You are discounting the fact that the Zulus would have no way of know how to use their captured weapons properly.

They somehow figured out how to use cartridge loading guns... the difference is that aiming, effective range, and rate of fire are vastly different.

Originally, the Zulus have no idea where the bullets were going, they could have been pointing directly at the camp, with the bullets falling short. Not so with blasters.

Assumption:
Storm Troopers don't disable/turn-off their weapons the split second before they die. The captured weapons are ready to fire. Pull the trigger and they shoot, adjust where you point them at so that the glowing things go towards the camp.

Are you now adding that the 1000 hand-weapons are useless because they can't shoot them?? Why did you give them to the Zulu in the first place then??? You could give them an aircraft carrier too then cause it would be equally pointless.

The tracers would also compermise the 'sniper's' position allowing the Stormtrooper to wipe them out faster.

They can fire from the cover of higher ground. They also have 10x the firepower. So the troopers are going to repel 1000 blasters with 100 blasters, all the while mowing down 3000 attackers? What percentage of the troopers are oriented towards and firing apon the cliffs?

i didn't make it clear but the buildings woould be each force's equivilent of the building not the original buildings.

So are you adding that the troopers are in fortified bunkers??? There's a *slight* difference.

It also makes a huge difference for the other groups as well. 100 Feds in fortified building would probably win too. Heck, anyone could just get into the building, lock the door, let the Zulus bang sticks on the walls until they get tired and go home.

In that case every group you listed would win, without a problem. With the incompetant Zulus shooting the blasters/phasers in the air, and the 3000 charging blindly against a building the have no chance of breaching... its pointless.

[Lex]

may i ask who lead the Zulu's???

[Isolder74]

not fortified bunkers a simple hospital and supply depot

[Isolder74]

may i ask who lead the Zulu's???

An old Zulu Dude I don't think they ever found out his name

[Patrick Ogaard]

Its Thermal Detonator, and Storm troopers do not normally carry them. Only Engineers normally have them and they use them as emplaced demolitions, not grenades.

According to the SW Visual Dictionary, every stormtrooper is issued a thermal detonator as standard gear, to be worn as part of standard battle dress. Specifically, the thermal detonator, with a 5 meter blast radius, is the cylindrical object worn at the back of the equipment belt (and happens to be a dead ringer for a WW2 Wehrmacht gas mask container). Apparently stormtrooper thermal detonators are relatively stable, since none of the stormtroopers blew up spontaneously in the movies, but perhaps the notorious instability of thermal detonators can be attributed to cheap and unreliable black market weapons.

Given that, unless they had already used them previously, the stormtroopers would have access to more than a hundred thermal detonators.

[Sea Skimmer]

Its Thermal Detonator, and Storm troopers do not normally carry them. Only Engineers normally have them and they use them as emplaced demolitions, not grenades.

According to the SW Visual Dictionary, every stormtrooper is issued a thermal detonator as standard gear, to be worn as part of standard battle dress. Specifically, the thermal detonator, with a 5 meter blast radius, is the cylindrical object worn at the back of the equipment belt (and happens to be a dead ringer for a WW2 Wehrmacht gas mask container). Apparently stormtrooper thermal detonators are relatively stable, since none of the stormtroopers blew up spontaneously in the movies, but perhaps the notorious instability of thermal detonators can be attributed to cheap and unreliable black market weapons.

Given that, unless they had already used them previously, the stormtroopers would have access to more than a hundred thermal detonators.

WEG, which is the original source for all detonator information, stated that the Imperial standard detonators are not normally issued because of instability.

[Patrick Ogaard]

Its Thermal Detonator, and Storm troopers do not normally carry them. Only Engineers normally have them and they use them as emplaced demolitions, not grenades.

According to the SW Visual Dictionary, every stormtrooper is issued a thermal detonator as standard gear, to be worn as part of standard battle dress. Specifically, the thermal detonator, with a 5 meter blast radius, is the cylindrical object worn at the back of the equipment belt (and happens to be a dead ringer for a WW2 Wehrmacht gas mask container). Apparently stormtrooper thermal detonators are relatively stable, since none of the stormtroopers blew up spontaneously in the movies, but perhaps the notorious instability of thermal detonators can be attributed to cheap and unreliable black market weapons.

Given that, unless they had already used them previously, the stormtroopers would have access to more than a hundred thermal detonators.

WEG, which is the original source for all detonator information, stated that the Imperial standard detonators are not normally issued because of instability.

True enough, but that same source material gives free-fall thermal detonators as part of the standard weaponry of TIE bombers. A weapon robust enough to be carried onboard a no-frills bomber and then dropped out a bomb chute can't actually be all that over-delicate. Also, in the short story collection "Tales of the Bounty Hunters," specifically "Of Possible Futures: The Tale of Zuckuss and 4-LOM," a Rebel uses thermal detonators like grenades, plucking them from a crate full of thermal detonators.

