[Uther] Star Trek Fans: Pedophiles?

[Flakin]

Having been the foster brother of sexually abused children while growing up, my opinion of the fuckers who do this to kids is right down there with dogshit.

Suddenly my bad day at work here dosn't seem quite as bad... The police in this article deserve medals.

Uther - I'm not sure i understand what the point is you're trying to make. There's little humor to be found when it comes to Paedophilia. It is an interesting article, but not, perhaps, for the reason you posted it.

[Admiral Valdemar]

There is no humour in Uther's posts, that's the fact. I'll be watching this; anymore tasteless comments will be fair game. The thread title is stretching as it is.

[RedImperator]

I'm glad something in that horrendous article struck your funnybone.

This board was generally enthusiastic when the Pope died, so I figured, well, one's mans horror is another's humor, am I rite?

A board full of aggressive atheists being "enthusiastic" about the death of the leader of what they see as an archaic, intrinsically evil organization is not the same thing as laughing about an article on child rapists. Either you're a Catholic apologist trying and failing to make a point because you have no conscience whatsoever, or you're just flailing and managed to toss out the lamest excuse I've ever heard.

I expected more commentary on the Star Trek angle! I bet it's the fault of that new Enterprise garbage, because Captain Kirk would never stand for such perversion.

I get it now. You stumbled across this article, noticed the part about the Trekkies, and thought a bunch of people who generally make fun of hardcore Trekkies would have a giggle. Hey, maybe they'd even start making baby raping jokes when Trekkies shows up on this board! You could start a meme. Basically, this is a me-tooing attempt that's in the process of blowing up in your face.

[Sharp-kun]

Hahaha.

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[Morilore]

OK, seriously, I think we can all agree that Uther has no apparent soul, but he did bring up an interesting correlation with the Trekkie angle. 499 out of 500 of these pedophiles are Trekkies. Something unusual is going on here, and I think it warrants more discussion than simple flames.

[Ghost Rider]

OK, seriously, I think we can all agree that Uther has no apparent soul, but he did bring up an interesting correlation with the Trekkie angle. 499 out of 500 of these pedophiles are Trekkies. Something unusual is going on here, and I think it warrants more discussion than simple flames.

The problem is that it may just be something they all enjoy. It's like what Wertham did by going "Convicts like comics!". Just because they like a subject millions of others do, does not mean it somehow is part of their twisted makeup.

It's just one of their likes.

[Admiral Valdemar]

Without more info. on the Trekkie facet of this sociological nightmare, I think it's fair to say that it's too early to start publically condemning sci-fi geeks.

[RedImperator]

OK, seriously, I think we can all agree that Uther has no apparent soul, but he did bring up an interesting correlation with the Trekkie angle. 499 out of 500 of these pedophiles are Trekkies. Something unusual is going on here, and I think it warrants more discussion than simple flames.

It's just plain weird. You could probably write a doctoral dissertation in psychology on this one.

[General Zod]

OK, seriously, I think we can all agree that Uther has no apparent soul, but he did bring up an interesting correlation with the Trekkie angle. 499 out of 500 of these pedophiles are Trekkies. Something unusual is going on here, and I think it warrants more discussion than simple flames.

it's a causality!=correlation thing. much in the same way that the priesthood attracts pedophiles rather than creates them, the same applies here. just because alot of them are fans of a particular show or another doesn't mean that the show is an actual cause or contributor to their problems.

[RedImperator]

OK, seriously, I think we can all agree that Uther has no apparent soul, but he did bring up an interesting correlation with the Trekkie angle. 499 out of 500 of these pedophiles are Trekkies. Something unusual is going on here, and I think it warrants more discussion than simple flames.

The problem is that it may just be something they all enjoy. It's like what Wertham did by going "Convicts like comics!". Just because they like a subject millions of others do, does not mean it somehow is part of their twisted makeup.

It's just one of their likes.

But 499 out of 500 being dedicated fans of Star Trek specifically? It doesn't make any sense as just, "They all just happen to enjoy it". I don't have the slightest idea WHAT draws pedophiles to Star Trek, but 499/500 is a hell of a coincidence.

[General Brock]

What a depressing article. If posession of the evidence of this crime wasn't illegal, we'd have found her by now. There used to be a lot of pedo vigilantes trolling the net looking for these guys and their victims. Right before public hysteria made this stuff illegal, rapists were being caught. After, there was an explosion of busts of collectors and distributers, but few of the producers.

There is actually more incentive than ever before to get rid of the victims, or ply the trade in poorer countries, and for sufferers of pedophilia to not seek treatment and instead from their own underground cells. Since victims often become abusers, this is going to be a more perpetual and more complex problem than it ever was pre-ban.

Now we have a committed network of psychopaths that only a radical suspension of property and communication privacy rights for everybody could ever begin to theoretically uproot. Theoretical, because, in such a totalitarian state, there are going to be those well above the law. The underground industry is probably more profitable than ever, and hard core pedo producers never safer from scutiny, knowing that they are in a closed undergound market of committed pervs.

