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Would liek to see a top down view of the bridge now to see why it's become circular before I pass judgment
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I'm thinking the same thing. Like I said earlier, I'm having trouble visualizing how it will look in final form.
By the way, the "screw" look is from how the Acclamator pod appears when viewed bow-on. The tower will probably have some stuff glued to it to give it a slightly different appearance, texture-wise.
By the way, the "screw" look is from how the Acclamator pod appears when viewed bow-on. The tower will probably have some stuff glued to it to give it a slightly different appearance, texture-wise.
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I'm starting to like it more and more. It DOES look too much like a submarine right now,but thats understandable, and I can visulaize it in my head with far more detail on it.. I think what we need to do now is try and figure out WHY a company would go from making a Bridge Kuat Style.
I just had a really nice idea on the bridge! Give me a second and I'll e-mail it
EDIT: Ok! E-mail sent, forgot to add on it. concerning the round Submarinish nose... If I were to change something, I'd 'squash' it a bit, so its not fully circular, maybe shape it a bit more like the Acclamators.
I just had a really nice idea on the bridge! Give me a second and I'll e-mail it
EDIT: Ok! E-mail sent, forgot to add on it. concerning the round Submarinish nose... If I were to change something, I'd 'squash' it a bit, so its not fully circular, maybe shape it a bit more like the Acclamators.
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Actually, think of it as KDY building Rendili-style bridges on its ships.Crossroads Inc. wrote:I'm starting to like it more and more. It DOES look too much like a submarine right now,but thats understandable, and I can visulaize it in my head with far more detail on it.. I think what we need to do now is try and figure out WHY a company would go from making a Bridge Kuat Style.
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I may give it some flat facets. The change to the front edge of the hammerhead is interesting, though.EDIT: Ok! E-mail sent, forgot to add on it. concerning the round Submarinish nose... If I were to change something, I'd 'squash' it a bit, so its not fully circular, maybe shape it a bit more like the Acclamators.
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Thanks Seriously I can't wait to see this thing come to fruition, and if you ever make a Kit out of it, I will be your first customer
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Not to bash your idea man, but I just can't abide the tail... its just says something wrong to me. As if its supposed to be like a tail rudder. And starships don't need rudders. Also it just seems wrong somehow to have just four engines instead of the seven, I mean this thing is supposed to be the next step before traditional ISDs not the step after acclamators. After all its two different corporations, one being rothana heavy engineering the other being Rendili Star Drive.
Its like the acclamator came first and made the base design for the venator but before the venator came the VicStar a new design that wasnt tested so they went ahead with venators anyway, venators were seen as not so good so they're phased out in favor of the VicStar Design enlarged with a few modifications to become the ISD.
Just saying, though its too late at this point, I would go for a total redesign.
Its like the acclamator came first and made the base design for the venator but before the venator came the VicStar a new design that wasnt tested so they went ahead with venators anyway, venators were seen as not so good so they're phased out in favor of the VicStar Design enlarged with a few modifications to become the ISD.
Just saying, though its too late at this point, I would go for a total redesign.
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I don't like the tail either. It seems like ruining a classic shape. A different destroyer class with a tail, sure, perhaps with a lower set conning tower too, would be nice, but I don't imagine vicstars with tails.
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That's why I put it up to a vote. I can't decide between either, though to be honest, I lean towards the tailless design, myself. It's already established that the KDY models contain their hyperdrives in the tail section, and I thought that could be justification for Rendili's design (a bit of industrial espionage).Cabwi Desco wrote:Not to bash your idea man, but I just can't abide the tail... its just says something wrong to me. As if its supposed to be like a tail rudder. And starships don't need rudders.
Which is one reason it has four engines. It would look too much like an ISD clone with all seven, anyway, and I've seen several instances where the ship's shown with only four engines. And I always considered the Venator to be a faster ship with her four primaries, two secondaries and four+ verniers, anyway.Also it just seems wrong somehow to have just four engines instead of the seven, I mean this thing is supposed to be the next step before traditional ISDs not the step after acclamators. After all its two different corporations, one being rothana heavy engineering the other being Rendili Star Drive.
It's not too late to make revisions (I don't even have the kit yet). Any ideas?Just saying, though its too late at this point, I would go for a total redesign.
I'm probably going to keep the antennae arrays, and likely the sensor boom (perhaps add something to the port side to balance?) I'm mainly bugged out by the tail and bridge shape issues. IP has provided some decent advice on the the former, and I'm leaning back to an ISD-esque tower.I'm saddened that you dropped the sensor arm...
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*reads above*
I thought this was the whole point of the Vic-I and Vic-II? The first was the orginal, like a prototype. This would be a tailed version with the more Acclamator style bridge. The Vic-II would have the tail parts internal and have the more KDY type bridge.
I thought this was the whole point of the Vic-I and Vic-II? The first was the orginal, like a prototype. This would be a tailed version with the more Acclamator style bridge. The Vic-II would have the tail parts internal and have the more KDY type bridge.
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The purpose of the poll was to help me decide whether or not to add a tail to the ship. Since it was fairly mixed, I'm still indecisive. Others have made valid points as to why the tail shouldn't be included. If they could agree that the Mk. I version of the design (or at least the first block) had a tail, I could accept that.
