WMD Page Update

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2005-05-02 05:49am

Mucho updatos:

http://www.mrpoesmorgue.com/usvsd/wmd/wmd.html

Lots of stuff added: Slave 1's seismic charges against 'roids, "Pegasus" 'roid, "Cost of Living" 'roid, lasers vs phasers updated, ranges updated, "Skin of Evil" added, lots of new pictures, etc. I'll be adding the Rise 'roid later, as well as BDZ, and the Omega particle. Oh, and the Death Star!

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-05-02 06:17am

This should put end to dout of Seismic charges being Gt-level weapons.

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2005-05-02 08:53am

Another great update, Lord Poe! Brian Young's calculations shows the consideration Dr. Saxton put into the statistics in the AOTC:ICS. Very interesting stuff...

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apocolypse · Post by **apocolypse** » 2005-05-02 10:02am

Some good stuff Poe. Especially since a few of the "arguements" I've seen being used lately are addressed here very nicely.

DaveJB · Post by **DaveJB** » 2005-05-02 10:58am

I like the section on the "No Laser" argument, but personally I think what it could do with is a good old-fashioned analogy. Something like this perhaps:

If someone tried to attack an M1A2 Abrams tank by throwing small rocks at it, the tank's commander would probably laugh and say that "Rocks can't hurt us". Does that mean that no rocky object can cause any damage to an M1A2 Abrams? That you'd happily drive one into a lava flow, or sit in one while a 1KM asteroid smacked into it at supersonic speeds?

Duken · Post by **Duken** » 2005-05-02 11:03am

Nice. The 'Trekkie' picture just feels right too.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2005-05-02 11:45am

DaveJB wrote:I like the section on the "No Laser" argument, but personally I think what it could do with is a good old-fashioned analogy. Something like this perhaps:

If someone tried to attack an M1A2 Abrams tank by throwing small rocks at it, the tank's commander would probably laugh and say that "Rocks can't hurt us". Does that mean that no rocky object can cause any damage to an M1A2 Abrams? That you'd happily drive one into a lava flow, or sit in one while a 1KM asteroid smacked into it at supersonic speeds?

Its that same as bullets can't hurt the tank. Does that mean a bullet no matter what size can't hurt the tank.

Or a Civil War Cannon can't penatrate the frontal armor of the tank does that mean no cannon based weapon can't hurt the tank?

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-05-02 12:31pm

[Wayne and Garth]

We're not worthy.
We're not worthy.
We're not worthy.

[/W&G]

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2005-05-02 01:38pm

It's very good and I'm still reading it. I would say more, but I'm injured and have problems doing anything, including typing.

NRS Guardian · Post by **NRS Guardian** » 2005-05-02 02:27pm

One stupid Trekkie analogy I've seen on a pro-Trek VS. website is that the laser argument is like ships of glass versus ships that shoot acid and that Wars argues that they can overcome Trek because they put out insane amounts of acid. But what Trekkies forget is first Turbolasers aren't the only weapon in the Wars arsenal, second even glass isn't totally invulnerable to acid in fact there are some acids that can corrode glass such as Hydrofluoric Acid, and third lasers aren't acid and shields aren't glass.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2005-05-02 05:11pm

Good stuff. Poor Napolean, though. That wasn't fair, using him to represent. Trekkies can't dance as well as he can.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2005-05-02 05:20pm

That was most amusing. Good job, Wayne.
*bows*

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2005-05-02 06:00pm

As always Wayne, good work!
Keep going!

I wonder what else will fall under the "Weapons of mass destruction"?

Civil War Man · Post by **Civil War Man** » 2005-05-02 06:42pm

Tribun wrote:I wonder what else will fall under the "Weapons of mass destruction"?

All of Star Trek V: The Final Frontier.

Ba-zing.

Locutus_8472 · Post by **Locutus_8472** » 2005-05-03 01:09am

Fine. I accept these [sarcasm]oh-so realistic[/sarcasm] estimates of firepower for SW Turbolasers.

I also accept the fallacy of Hypermatter to power this BS-derived tech. Nevermind that hypermatter DOES NOT EXIST. Antimatter does. It just bugs me when the sort of fuel you can pump through a hose and has even spilled has a higher energy density per-gram than anti-matter, the most energy-dense (in terms of PE) substance known

Here's the question: Where do those ships hold all their fuel?

Venator's reactor annihilates up to 40,000 tons of fuel per second

That is a heck of a lot of mass!

P.S. Your silly forum box does not work with Firefox

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2005-05-03 01:29am

CivilWarMan wrote:
Tribun wrote:I wonder what else will fall under the "Weapons of mass destruction"?
All of Star Trek V: The Final Frontier.

Ba-zing.

Star Trek V didn't destroy anything. If you want to give that title to something in Star Trek, give it to Enterprise. Destroyed the franchise.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2005-05-03 01:53am

Locutus_8472 wrote:Fine. I accept these [sarcasm]oh-so realistic[/sarcasm] estimates of firepower for SW Turbolasers.

You have no choice, actually. I'll accept your concession that you have no argument to put forth, and instead want to troll, shit stain.

I also accept the fallacy of Hypermatter to power

How is hypermatter a "fallacy"? Do you know what the fuck "fallacy" even means, twat?

Nevermind that hypermatter DOES NOT EXIST. Antimatter does.

Yeah, I'm sure you have an antimatter vibrator stuck up your ass to keep your head company...

P.S. Your silly forum box does not work with Firefox

Works fine on my Firefox, cumstain. Maybe you need to readjust you monitor from cocksucker resolution.

Post by **Dalton** » 2005-05-03 01:56am

Locutus_8472 wrote:Nevermind that hypermatter DOES NOT EXIST.

Violation of SOD.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2005-05-03 02:56am

How can he think the annihilation of such masses is ridiculous? It's necessary to provide the power for the feats we see them performing! It'd be a poor scifi franchise indeed that claimed, at the same time, to be doing huge amazing things, and at the same time consuming small amounts of fuel.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-05-04 01:18am

Locutus_8472 wrote:It just bugs me when the sort of fuel you can pump through a hose and has even spilled has a higher energy density per-gram than anti-matter, the most energy-dense (in terms of PE) substance known

Who said hypermatter had higher energy density per gram than M/AM? All hypermatter needs is greater MASS density than standard matter.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-05-04 01:27am

hey Wayne, your single point defense turbolaser blast link on that page seems to be broken.(+http://www.mrpoesmorgue.com/wmd/wmd.html)

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2005-05-04 01:33am

Wayne:

The asteroid in the scene obviously much bigger. We know it's larger than the Millennium Falcon, too, because if you look at the left-hand corner of the above animated gif, there is a Falcon-sized asteroid behind the big one that gets caught by the seismic wave.

Err, how do you know it is Falcon sized?

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2005-05-04 01:33am

I mean, there is no scaling or aything. Or am I looking at the wrong asteroid?

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2005-05-04 01:35am

And hey, what ever happened to your page on range, where you dealt with the Falcon shooting down Vader's wingman in the trench?

Boyish-Tigerlilly · Post by **Boyish-Tigerlilly** » 2005-05-04 03:07am

It's a great page. Highly informative. If we find weird typos, do you want us to tell you? Not that it matters.

As for photon toroedoes, check out the analysis of the TNG episode, "The Wounded".

that was one on the page where the star destroyer was orbiting hoth. It was in the paragraph right above it.