Tantive IV - Why Fight?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-04-24 11:26pm

Smuggler's run wrote:two reasons. u coulda got a lucky shot.
or u might distract them y u run for hyperspace.

Please don't ever type like that again...

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2005-04-24 11:30pm

Also these rebel soldiers were Aldeeraanian Royal Army units rather than rebel army units(they can claim they are defending a consulor ship from hostile attack) and they can calim they are only defending themselves. Now this is probably why Vader had to come up with the excuse to keep the Senate happy. He can't just have Senator Leia Organna go missing without some explaination.

Smuggler's run · Post by **Smuggler's run** » 2005-04-24 11:43pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Smuggler's run wrote:two reasons. u coulda got a lucky shot.
or u might distract them y u run for hyperspace.
Please don't ever type like that again...

i am what i am.....

Seele · Post by **Seele** » 2005-04-24 11:51pm

Maybe the Devastator hailed them telling them to power down and prepare to be boarded for a search like a traffic stop but Tantive IV just bolted. Leaving no choice for an "incident" that might came sympathy from the Senate.

Icehawk · Post by **Icehawk** » 2005-04-25 01:53am

Now that I think of it, the crew of the Tantive IV SHOULDNT have even put up any resistance at all. Wasnt it officially and Imperial vessel with an Imperial diplomatic crew after all? Leia was offically a member of the Imperial senate. Sure everyone on it was really a Rebel, but if they had just played along with their official roles, instead of revealing their true intentions by trying to escape and then fight things could have gone much smoother for them.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-04-25 01:54am

Unless they were attacked outright in the first place.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-04-25 02:03am

Icehawk wrote:Now that I think of it, the crew of the Tantive IV SHOULDNT have even put up any resistance at all. Wasnt it officially and Imperial vessel with an Imperial diplomatic crew after all? Leia was offically a member of the Imperial senate. Sure everyone on it was really a Rebel, but if they had just played along with their official roles, instead of revealing their true intentions by trying to escape and then fight things could have gone much smoother for them.

And let the Imperials find the Death Star plans on their ship? Don't think so.

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2005-04-25 02:15am

Question... If Vader knew the plans were on the ship, why not blow it up?

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-04-25 02:18am

Crossroads Inc. wrote:Question... If Vader knew the plans were on the ship, why not blow it up?

Question the prisoners.

Make sure they didn't transmit the plans to another ship or base.

Tracing the signal to the ship isn't 100% reliable (nothing ever is). You need to confirm that they really did have the plans.

Learning the location of the rebel base.

Just to name a few.

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2005-04-25 02:45am

Ah! Well in that case my orginal point stands. The ship knows it's screwed, but won't be killed, so give those Imperials a great big "UP YOURS" and shoot it with all you have!

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-04-25 03:27am

There seems to be the impression that Darth Vader would respect due process. He wouldn't - he's a goddamn Sith Lord. He knew they were spies. Saying '"nuh uh, we're a diplomatic ship" would just result in him employing seventy interrogation droids instead of one.

Burak Gazan · Post by **Burak Gazan** » 2005-04-25 03:56am

Crossroads Inc. wrote:Question... If Vader knew the plans were on the ship, why not blow it up?

You can't interrogate a cloud of radioactive gas

Plus, " I have traced the Rebel Spies to her; now, SHE is my only link to them! "

Vader needed Leia alive, the rest of the crew is expendable.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2005-04-25 10:58am

Couldn't they simply have beamed the plans somehwere else? In AOTC it is clearly shown that communications technology allows them to send transmissions from the Outer Rim (Geonosis and Kamino) to the Core (Coruscant) nearly instantly. So why didn't the Tantive simply pass on the plans to somoene else before they fell into Imperial hands. Vader tears the ship apart, finds nothing, instant diplomatic incident.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2005-04-25 11:06am

Stravo wrote:Couldn't they simply have beamed the plans somehwere else? In AOTC it is clearly shown that communications technology allows them to send transmissions from the Outer Rim (Geonosis and Kamino) to the Core (Coruscant) nearly instantly. So why didn't the Tantive simply pass on the plans to somoene else before they fell into Imperial hands. Vader tears the ship apart, finds nothing, instant diplomatic incident.

Because those transmissions could also be jammed. Not only that, but the transmissions could be tracked to Tantive IV, thus it follows that they can be tracked from Tantive IV. If Antilles and Leia beamed them to Yavin then that's a glorious buttfucking 'whoopsie daisy!' in the works. The other alternative is to beam it to another mobile asset, trouble with that is, there may not be any active or in range (assuming the last is a problem, and the first would definitely be a problem considering the speed in which an Imperial response would be).

So the problem would be: jamming, and enemy tracking.

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2005-04-25 11:11am

Stravo wrote:Couldn't they simply have beamed the plans somehwere else? In AOTC it is clearly shown that communications technology allows them to send transmissions from the Outer Rim (Geonosis and Kamino) to the Core (Coruscant) nearly instantly. So why didn't the Tantive simply pass on the plans to somoene else before they fell into Imperial hands. Vader tears the ship apart, finds nothing, instant diplomatic incident.

They already know.

ISB Ch.3 wrote:The agents in Media sarcastically refer to Signal as "a group of beings who sort through the garbage in order to discover what a family said to each other at breakfast." Signal does occasionally overreach itself, applying blindingly sophisticated mathematical techniques to squeeze nonexistent meanings from chaotic data. However, it was Signal which discovered that Leia Organa had the plans to the Death Star through the analysis of unshielded ELEL (Extremely Low Energy Level) transmissions from her ship.

