Adam Warlock making an ass out of himself

[BL]Phalanx · Post by **[BL]Phalanx** » 2002-11-19 12:39am

Steve wrote:Such is how SB has ended up, a multitude of people bound by the sides they are generally seen as supporting, and carrying more for friendships and comradeship over the aspects of the debate.

Hence why Phalanx, an altogether fair and intelligent person who is known for being conservative in his calcs, will stick up for his "comrades", even if it's a losing proposition.

It's actually quite interesting, and I suppose I can respect him for sticking up for his friends, although I think Phalanx should realize why they're being criticized and that they potentially deserve it.

Is that you, Big Steve?

[BL]Phalanx · Post by **[BL]Phalanx** » 2002-11-19 12:45am

Master of Ossus wrote: I generally like to consider myself a loyal person, but I'm not going to stick my neck out to prevent a friend from losing as badly as he ordinarily would. Maybe if people like Phalanx here would just let them lose, then SB.com would be a better site for it. Maybe people like Adam would stop posting crap and start researching before they posted, then.

I very rarely agreed with his conclusions, but I always let him have his own opinions and I'd have mine. He didn't call me a traitor and I didn't hassel him about his stance.

Still... it doesn't sit right with me to not stick up for a friend becaues he's done something wrong. When I look at it the other way, I'd like a friend to stick up for me when I screw up.

[BL]Phalanx · Post by **[BL]Phalanx** » 2002-11-19 12:49am

Darth Wong wrote:The sense of fellowship emboldens people like Warlock. That's how he could post various asinine arguments such as "neutron beams will make an ISD's hull undergo nuclear fission" or "Minbari neutron beams are teraton range because they're green" or "Bayesian probability theory means that I can use circular logic with impunity" with a straight face.

Well.... he was doing that way before I ever showed up. And like I said, I rarely backed up his arguments. When I first joined up and didn't know much, yeah I looked at his calcs and accepted them. But over time my position has changed a bunch of times.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-11-19 12:51am

[BL]Phalanx wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote: I generally like to consider myself a loyal person, but I'm not going to stick my neck out to prevent a friend from losing as badly as he ordinarily would. Maybe if people like Phalanx here would just let them lose, then SB.com would be a better site for it. Maybe people like Adam would stop posting crap and start researching before they posted, then.
I very rarely agreed with his conclusions, but I always let him have his own opinions and I'd have mine. He didn't call me a traitor and I didn't hassel him about his stance.

Still... it doesn't sit right with me to not stick up for a friend becaues he's done something wrong. When I look at it the other way, I'd like a friend to stick up for me when I screw up.

Oh, I'm not saying that someone shouldn't get other people to back down, eventually. You should just say, "Look, you made a mistake. No big deal." I just don't see the rationale behind putting one's own head on a chopping block, even with no real help of assisting your friend. Look what happened here: you stuck your neck out to protect Adam. You then got a substantial portion of the flames, but you still didn't really protect him. I think it might be more effective to help him bind his wounds afterwards, but to let him take a few hits by himself. It might make him a better debater, in the end.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-11-19 02:42am

[BL]Phalanx wrote:
Vertigo1 wrote:Its people like Adam Warlock and outofstep that make the REAL fivers look bad. Folks like Phalanx are the real fivers. He has my respect because he actually DEBATES, yet will actually LISTEN. (This is why I get along so well with Connor! )
Pffffft. Nu-uh, I'm just as rabid and stupid as they are. Don't give me your respect, I don't deserve it or want it.

Adam and outofstep may or may not be right on the issues, but quit clowning on them. They're still my fellow Fivers and I gotta back 'em up, even when they mess up, because no one's perfect. If I don't have their back when they make a mistake, how can I expect anyone else to back me up when I make one? At the end of the day, Adam and outofstep could be wrong, and they might not be as smart, but they're decent people who'd probably buy you a beer if you met.

You remember that thread you made about your friend, this is pretty much like it, you're acting like a doormat, stop trying to cover up their misstakes and putting yourself in harms way, this time harm being in the way of a horde of SD'ers out for blood

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-11-19 06:54am

SirNitram wrote:Ah, so he is a trolling moron. Ban the worthless bitch.

You, are overreacting, cool down, take some drugs.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-11-19 06:54am

Darth Wong wrote:He's trying to get us to start flaming him so he can go back to SB.com and say "see, they did exactly what I told you they'd do. They attacked me just for being a Fiver."

You, are jumping to claims, I do know BL, he's not that kinda guy

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2002-11-19 09:19pm

[BL]Phalanx wrote:
Vertigo1 wrote:Its people like Adam Warlock and outofstep that make the REAL fivers look bad. Folks like Phalanx are the real fivers. He has my respect because he actually DEBATES, yet will actually LISTEN. (This is why I get along so well with Connor! )
Pffffft. Nu-uh, I'm just as rabid and stupid as they are.

So THATS why you didn't pull shit out of your ass (like outofstep and Adam Warlock do) when we debated about the power of the slicer beam on the Shadow "battlecrab".....

$5 says this really isn't Phalanx.

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2002-11-19 09:20pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:He's trying to get us to start flaming him so he can go back to SB.com and say "see, they did exactly what I told you they'd do. They attacked me just for being a Fiver."
You, are jumping to claims, I do know BL, he's not that kinda guy

So do I. The real Phalanx doesn't even post REMOTELY like this.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-11-19 09:31pm

Vertigo1 wrote:So do I. The real Phalanx doesn't even post REMOTELY like this.

Are you seriously saying this is someone different than the guy on SB.com? Come to think of it, we never bothered asking him if he was the same guy.

