Protoss in the Dominion War...

[HemlockGrey]

By inexplicable means, the entirety of the Protoss Empire. right before the events of Starcraft, is transferred to the Alpha Quadrant just after the start of the Dominion War. Their territory shares it's borders with, for one, the United Federation of Planets.

What happens?

One thing we know: If the Dominion launches any invasions, it's fucked six ways from Sunday...

[Alyeska]

By inexplicable means, the entirety of the Protoss Empire. right before the events of Starcraft, is transferred to the Alpha Quadrant just after the start of the Dominion War. Their territory shares it's borders with, for one, the United Federation of Planets.

What happens?

One thing we know: If the Dominion launches any invasions, it's fucked six ways from Sunday...

Because the Protoss Empire stands no chance against the agressive expantionist Dominion they seek out allies and decide that the Federation are likely the best choice. Federation and allies then procede to stomp the Dominion just as before.

[Sea Skimmer]

By inexplicable means, the entirety of the Protoss Empire. right before the events of Starcraft, is transferred to the Alpha Quadrant just after the start of the Dominion War. Their territory shares it's borders with, for one, the United Federation of Planets.

What happens?

One thing we know: If the Dominion launches any invasions, it's fucked six ways from Sunday...

Because the Protoss Empire stands no chance against the agressive expantionist Dominion they seek out allies and decide that the Federation are likely the best choice. Federation and allies then procede to stomp the Dominion just as before.

With a minimal of 250, and likely far more, planets the Protoss would be fine, assuming they have comparable weapons and shielding, which doesn't seem unlikely.

[Alyeska]

By inexplicable means, the entirety of the Protoss Empire. right before the events of Starcraft, is transferred to the Alpha Quadrant just after the start of the Dominion War. Their territory shares it's borders with, for one, the United Federation of Planets.

What happens?

One thing we know: If the Dominion launches any invasions, it's fucked six ways from Sunday...

Because the Protoss Empire stands no chance against the agressive expantionist Dominion they seek out allies and decide that the Federation are likely the best choice. Federation and allies then procede to stomp the Dominion just as before.

With a minimal of 250, and likely far more, planets the Protoss would be fine, assuming they have comparable weapons and shielding, which doesn't seem unlikely.

Where does this 250 planet figure come from? And if so, why were they unable to deal with the Zerg who only had a handful?

[Sea Skimmer]

Because the Protoss Empire stands no chance against the agressive expantionist Dominion they seek out allies and decide that the Federation are likely the best choice. Federation and allies then procede to stomp the Dominion just as before.

With a minimal of 250, and likely far more, planets the Protoss would be fine, assuming they have comparable weapons and shielding, which doesn't seem unlikely.

Where does this 250 planet figure come from? And if so, why were they unable to deal with the Zerg who only had a handful?

From the manual, page 75

"Over the course of a few hundred years, the Protoss conquered hundreds of worlds within their corner off the galaxy, and spread the fruits of their great civilization to many of the more advanced races they encountered. All in all, the Protoss inadvertently succeeded in reclaiming an eight of the worlds once presided over by the Xel'Naga."

Else where it is stated that the Xel'Naga had thousands of worlds. That gives a low-end estimate of 250, high end 2,500. If the Xel'Naga had more then 20,000 planets tens of thousands would be more appropriate wording. But it is possible that the number is higher.

The Zerg don't hold planets like most civilizations, their interstellar nomads who hold planets only for as long as they need to kill all life and strip them of resources. Then they move on. The manual identifies several Broods with a total of some 12,121,500 Zerg. However it also states that only a few of the Broods have been identified.

[Sea Skimmer]

Also, During the Terran missions at one point it stated that several billion Zerg where drawn to Tarsonis and engaged in heavy combat with the Protoss across several of the worlds continents.

[Kuja]

The Protoss are very similar to the Chiss. They aren't very warlike, but when roused, they fight fiercely and with no recriminations.

[Shadow WarChief]

The one instance where protoss space power is quanitifiable was in the novel "liberty's crusade", The planets crust was melted to a depth 4 meters IIRC.

But that is of course, the special planet killing protoss ship, so of course, isn't exactly a good gauge of the fire power of their more common ships.


While I feel that for conventional space battles that there is not enough information to judge the abilities of the Protoss, we have ample evidence of the capabilities of their ground army.



While the exact strength of zealot psi-blades are unknown, considering how often rifle-fights turn into first to fist mellees, zealots will be of great use.

Single Dragoon shots are powerful to make an explosion ~5 meters in diamater. Those mass Jem Hadar battle charges are gonna be abattoirs...


Put simply, Dominion ground forces are fucked in the ass when they try to go against zealots with goon supports–and that's just basic stuff.


