How Powerful Were The Vong?

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2005-04-08 05:21am

They didn't destroy it Spanks. At worst all they did was redecorate it for a while. All the buildings and technology was still there under the vong-life. Because of Jacen's connection with the local world brain the terraforming was sabbotaged.

Taran_Wanderer · Post by **Taran_Wanderer** » 2005-04-08 06:22am

Slowed the process, yes, but not stopped. From my understanding, most of the upper layers of Coruscant were the ones that were destroyed, which were the only ones that really mattered, for the most part. I think one of the Vong metions somewhere that the reason the planet wasn't completely overrun was the sheer amount of buildings on Coruscant.

Tychu · Post by **Tychu** » 2005-04-10 01:02am

Praxis wrote:I wouldn't say overwhelming. I find the NJO books to be some of my favorites (excluding Vector Prime, Balance Point, Dark Journey, Traitor, and the Force Heretic books, which just plain sucked). And I know several people who feel the same.

i would say the same as well just a diffrence is that i enjoyed Traitor and the Force Heretic ones were some of my favorites of the series

Prime was just plain horrible, it was a little to Trekie for me, but im sure some of our members are Trekies so maby they will like it more than I

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2005-04-10 01:55am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:The Vong effectively destroyed Coruscant, the beacon of galactic civilisation for nearly one-hundred thousand years.

For that the sons of bitches can fucking go to Hell for all I care...

Ditto. I've only read the first book, but yeah, it did piss me of to hear about them taking and destroying most of Coruscant.

GuppyShark · Post by **GuppyShark** » 2005-04-10 03:21am

What irritated me was the way they beat Jedi in hand to hand combat.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2005-04-10 08:31am

GuppyShark wrote:What irritated me was the way they beat Jedi in hand to hand combat.

Why? The Vong had been shaping themselves for thousands of years to become better, faster and stronger. The YV did with biotechnology what the Jedi do with the force.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2005-04-10 08:49am

Tychu wrote:
Praxis wrote:I wouldn't say overwhelming. I find the NJO books to be some of my favorites (excluding Vector Prime, Balance Point, Dark Journey, Traitor, and the Force Heretic books, which just plain sucked). And I know several people who feel the same.
i would say the same as well just a diffrence is that i enjoyed Traitor and the Force Heretic ones were some of my favorites of the series

Prime was just plain horrible, it was a little to Trekie for me, but im sure some of our members are Trekies so maby they will like it more than I

Traitor I can see, it had some good parts, but the three Force Heretic books? It was mostly the main characters planet-hopping. Very boring.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2005-04-10 08:50am

Jadeite wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:The Vong effectively destroyed Coruscant, the beacon of galactic civilisation for nearly one-hundred thousand years.

For that the sons of bitches can fucking go to Hell for all I care...
Ditto. I've only read the first book, but yeah, it did piss me of to hear about them taking and destroying most of Coruscant.

The first book was the worst.

nesaminos · Post by **nesaminos** » 2005-04-11 12:25am

Praxis wrote:
Jadeite wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:The Vong effectively destroyed Coruscant, the beacon of galactic civilisation for nearly one-hundred thousand years.

For that the sons of bitches can fucking go to Hell for all I care...
Ditto. I've only read the first book, but yeah, it did piss me of to hear about them taking and destroying most of Coruscant.
The first book was the worst.

Was that the one where in the end, they won the battle using some technobabble thingy about the "fifth-state of matter?" If it was, I deinfetely agree with you. Also, they killed Chewie!

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2005-04-11 01:23am

nesaminos wrote:
Praxis wrote:
Jadeite wrote: Ditto. I've only read the first book, but yeah, it did piss me of to hear about them taking and destroying most of Coruscant.
The first book was the worst.
Was that the one where in the end, they won the battle using some technobabble thingy about the "fifth-state of matter?" If it was, I deinfetely agree with you. Also, they killed Chewie!

Yup, that was it. It was also the one where Jacen blocked amphistaffs with his bare hands, where not one Vong could speak in complete sentences, and a Star Destroyer got its butt whooped by fighters.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2005-04-11 10:31am

In fairness to the Star Destroyer it did have it's shields stripped and i've always though it to be one of the weaker Republic class.

nesaminos · Post by **nesaminos** » 2005-04-11 09:33pm

Lord Pounder wrote:In fairness to the Star Destroyer it did have it's shields stripped and i've always though it to be one of the weaker Republic class.

How did the fighters strip the shields? I thought in order to strip a capship's shield, the vong needed their own capship. Was it because there were so many fighter?

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2005-04-11 09:37pm

There were lots of them, and I think there were some Dovin Basals on the planet.

Ugh... Isn't that the book where they try to freeze the Yammosk to death by using shieldships to heat up the planet?