There is also the added criminal benefit of allowing the extensive blackmail of perps, who might be in positions of public power and authority, since mere possession of a picture, not actually raping someone, is a felony. Pedophilia is like drug abuse or serial sex assaults and murder; you can't stop it by sweeping it under the rug and surpressing evidence of its existance.

Real police work relies upon good citizens accepting the spirit of the law and taking responsibility for their fellows, bearing witness, giving leads, not just a handful of expert cops trolling the net for pedos careless enough to surface, fronting for the government's push to erode citizen's privacy rights overall.

This situation rings more hollow to me than the war on drugs. Right now, we have so many people aware of the problem who can't do anything but hope the authorities get lucky, feel fine with washing their hands of the problem because it is in expert hands or driven to other countries, or feel compelled to look away.

As great as it would be to save this child, the fact is, there are more out there that the cops can never hope to find. She might not even be an American citizen. The street cops may be fighting to win, but the system is fighting to perpetuate a 'military/industrial complex'.

[Ghost Rider]

OK, seriously, I think we can all agree that Uther has no apparent soul, but he did bring up an interesting correlation with the Trekkie angle. 499 out of 500 of these pedophiles are Trekkies. Something unusual is going on here, and I think it warrants more discussion than simple flames.

The problem is that it may just be something they all enjoy. It's like what Wertham did by going "Convicts like comics!". Just because they like a subject millions of others do, does not mean it somehow is part of their twisted makeup.

It's just one of their likes.

But 499 out of 500 being dedicated fans of Star Trek specifically? It doesn't make any sense as just, "They all just happen to enjoy it". I don't have the slightest idea WHAT draws pedophiles to Star Trek, but 499/500 is a hell of a coincidence.

Wertham in 1954 did a study of convicts and found that 95% of those in juvenile detention read comics and from that study, concluded that comics is what drove them. While it's disturbing to think that 99% of them are Star Trek fans, I don't see this as anything more then it's one of their enjoyments.

I don't deny it's disturbing but literally it's one of the odd correlations. There are likely many others just this one was taken in by the article because it's a popular science fiction show, thus an interesting hook for the casual reader.

[JME2]

(reads article)

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Okay, then...

[salm]

OK, seriously, I think we can all agree that Uther has no apparent soul, but he did bring up an interesting correlation with the Trekkie angle. 499 out of 500 of these pedophiles are Trekkies. Something unusual is going on here, and I think it warrants more discussion than simple flames.

The problem is that it may just be something they all enjoy. It's like what Wertham did by going "Convicts like comics!". Just because they like a subject millions of others do, does not mean it somehow is part of their twisted makeup.

It's just one of their likes.

But 499 out of 500 being dedicated fans of Star Trek specifically? It doesn't make any sense as just, "They all just happen to enjoy it". I don't have the slightest idea WHAT draws pedophiles to Star Trek, but 499/500 is a hell of a coincidence.

The article states that all but one who were arrested in the last 4 years by this unit were trekkies.

The whole unit arrested 37 child molesters 26 of them due to the undercover work. It doesn´t say in which time frame. So it could be 8 out of 9 or 3 out of 4 for the last few years. The article does state that it take an aweful lot of time track these fucks down.

All agencies of the world have identified 500 children so far. That´s where the 500 number comes from.

[General Brock]

It would be interesting to know if these Trekkes were TOS hardcores or the other kind. Dolph Lundgren starred in a poor FX film about a society living in a wired world; one of the options was a sim world where women had no rights. I suppose these Trekkies have found uses for holodeck tech.

Some of them are really out there. It should not be surprising that cult Trek would attract a higher-than-average percentage of dysfunctional individuals. Its not really that funny at all, even without the criminal deviancy.

The thing is, TOS had a lot of humanitarian values in it, and validated them, whereas new Trek TV is a cynical self-indulgence. For example, Voyager always followed a slick buildup-to-shootout formula, but because they wanted to resolve coonflict peacefully, yet did not understand or believe in the ideal, Voyager was consistantly was a polished let-down. I can see this sort of morally confused alternate reality being a refuge for imaginations of the similarly afflicted.

[Illuminatus Primus]

What the fuck do you use to open this article with?

[Master of Ossus]

But 499 out of 500 being dedicated fans of Star Trek specifically? It doesn't make any sense as just, "They all just happen to enjoy it". I don't have the slightest idea WHAT draws pedophiles to Star Trek, but 499/500 is a hell of a coincidence.

The article states that all but one who were arrested in the last 4 years by this unit were trekkies.

The whole unit arrested 37 child molesters 26 of them due to the undercover work. It doesn´t say in which time frame. So it could be 8 out of 9 or 3 out of 4 for the last few years. The article does state that it take an aweful lot of time track these fucks down.

All agencies of the world have identified 500 children so far. That´s where the 500 number comes from.

Nonetheless, since the proportion of people who can be described as "hard-core Trekkies" is fairly small, this is not something that can be attributed to simple coincidence. Instead, it seems that pedophiles are drawn to ST.

