Species 8472 vs The Galactic Empire

Sovereign · Post by **Sovereign** » 2002-11-17 07:24pm

An 8472 Bio-Ship can range in size but the onse seen in Voyager were mostly 200+ meters. This gave them great maneuverability against ships several times bigger than them. There weapons are extremely powerful. They can damage a vessel or throw it off course even if they miss. We have seen them tear a borg ship apart even with its shields up. When nine Bio-Ships combine energy they can destroy planets.

Against the Empire we can believe that the Bio-Ship will out maneuver any Star Destroyer. Several blows into the shield generaters on a Star Destroyer will bring their shields down. Against the Death Star or Super Star Destroyer is pretty easy too. All They would do is combine nine ships and fire. If a Fleet protecting them stood in the Bio-Ships way, then they would just swarm all over. Species 8472 can also travel to any point in the universe when ever they want.

starfury · Post by **starfury** » 2002-11-17 07:34pm

well look who is back. I'll let the rest of SD.net tear you into shred later.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2002-11-17 07:34pm

Stop trolling. There's already a thread on them here. Someone shut this down.

Darth Balls · Post by **Darth Balls** » 2002-11-17 07:35pm

So in the other thread you said size was an advantage and now you say lack of size is an advantage? Right....

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2002-11-17 07:38pm

So, you disappear for acouple of weeks, and then come back trying to debate a completely different topic.

So, on the Borg vs. Empire topic I would proudly like to proclaim;

Consesion Acepted

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2002-11-17 07:59pm

Sovereign wrote:An 8472 Bio-Ship can range in size but the onse seen in Voyager were mostly 200+ meters.

WTF? Range in size? Do you mean that they have two different ships? The standard one and the planet killer.

This gave them great maneuverability against ships several times bigger than them.

Yet they seem to be unable to dodge a photon torp in Scorpion, which even the large S'ona ships can do.

There weapons are extremely powerful.

Proof?

They can damage a vessel or throw it off course even if they miss.

Which means they bleed off energy like hell, so the father away they are the less damage they do.

We have seen them tear a borg ship apart even with its shields up.

So, a ISD can do the same, hell even smaller ships can do it.

When nine Bio-Ships combine energy they can destroy planets.

They can combine energy into a special Bio-Ships, and use a chain reaction to destroy the planet.

Against the Empire we can believe that the Bio-Ship will out maneuver any Star Destroyer.

Cause ISDs are much fucking larger Capital ships. The Bio-Ship in Scorpion missed a fleeing Voyager, imagine them hitting a much smaller much more manuveable TIE-Bomber.

Several blows into the shield generaters on a Star Destroyer will bring their shields down.

Oh fuck, not this stupid shit again, an ISD's shield generaters are INSIDE THE FUCKING SHIELDS. THE GLOBES ARE NOT SHIELD GENERATORS. READ FUCKING CANON MATERIAL!

Against the Death Star or Super Star Destroyer is pretty easy too.

See above.

All They would do is combine nine ships and fire.

And hit a shield with a beam which causes a chain reaction in planets to make them explode, prove they will work on shields, and could survive long enough to pull off that attack.

If a Fleet protecting them stood in the Bio-Ships way, then they would just swarm all over.

Oh yes, you see, Wars has pretty good accuracy, hitting ships the size of a bus, with reasonable accuracy. And don't give me that crap about the ships on the DS, those were anti-cap ship HTLs not designed to target starfighters.

Species 8472 can also travel to any point in the universe when ever they want.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't seen them do this, just them coming out of the Northern pasage way or what not.

Sovereign · Post by **Sovereign** » 2002-11-17 08:00pm

Ultimate Power!

Can See How Big They Are.

They can survive in space

I am Not done with the Borg, They will come into play later.

Darth Balls · Post by **Darth Balls** » 2002-11-17 08:05pm

If brains were food you would be an ethiopian.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2002-11-17 08:11pm

Sovereign wrote:Ultimate Power!
http://www.stinsv.com/VOy/640ship/8472plan.jpg

Yes the chain reaction planet killer, see above.

http://www.stinsv.com/VOy/640ship/borg8472.jpg

http://www.stinsv.com/VOy/640borg/borgblow.jpg

Yeah, they can destroy borg cubes, so can ISDs, but ISDs can destroy about 100 a second.

Can See How Big They Are.
http://www.stinsv.com/VOy/640char/8472body.jpg

Wow, and that means what?

They can survive in space
http://www.stinsv.com/VOy/640char/8472hull.jpg

So fucking what? Not like they'll be able to stand up against a Space Trooper with a Micro-Proton Torp luancher.

I am Not done with the Borg, They will come into play later.

You have to prove that the borg have 2,500,00,000 cubes just to counter the Empire's ISDs, good fucking luck.

Yo shit head, you have to make points and arguements to fucking debate. Not just post pictures and and other people's work.

I just want to say this:
LEARN TO DEBATE OR FUCKING LEAVE THE FORUM!