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2005-04-11 10:44pm

Yes. Yes it was. *saddened by possession of said book*

Perseid · Post by **Perseid** » 2005-04-30 05:08pm

Praxis wrote:It's time for:
PRAXIS' CONSPIRACY THEORY OF THE WEEK

The galaxy the Vong lived in, wipe out, and left was, in fact, the Milky Way!

The reason the Vong hate technology so much is because they fought the Borg. They eventually wiped out all the Borg, the Federation, the Dominion, and every race in the Star Trek galaxy, and then headed to the Star Wars Galaxy. Because they were travelling so long at FTL time around them was distorted and they ended up going back in time (you know how they say, if you travelled at near-light-speed time slows down for you?) and ended up a Long Time Ago in a Galaxy Far, Far, Away...after having wiped out all of Star Trek.

[disclaimer: everything above this line is a product of my deranged imagination]

Something tells me you've been reading BoBW

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-04-30 05:33pm

Crown wrote:I didn't mind the idea of the Vong, you know one dedicated enemy over the course of many books, to flesh out and really put the squeeze on (one wonders why the Empire couldn't have been given the same treatment) as opposed to the usual 'crisis of the week syndrome'. But it just went downhill fast. I didn't mind that they were 'outside the Force' (okay I did, but I could live with it), but somehow, somewhere, the writers went waaaaaay fucking south with that.

Suddenly the Jedi couldn't even fucking use TK on them I mean right?

Errr.

Yeah. The campiagn to defeat the Empire after ROTJ should've been given a book arc like NJO.

Deathstalker · Post by **Deathstalker** » 2005-04-30 06:59pm

I'm sure this has been asked before, but what the hell were the Vong going to do against the Empire? If the Rebellion had failed, the Empire would have had a massive fleet backed by Death Stars and whatever other toys the Empire had cooking. The only thing I can think of is either the Vong go to ground, finding a few out of the way systems to build a base from and replenish their ships, or they go about fostering a new rebellion. The Empire's bias against non humans seemed a bit overblown in the EU, but it could have been used by the Vong, by using the various nonhuman aliens against the Empire.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2005-04-30 10:04pm

Nom Anor himself basically said that the Empire would have ass raped the Vong fleet.

Their best chance would have been to invade the Unknown Region where there was little or no Imperial presence and build a fleet from there and hope no one reports the new race to the Empire.

The Original Nex · Post by **The Original Nex** » 2005-04-30 10:08pm

The Empire still would have found out. They had a presence in the Unknown Regions and had contact with the Chiss.

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-05-01 12:04am

I'm sure this sounds like a stupid question, but if Rebels>Empire and Empire>Vong, then how come Vong>Rebels (New Republic)?

EDIT: Btw, I liked the Vong purely for their ability to kick Jedi ass. I didn't like how the Force made someone practically invincible. Or maybe I'm just bitter about Jango Fett dying so easily.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-05-01 12:07am

unbeataBULL wrote:I'm sure this sounds like a stupid question, but if Rebels>Empire and Empire>Vong, then how come Vong>Rebels (New Republic)?

Ummm...where is the indication of the first?

The Rebels only won because the Empire was wracked with more internal problems that could only be controlled by a immensely strong central figure. No Emperor, it went to shit, and still gave the NR trouble for many years.

The NR on the other hand barely maintained a fleet and were often beset by numerous minor warlords. They failed to even come together until the Vong were at their proverbial doorstep.

Grandmaster Jogurt · Post by **Grandmaster Jogurt** » 2005-05-01 12:08am

unbeataBULL wrote:I'm sure this sounds like a stupid question, but if Rebels>Empire and Empire>Vong, then how come Vong>Rebels (New Republic)?

The rebels never took down the Empire in a stand-up fight. The Empire killed itself in a series of breakaways and civil wars caused by the Emperor's death.

It's kind of like Luke and the first Death Star. Luke and his X-wing are obviously not more powerful than the Death Star, but he was able to destroy the Death Star nonetheless. Same idea with the Rebellion and the Empire.

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-05-01 12:13am

So, hypothetically, if the Emporer had never been killed the Rebellion would've been crushed. That's what you're saying, isn't it?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-05-01 12:22am

unbeataBULL wrote:So, hypothetically, if the Emporer had never been killed the Rebellion would've been crushed. That's what you're saying, isn't it?

Given that he was the reason that the Empire lost in RoTJ and the splintering of the Empire?

It would be the most logical conclusion with the evidence given.

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-05-01 12:30am

Wait, the Vong already had spies and such in the galaxy at that time, correct? Wouldn't they have realized that they were in for a massive ass-raping if they went head-on against the Empire? So wouldn't they have waited for the already old Emporer and his aprentice Vader to die a mortal death? Then, in that period of instability, they could launch the attack. That would make it seem like the fall of the Empire was inevitable, with the death of Palpatine, and eventually, Vader.