I also have to admit that I won't know for absolute certainty how to deal with the tail until I get the model. It may be too short at 1:2256 to lengthen the bow, or there could be other problems associated with the conversion.
There's the possibility of scratchbuilding, but I'd rather not when I have a model full of details that I can use.
I also have to admit that I won't know for absolute certainty how to deal with the tail until I get the model. It may be too short at 1:2256 to lengthen the bow, or there could be other problems associated with the conversion.
There's the possibility of scratchbuilding, but I'd rather not when I have a model full of details that I can use.
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Yes! Thats exactly what I was thinking! plus, it lets everyone win!!! Those who like the more KDY MkII can have it, Those who like the Tail on the MkI can get it!
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If ask me I think the tail is too short, as in KDY designs the tail has hyperdrive, cooling systems (or part of it) and shield elements. Also you should make block two a bit closer to the final Imperial era VSD1 (so it would seem that Rendili tried KDY design, but found it not so good and changed it).
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I really don't want to lengthen the tail any more than I have to, to be honest. That part of the design is more a result of copying KDY's stuff while coming up with their own design philosophy. The VSD is supposed to be slower than its cousins, anyway.Lord Revan wrote:If ask me I think the tail is too short, as in KDY designs the tail has hyperdrive, cooling systems (or part of it) and shield elements. Also you should make block two a bit closer to the final Imperial era VSD1 (so it would seem that Rendili tried KDY design, but found it not so good and changed it).
At the moment I'm working on a chart that may or may not give everyone a version they can be happy about. We'll see.
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crosses fingers and hopesFirefox wrote:At the moment I'm working on a chart that may or may not give everyone a version they can be happy about. We'll see.
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Oh shit.
ISD model's outlined in red. Note that I changed the hull angle to match the drawing. I still need to add a chunk of hull to the back end, and I'm still shy of 900m.
A couple of options are to add a longer, sharper prow, and/or make the tail part of the 900 meter measurement. I could also adjust the stern's sweep angle, but that would affect mass.
This goes to show that you can't make plans until you have enough facts.
EDIT: Farting around with the scale, I've come up with a compromise. I'll have to build a whole new engine section anyway, but I think I can build it without the tail (she'll still be a few meters shy of 900, but I figured that was a rounded number, anyway).
What can I say? I'm a masochist.
ISD model's outlined in red. Note that I changed the hull angle to match the drawing. I still need to add a chunk of hull to the back end, and I'm still shy of 900m.
A couple of options are to add a longer, sharper prow, and/or make the tail part of the 900 meter measurement. I could also adjust the stern's sweep angle, but that would affect mass.
This goes to show that you can't make plans until you have enough facts.
EDIT: Farting around with the scale, I've come up with a compromise. I'll have to build a whole new engine section anyway, but I think I can build it without the tail (she'll still be a few meters shy of 900, but I figured that was a rounded number, anyway).
What can I say? I'm a masochist.
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Okay, further study of this thing leads me to believe it's feasible. The whole stern will go, replaced by something scratchbuilt. Tearing the pieces apart is proving to be a pain in the ass, though that's not a surprise. If there's too much damage, at least I got to study the kit before I get the unassembled model.
I'm currently working on a drawing based on the model, and should have it available for opinions in a day or so. I do appreciate all of the input I've received on this project, however.
Just to throw out a WAG, I'm guessing this thing could hold at least three squadrons of V-wings, perhaps twice that. There are what appear to be ribs separating sixteen spaces on either side of the docking bay. Each could easily accomodate a V-wing, and I'm assuming they're stored in as compact a manner as TIEs (though not hanging from booms). There could be a squadron of ARC-170s, as well as support craft.
I'm currently working on a drawing based on the model, and should have it available for opinions in a day or so. I do appreciate all of the input I've received on this project, however.
Just to throw out a WAG, I'm guessing this thing could hold at least three squadrons of V-wings, perhaps twice that. There are what appear to be ribs separating sixteen spaces on either side of the docking bay. Each could easily accomodate a V-wing, and I'm assuming they're stored in as compact a manner as TIEs (though not hanging from booms). There could be a squadron of ARC-170s, as well as support craft.
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Early draft of the new drawing. I've added all of the basics (ventral terraces, reactor bulb, docking bay, wings) to the basic hull. This is the hull following the first modifications, including thinning the brim trench and rebuilding the stern section. I'll make a number of variants from this to see which one looks best. They'll be posted as I make them.
Meanwhile, here's the furthest I went with the old design, which shouldn't be too far off from this. There will be some proportional changes, but the basics will be there.
Meanwhile, here's the furthest I went with the old design, which shouldn't be too far off from this. There will be some proportional changes, but the basics will be there.
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Nice, makes a wonderful evolutionary line of the Starships and keeps certain aspects of the orginal. Nice to see the very first looking a LOT like the Acclamator. And the last one looking like the KitBash Clone of the ISD that the original Victory was
Personally, The third one down looks the nicest with the old style Tail and 'modern' bridge.
Personally, The third one down looks the nicest with the old style Tail and 'modern' bridge.
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After about a week-long break, I decided to spend some time working on the design again. I'm leaning towards using this concept art to design the superstructure of the Mk. I variant, with the step-pyramidal four terrace design.
And here is a silhouette showing the main Mk. I and II variants. Thoughts?
And here is a silhouette showing the main Mk. I and II variants. Thoughts?
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