Tags fixed - Kev

[salm]

Nonetheless, since the proportion of people who can be described as "hard-core Trekkies" is fairly small, this is not something that can be attributed to simple coincidence. Instead, it seems that pedophiles are drawn to ST.

For a number of 3 out of 4 or something similarly low it could very well be coincidence.

[Master of Ossus]

Nonetheless, since the proportion of people who can be described as "hard-core Trekkies" is fairly small, this is not something that can be attributed to simple coincidence. Instead, it seems that pedophiles are drawn to ST.

For a number of 3 out of 4 or something similarly low it could very well be coincidence.

No. If you assume that 2% of the population is a hardcore Trekkie, and that 3/4 pedophiles caught in one year are Trekkies, then the t-value of this correlation would be about 15.71, and the likelihood of this occurring by coincidence is less than 1E-10, even with only 3 degrees of freedom. That emphatically disproves the null hypothesis.

[Solauren]

I'm not surprised at this for a reason

(no, not trekkie bashing)

Consider for a minute that the type of person that most people classify as a hard-core trekkie also fits the bill for a pedophile

Withdrawn from relality, good with computers, generally no social life, etc.

Internet Pedophiles also fit the bill of a hardcore trekkie

Withdrawn from relality, good with computers, generally no social life

That does not mean all hardcore trekkies are pedophiles however.

[Darth Wong]

But 499 out of 500 being dedicated fans of Star Trek specifically? It doesn't make any sense as just, "They all just happen to enjoy it". I don't have the slightest idea WHAT draws pedophiles to Star Trek, but 499/500 is a hell of a coincidence.

Wertham in 1954 did a study of convicts and found that 95% of those in juvenile detention read comics and from that study, concluded that comics is what drove them. While it's disturbing to think that 99% of them are Star Trek fans, I don't see this as anything more then it's one of their enjoyments.

You're missing the point. No one is saying "A causes B". They're just saying that an incredibly strong correlation between A and B must mean some sort of relationship. They could both be caused by a third factor C, for example.

It would be interesting to know if there is any other kind of entertainment which is so strongly correlated with their behaviour. It may be that pedophiles believe their behaviour will be accepted in a future such as Gene Roddenberry's supposedly utopian Federation.

[Ghost Rider]

But 499 out of 500 being dedicated fans of Star Trek specifically? It doesn't make any sense as just, "They all just happen to enjoy it". I don't have the slightest idea WHAT draws pedophiles to Star Trek, but 499/500 is a hell of a coincidence.

Wertham in 1954 did a study of convicts and found that 95% of those in juvenile detention read comics and from that study, concluded that comics is what drove them. While it's disturbing to think that 99% of them are Star Trek fans, I don't see this as anything more then it's one of their enjoyments.

You're missing the point. No one is saying "A causes B". They're just saying that an incredibly strong correlation between A and B must mean some sort of relationship. They could both be caused by a third factor C, for example.

It would be interesting to know if there is any other kind of entertainment which is so strongly correlated with their behaviour. It may be that pedophiles believe their behaviour will be accepted in a future such as Gene Roddenberry's supposedly utopian Federation.

Actually then I misinterepreted the statements, I do agree with that thought, since my whole bit with Wertham was that one shouldn't think entertainment must mean cause.

For me when I saw the ST bit, itwas just something I saw more as hook to the article. I find it twisted that they found such a thing amongst the batch and it would interesting to see why.

[Darth Wong]

I'm glad something in that horrendous article struck your funnybone.

This board was generally enthusiastic when the Pope died, so I figured, well, one's mans horror is another's humor, am I rite?

It appears that you were one of the people who went rabidly foaming-at-the-mouth batshit insane when I dared say "good riddance" to John Paul II for being a misogynist homophobic AIDS enabler. And now, this is obviously your idea of trolling flamebait to "get back at us" for daring to say that.

I expected more commentary on the Star Trek angle! I bet it's the fault of that new Enterprise garbage, because Captain Kirk would never stand for such perversion.

This is quite obviously an attempt to caricature the population of the board, once again as some sort of "revenge" for not mindlessly worshipping the Pope. Can you give me some reason why I shouldn't just bounce your worthless ass out of here for trolling and generally being completely useless? Offhand, I can't recall anything interesting you have ever said.

[Vendetta]

What you posted is horror.

Most people in in right and sane mind see no humor in the article you posted, not only does it depict heinous and inexcusable crimes, but these are crimes against the only true innocents in modern society.

Sometimes people will pick up on a point like that as humourous because it stops their brain from breaking trying to hold any other mental image.

Humour is an emotional defence sometimes.

[RedImperator]

What you posted is horror.

Most people in in right and sane mind see no humor in the article you posted, not only does it depict heinous and inexcusable crimes, but these are crimes against the only true innocents in modern society.

Sometimes people will pick up on a point like that as humourous because it stops their brain from breaking trying to hold any other mental image.

Humour is an emotional defence sometimes.

Black humor is sometimes a defense mechanism. Clipping out one part of the article and posting "Hurf hurf hurf, Trekkies rape babies! Isn't that HY-LARIOUS?" on a webboard is trolling.