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2002-11-17 08:12pm

Whoops left a 0 off my 2.5 billion Cube figure.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2002-11-17 08:13pm

D'oh again, it's 2.25 billion Borg Cubes needed to kill 25k ISDs.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2002-11-17 08:14pm

Darth Balls wrote:If brains were food you would be an ethiopian.

If only you knew. Incase you missed the last thread started by this hatfucker, he quoted material from a Furry site like it was canon.

Darth Balls · Post by **Darth Balls** » 2002-11-17 08:16pm

Remember, those 2.25 billion borg cubes are destroyed along with the 25k star destroyers. BUT...it's ONLY the Star Destroyers that are destroyed. The Empire still has plenty of other warships up it's sleeve.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-11-17 08:30pm

Tolling moron detected!

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-11-17 08:34pm

Don't forget how good SW targeting is. In TPM the Federation ships were able to selectively destroy droids on the Queen's ship while it was trying to get away. The droids are R2 type units. (idea from Mike's page on TPM)

I think they would be able to handle the bio-ships.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-11-17 08:45pm

Fuckshit thinks random pictures mean anything.

And YOU NEED TO GO THROUGH THE SHIELDS TO HIT THE GENERATOR DUMBASS! Of course, they're also internally mounted.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-11-17 08:49pm

Sovereign wrote:Ultimate Power!
http://www.stinsv.com/VOy/640ship/8472plan.jpg
http://www.stinsv.com/VOy/640ship/borg8472.jpg
http://www.stinsv.com/VOy/640borg/borgblow.jpg
Can See How Big They Are.
http://www.stinsv.com/VOy/640char/8472body.jpg
They can survive in space
http://www.stinsv.com/VOy/640char/8472hull.jpg
I am Not done with the Borg, They will come into play later.

Wow, a bunch of huge pics that you decided to be a dick and not link are what you consider a rebuttal.

Do us all a favor and die. Now please.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-11-17 09:03pm

Sovereign wrote:An 8472 Bio-Ship can range in size but the onse seen in Voyager were mostly 200+ meters.

We onhly ever saw the 200 meter variety, but without any sort of proof you are going to claim new ships?

This gave them great maneuverability against ships several times bigger than them.

Show rates of accleleration and manuverability. ISDs pull 4000 G and IIRC have a turn radius of 2 seconds for 45 degrees. Show that Bioships are better. All we ever saw them against was cubes, which make ISDs look like a Delta & by comparrison.

There weapons are extremely powerful.

Yet Voyager wasn't destroyed when it was hit. Let us say that it was a glancing blow that only did 1% damage and that Voyagers shields are 1 GT. That still means they don't have the power of a MTL

They can damage a vessel or throw it off course even if they miss. We have seen them tear a borg ship apart even with its shields up.

Which simply shows that they have an extra component to them rather then being DET like they would need to be.

When nine Bio-Ships combine energy they can destroy planets.

No, 9 can start a chain reaction that destroyes planets. They do not do it by DET

Against the Empire we can believe that the Bio-Ship will out maneuver any Star Destroyer.

"we" meaning you, and without any numbers to back it up.

Several blows into the shield generaters on a Star Destroyer will bring their shields down.

First you have to overcome the threshold, then wear downthe shieldsm then punch through the armor to get to that point. Forgot to mention that bit, didn't you?

Against the Death Star or Super Star Destroyer is pretty easy too. All They would do is combine nine ships and fire.

First off the shields mean there is no contact, and ergo no chain reaction. Secondly, it takes 4 minutes for he group to charge up and fire. HTLs fire once every 2 seconds, lighter TLs faster. Each of them can kill a bioship. You don't even get the shot off.

If a Fleet protecting them stood in the Bio-Ships way, then they would just swarm all over.
So just throw wave after wave of them agaisnt superior forces that slaughter them until they break through? Yeah, that worked great in WW1 against the trenches.
Species 8472 can also travel to any point in the universe when ever they want.

Provide proof of their travel time, and of that range. All we have ever seen is them pop up in Borg space and shadow voyager. This does not translate into your claims.

Sovereign · Post by **Sovereign** » 2002-11-18 03:38pm

Does anybody watch the show or do you all just take this web sites word for it?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-11-18 03:40pm

Sovereign wrote:Does anybody watch the show or do you all just take this web sites word for it?

I watch the show. You apparantly just jerk off to DITL.

Darth Balls · Post by **Darth Balls** » 2002-11-18 04:06pm

Sovereign wrote:Does anybody watch the show or do you all just take this web sites word for it?

Do you do anything besides post pictures to support your case? Pictures which I might add prove absolutly nothing.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-11-18 04:12pm

I see he still is using pointless buzz words and pictures and somewhere his feeble little mind believes this sways anyone.

Darth Balls · Post by **Darth Balls** » 2002-11-18 04:46pm

I take it back, his pictures do prove that....hey...every once in a while their weapons work!!!

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-11-18 05:07pm

This debate has already been done, but just for quick reference, DITL is not a reasonable source for information. It has been proven to be grossly biased in the past, and much of its information is inaccurate.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-11-18 05:18pm

Can we kill him now, Papa Smurf?

Hmpf... Stupid bitch.

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