So if the protoss join up with the federation, they'd probably handle the ground battles and leave the space to the "capable" hands of the federation.

Because of the complete nullifcation of any and all dominion ground assets, the dominion war ends much sooner.

[HemlockGrey]

Plus, even if the Dominion defeats the Protoss in space, they still have to actually take the planets.

Jem'Hadar or no Jem'Hadar, the Protoss will tear through any ST ground force with ease.

Reavers + Jem'Hadar = Barbecue.

[HemlockGrey]

I can see rapid offensives into Dominion-held territory, where a Fed/Klingon strike force deploys an invasion force spearheaded by Protoss atmo-capable carriers, with ground troops following up.

[Master of Ossus]

Didn't a Protoss Carrier essentially BDZ a planet, once? That would help us set an estimate of their firepower.

[Sea Skimmer]

Didn't a Protoss Carrier essentially BDZ a planet, once? That would help us set an estimate of their firepower.

It was a fleet of fifty Protoss warships. And it was BDZ level damage with the majorit yof the surface reduced to lava and still that way months later.

[Master of Ossus]

Didn't a Protoss Carrier essentially BDZ a planet, once? That would help us set an estimate of their firepower.

It was a fleet of fifty Protoss warships. And it was BDZ level damage with the majorit yof the surface reduced to lava and still that way months later.

A planet as a whole doesn't cool very quickly, but the act of destroying a planet in such a manner is extraordinary. This sets us a lower limit that is easily comparable with almost anything in ST, and certainly with the Dominion. Then it would come down to numbers. The Dominion are larger and more numerous than the Protoss, but I'm not sure how many ships they have just lying around ready to go into combat.

[Kuja]

Well, I think it's pretty easy to give any GROUND battles to the Protoss, what with their expansive military.

[Sea Skimmer]

Didn't a Protoss Carrier essentially BDZ a planet, once? That would help us set an estimate of their firepower.

It was a fleet of fifty Protoss warships. And it was BDZ level damage with the majorit yof the surface reduced to lava and still that way months later.

A planet as a whole doesn't cool very quickly, but the act of destroying a planet in such a manner is extraordinary. This sets us a lower limit that is easily comparable with almost anything in ST, and certainly with the Dominion. Then it would come down to numbers. The Dominion are larger and more numerous than the Protoss, but I'm not sure how many ships they have just lying around ready to go into combat.

Not if we go by some of the shots shown in-between missions.
However it does seem that Protoss ships are a few hundred meters long at most.

[Sea Skimmer]

Well, I think it's pretty easy to give any GROUND battles to the Protoss, what with their expansive military.

Not saying much. I'd easily give the ground battle to WW1 Turkish reservists. This is going to be a slaughter. The Federation won't need to take out cloning facilities because the Protoss will be killing them at such an insane rate.

Their swarms of fighters should do well against the relatively weak Attack ship swarms the Dominion deploys as well.

[HemlockGrey]

Now...could the Protoss join the Dominion? What would happen if they did?

[Kuja]

Now...could the Protoss join the Dominion? What would happen if they did?

They're too isolationist to join either side.

[Sea Skimmer]

The Protoss would not join the Dominion.

[HemlockGrey]

Details, people, details!

[HemlockGrey]

What if, for some reason, the UFP was disgusted with the Protoss' rampant violation of the Prime Directive and attempted to interfere? Since Protoss are rather prickly as a race, would that be enough incentive to force the Empire to fight alongside the Dominion - with a nonaggression pact, if not open alliance?

[Sea Skimmer]

Now...could the Protoss join the Dominion? What would happen if they did?

They're too isolationist to join either side.

Now that I think about it. There not really isolationist. However they would defiantly not join the Dominion and wouldn't expect them to in with the Federation.

[Sea Skimmer]

What if, for some reason, the UFP was disgusted with the Protoss' rampant violation of the Prime Directive and attempted to interfere? Since Protoss are rather prickly as a race, would that be enough incentive to force the Empire to fight alongside the Dominion - with a nonaggression pact, if not open alliance?

That would run contrary to the Federations fucked up politics.

[Kuja]

Details, people, details!

OK, in Starcraft, Protoss Executor Tassadar (I think that's his title), was declared a renegade when he disobeyed the order to burn any human worlds infested with the Zerg. When Tassadar decided to fight alongside the humans rather than wipe them out in collateral damage, an order was declared for his capture. Eventually, he was released, and the two races joined forces, but only after the Protoss had suffered heavy defeats from the Zerg.

[HemlockGrey]

Er, yeah, I played the game.

I mean, think! Extrapolate! Give reasons and cool 'what-if' scenarios and estimations of Protoss might! I'm bored people, DANCE!