Environmental Heresies

[ArmorPierce]

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Whatever. When they start forming civilizations and sophisticated language I might be impressed.

They do show sophisticated language. Kind of hard to start forming civilizations with their limited ability to manipulate the environment around them.

Orcas "appeared to show grief"? Gosh.

That indicates deaper thinking

Incidentally, nice hasty generalization fallacy. "Dolphins are teh smart. No one can eat ANY marine mammal."

Hey, retard., I didn't say anything about other marine mammals, I was asking you just about dolphins.

Nice bait and switch. I repeat. NEWBORN BOVINES ARE SMARTER THAN NEWBORN HUMAN INFANTS.It matters precisely jack and shit how smart their young are compared with ours. In any case, it is hard enough to create a culture blind IQ test. Now you are claiming that there have been species blind tests?

How the hell is this bait and switch? I was talkinga bout chimpanzees, then you brought up bovines and I continued talking about chimps. I was NOT talking about newborn human infants... unless you consider 5 year olds new borns.

How smart do you consider 5 year old humans? This indicates that they have mental capacity that at least surpasses that of a 5 year old human child and since they are of equal age you expect the chimp would become smarter as it grows to adulthood too.

In any case, it is hard enough to create a culture blind IQ test. Now you are claiming that there have been species blind tests?

This is not an IQ test. It is a simple problem solving puzzle. I see where you are going here. You are saying that it is impossbile to guage animal intelliegence, therefore you're right.

[ArmorPierce]

That indicates deaper thinking

That should be deeper. There should be something that allows you to edit within the first 5 minutes of the post or something.

[Bob the Gunslinger]

Do you think that we should be able to hunt and eat chimps?

Don't certain tribes already do that?

"Chimps are people too!" + "Tribes are sacred!" = BRAIN EXPLOSION!

And regarding dolphins, I say that if they're smart enough to talk, use tools, and gang-rape female dolphins, they're smart enough to warrant serious study.

I'm not sure exactly where this was mentioned in the articles he quoted, but you should know that even common mallards can gang rape. I'm not so sure that I see that as an intelligent behavior as opposed to say an inherited instinctual behavior passed on for the obvious reasons.

Duckies are not nearly so cute when they are raping.

[Bob the Gunslinger]

Meat is food. Meat is good.

Eating meat is not wrong.

Why do people so fanatically object to that?

I think the problem occurs when people believe that their meat might be begging us not to eat them in their native language.