It stands to reason that if they transmit, they'd be able to analyze what was being sent, even if it is coded. They might as well confess.

Under these circumstances, there might not quite be enough for "beyond reasonable doubt", but there is certainly enough to logically deduce what had happened if they now find an empty memory bank. After that would be efficient interrogation using both humane and inhumane means to extract an appropriate confession.

Grand Admiral Mango · Post by **Grand Admiral Mango** » 2005-04-25 11:25am

Crossroads Inc. wrote:Ah! Well in that case my orginal point stands. The ship knows it's screwed, but won't be killed, so give those Imperials a great big "UP YOURS" and shoot it with all you have!

Besides, they probably assumed that they were going to die a long, painful death. Why dont go out in a blaze of glory?

CJvR · Post by **CJvR** » 2005-04-25 11:33am

Stofsk wrote:Not only that, but the transmissions could be tracked to Tantive IV, thus it follows that they can be tracked from Tantive IV. If Antilles and Leia beamed them to Yavin then that's a glorious buttfucking 'whoopsie daisy!' in the works.

Dump it into a few anonymus com-sats and broadcast it to everyone.

*@*
Subject: Imperial doomsday device.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2005-04-25 11:38am

CJvR wrote:
Stofsk wrote:Not only that, but the transmissions could be tracked to Tantive IV, thus it follows that they can be tracked from Tantive IV. If Antilles and Leia beamed them to Yavin then that's a glorious buttfucking 'whoopsie daisy!' in the works.
Dump it into a few anonymus com-sats and broadcast it to everyone.

*@*
Subject: Imperial doomsday device.

But Tantive IV is being jammed (I consider that highly likely). So no dice.

And besides, when was the last time Al Qaeda emailed you their plans to hit the Infidel and Great Shatan? Hotmail probably blocked it and lumped it with the junkmail, where it seems to place a lot of things (like messages from people you were expecting). The holonet probably would treat it like spam: "What? The same message being sent to a trillion recepients? Chain mail = blocked."

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-04-25 12:08pm

Using what holonet? The Empire restricted it to Moffs and Military leaders, and demolished the once glorious Republic holonet. To receive, you'd need a hyperwave receiver pointed at the Tantaive.

Freeman's Trigger-Finger · Post by **Freeman's Trigger-Finger** » 2005-04-25 02:04pm

these rebel soldiers were Aldeeraanian Royal Army units rather than rebel army units

Which may account for the Tantive IV putting up a fight in the first place. They may be massively overwhelmed ship-to-ship, but they may have considered themselves a favourable match against imperial forces.

There seems to be the impression that Darth Vader would respect due process. He wouldn't - he's a goddamn Sith Lord. He knew they were spies. Saying '"nuh uh, we're a diplomatic ship" would just result in him employing seventy interrogation droids instead of one.

Did the crew of the Tantive IV have any idea that Vader was aboard the Devastator? Leia seemed genuinely suprised when she brings up the 'the imperial senate will not distill for this' crap, when forced to meet Vader aboard the seized ship. If the rebels had any idea a Sith Lord was aboard, perhaps they would have been less hasty with their choice of force.

Tychu · Post by **Tychu** » 2005-04-29 07:19pm

i think it really comes down to that, if they fight and die it would gain sympathy for the Rebellion in the Senate, i mean the Empire can say all they want, that they didnt kill them but alot of Senate members like the Rebellion and will still say "Hey they still died, someone still killed them, lets feel sorry for them"

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2005-04-29 07:50pm

Seele wrote:Maybe the Devastator hailed them telling them to power down and prepare to be boarded for a search like a traffic stop but Tantive IV just bolted. Leaving no choice for an "incident" that might came sympathy from the Senate.

They were. Over Toprawa. They made a break for it and were followed to Tatooine by the Devastator; all bets were off after that.

xammer99 · Post by **xammer99** » 2005-04-30 01:21pm

Why Fight? Simple. It buys time. If they are shooting they can't just be tractor'd into the bay and boarded. instead the imperials have to take even more time to disable the guns and reactor before drawing them in. Thats why they put up the fight. A corvette has no chance against a star destroyer, so they were buying every second they could for something to be done to save their cargo.

Cykeisme · Post by **Cykeisme** » 2005-05-01 01:14am

I think the line "inform the senate that all on board were killed" pretty much shows that whatever happened, Vader had no intention of allowing anyone to get away.

The Imperials should not have been firing on a consular ship carrying an ambassador anyway... by attacking and boarding the Tantive IV, their intention is clear: let no one live to talk about it.

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2005-05-01 01:31am

Cykeisme wrote:I think the line "inform the senate that all on board were killed" pretty much shows that whatever happened, Vader had no intention of allowing anyone to get away.

The Imperials should not have been firing on a consular ship carrying an ambassador anyway... by attacking and boarding the Tantive IV, their intention is clear: let no one live to talk about it.

To be fair, he does have reasonable cause. Senator should not mean total immunity. She had already "accidentally" trepassed highly restricted (yeah, who would believe a navigation error would just you next to Toprawa out of all the space in the galaxy)? Intel had already intercepted ELEL transmissions saying she got the plans. Stopping the Tantive IV is perfectly reasonable. Honestly, killing Leia is perfectly reasonable. Treason = death.