[Sea Skimmer]

According to the SW Visual Dictionary, every stormtrooper is issued a thermal detonator as standard gear, to be worn as part of standard battle dress. Specifically, the thermal detonator, with a 5 meter blast radius, is the cylindrical object worn at the back of the equipment belt (and happens to be a dead ringer for a WW2 Wehrmacht gas mask container). Apparently stormtrooper thermal detonators are relatively stable, since none of the stormtroopers blew up spontaneously in the movies, but perhaps the notorious instability of thermal detonators can be attributed to cheap and unreliable black market weapons.

Given that, unless they had already used them previously, the stormtroopers would have access to more than a hundred thermal detonators.

WEG, which is the original source for all detonator information, stated that the Imperial standard detonators are not normally issued because of instability.

True enough, but that same source material gives free-fall thermal detonators as part of the standard weaponry of TIE bombers. A weapon robust enough to be carried onboard a no-frills bomber and then dropped out a bomb chute can't actually be all that over-delicate. Also, in the short story collection "Tales of the Bounty Hunters," specifically "Of Possible Futures: The Tale of Zuckuss and 4-LOM," a Rebel uses thermal detonators like grenades, plucking them from a crate full of thermal detonators.

A thermal detonator inside of a TIE bomb is less likely to be kicked or landed on then one on the belt or in the hand of a Stormtrooper. After all, napalm got used heavily for decades on aircraft, but no one ever issued napalm hand grenades. Couple designs did get thrown around though..

[Isolder74]

There are only LIGHT WEAPONS availible so they wouldn't have Thermal Detonators! Anyway this outpost was never intended to be a fortress.

[Sea Skimmer]

There are only LIGHT WEAPONS availible so they wouldn't have Thermal Detonators! Anyway this outpost was never intended to be a fortress.

Hand grenades are considered light weapons.

[Isolder74]

There are only LIGHT WEAPONS availible so they wouldn't have Thermal Detonators! Anyway this outpost was never intended to be a fortress.

Hand grenades are considered light weapons.

Light Detonators yes, but not the monstrosity Leia pulled out in her Bossk Disguise. I beleive those units have blast radious of 2.5 meters. Regardless, the Zulus wouldn'tsurvivethefirst full frontal assault. And I have reveiwed AOTC and all I see it do is show what Stormtroopers would be capable of in a real battle. The weapons seen used look close enough to Stormtrooper weapons in look and capabiity that my choice in leaving Clonetroopers out is justified.

[Vympel]

Ok, maybe not a Barret, I exagerrated. But you get my idea, the dc-17 is a LOT bigger than an E-11, and has a co-responding firepower increase.

You're confused. We don't see the DC-17 in the film- it's in the Visual Dictionary. The big gun we see is called something else- I don't remember. The DC-17 is the same size as the E-11.

[Sea Skimmer]

Ok, maybe not a Barret, I exagerrated. But you get my idea, the dc-17 is a LOT bigger than an E-11, and has a co-responding firepower increase.

You're confused. We don't see the DC-17 in the film- it's in the Visual Dictionary. The big gun we see is called something else- I don't remember. The DC-17 is the same size as the E-11.

Dc-17? I'm only aware of a DH-17 which is what the Corvettes crew has in ANH. If you mean what this trooper has..



That is the T-21, standard Imperial squad support weapon.

[Vympel]

Ok, maybe not a Barret, I exagerrated. But you get my idea, the dc-17 is a LOT bigger than an E-11, and has a co-responding firepower increase.

You're confused. We don't see the DC-17 in the film- it's in the Visual Dictionary. The big gun we see is called something else- I don't remember. The DC-17 is the same size as the E-11.

Dc-17? I'm only aware of a DH-17 which is what the Corvettes crew has in ANH. If you mean what this trooper has..



That is the T-21, standard Imperial squad support weapon.

As I said in my first post pages back, the DH-17 and DC-17 are different. The DC-17 is an E-11 type carbine you see in the Visual Dictionary.

[Vympel]

The weapon the trooper is carrying in the background (and which Chewie uses on the Death Star) is probably the Stormtrooper equivalent to the Clonetrooper massive fuckoff weapon we see on Geonosis.

[Isolder74]

This is getting entirely off topic. Shall we stick to the original list please.

[Isolder74]

The weapon the trooper is carrying in the background (and which Chewie uses on the Death Star) is probably the Stormtrooper equivalent to the Clonetrooper massive fuckoff weapon we see on Geonosis.

It appears so, The Rebels would have similer equiptment as would the Battle Droids

[Sea Skimmer]

The weapon the trooper is carrying in the background (and which Chewie uses on the Death Star) is probably the Stormtrooper equivalent to the Clonetrooper massive fuckoff weapon we see on Geonosis.

It appears so, The Rebels would have similer equiptment as would the Battle Droids

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