Does the SB.com BLPhalanx also attend University of California in Santa Cruz?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-11-19 10:25pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:
SirNitram wrote:Ah, so he is a trolling moron. Ban the worthless bitch.
You, are overreacting, cool down, take some drugs.

HDS, he is trolling, and from a second glance, he's giving the real Phoenix a bad name. That's reason to HoS.

Post by **Steve** » 2002-11-19 11:09pm

Yes, he goes to that university, I'm quite sure of it.

And I don't see how it's not him. Phalanx is the kind of guy who sticks out for his own, even if he's not obliged to or even in the wrong for doing so. Nothing I have seen here has raised any warning flags about his identity.

Post by **Steve** » 2002-11-19 11:09pm

SirNitram wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote:
SirNitram wrote:Ah, so he is a trolling moron. Ban the worthless bitch.
You, are overreacting, cool down, take some drugs.
HDS, he is trolling, and from a second glance, he's giving the real Phoenix a bad name. That's reason to HoS.

I'd hardly call his posts trolling.

He does not deserve to be banned.

Post by **Steve** » 2002-11-19 11:10pm

[BL]Phalanx wrote:
Steve wrote:Such is how SB has ended up, a multitude of people bound by the sides they are generally seen as supporting, and carrying more for friendships and comradeship over the aspects of the debate.

Hence why Phalanx, an altogether fair and intelligent person who is known for being conservative in his calcs, will stick up for his "comrades", even if it's a losing proposition.

It's actually quite interesting, and I suppose I can respect him for sticking up for his friends, although I think Phalanx should realize why they're being criticized and that they potentially deserve it.
Is that you, Big Steve?

Yes, it is I. I figured the avatar would give it away.

Post by **Steve** » 2002-11-19 11:12pm

Darth Wong wrote:The sense of fellowship emboldens people like Warlock. That's how he could post various asinine arguments such as "neutron beams will make an ISD's hull undergo nuclear fission" or "Minbari neutron beams are teraton range because they're green" or "Bayesian probability theory means that I can use circular logic with impunity" with a straight face.

An unfortunate side-effect.

And that one post by me should be "caring", not "carrying". *groan*

[BL]Phalanx · Post by **[BL]Phalanx** » 2002-11-19 11:51pm

His Divine Shadow wrote: You, are jumping to claims, I do know BL, he's not that kinda guy

Damn. I never expected that kind of consideration from you, HDS. Thanks.

You and I have had a few fights in the past, but I'm forgetting all that now. I owe you one.

[BL]Phalanx · Post by **[BL]Phalanx** » 2002-11-19 11:52pm

Vertigo1 wrote: So THATS why you didn't pull shit out of your ass (like outofstep and Adam Warlock do) when we debated about the power of the slicer beam on the Shadow "battlecrab".....

$5 says this really isn't Phalanx.

Sorry, Vert, this really is me.

Vertigo1 wrote: So do I. The real Phalanx doesn't even post REMOTELY like this.

That's because I wasn't quite myself. Or actually... I was myself, it was just a side of me you haven't seen before. Hell, it was a side of me I hadn't seen before.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-11-19 11:53pm

Vertigo1 wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:He's trying to get us to start flaming him so he can go back to SB.com and say "see, they did exactly what I told you they'd do. They attacked me just for being a Fiver."
You, are jumping to claims, I do know BL, he's not that kinda guy
So do I. The real Phalanx doesn't even post REMOTELY like this.

Gentlemen, there's an easy way to settle this. Does anyone know the real Phalanx's IP, or where he posts from? I can just compare the two. Let's do this via PM, as it's probably not a good idea to be posting IP addresses to the open forum, but I'll post the results (yea or nay) on this thread.

[BL]Phalanx · Post by **[BL]Phalanx** » 2002-11-19 11:55pm

Darth Wong wrote: Are you seriously saying this is someone different than the guy on SB.com? Come to think of it, we never bothered asking him if he was the same guy.

Does the SB.com BLPhalanx also attend University of California in Santa Cruz?

I am the same guy. I dunno how I'd prove it to you. Actually I do know how. Tell me to say something at SB, and I'll go there and post a new thread with that phrase.

And yes, I attend UCSC. This is my third year, majoring in computer science.

[BL]Phalanx · Post by **[BL]Phalanx** » 2002-11-19 11:57pm

SirNitram wrote: HDS, he is trolling, and from a second glance, he's giving the real Phoenix a bad name. That's reason to HoS.

Yeah I know I was being.... difficult. I apologize, but when I saw Vert's post I felt as if I had betrayed my friends by not sharing in the disdain they received.

[BL]Phalanx · Post by **[BL]Phalanx** » 2002-11-19 11:59pm

Steve wrote: Yes, it is I. I figured the avatar would give it away.

Hey! What are you doing over here? I didn't know you posted here. I'll bet you're spending plenty of time over at the "Science, Logic, and Morality" board.

[BL]Phalanx · Post by **[BL]Phalanx** » 2002-11-20 12:01am

Look, I know I was being deliberately irritating. I'm not one to shirk from the consequences. If the penalty is permanent banning, I won't complain or try to sign on a second account.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-11-20 12:02am

[BL]Phalanx wrote:Look, I know I was being deliberately irritating. I'm not one to shirk from the consequences. If the penalty is permanent banning, I won't complain or try to sign on a second account.

Relax. You're not going to be banned for that. We don't ban members here for single threads, especially since apparently some people know about you from SB.com and respect you. Just try to make sure that this doesn't happen again. Okay?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-11-20 01:21am

[BL]Phalanx wrote:
SirNitram wrote: HDS, he is trolling, and from a second glance, he's giving the real Phoenix a bad name. That's reason to HoS.
Yeah I know I was being.... difficult. I apologize, but when I saw Vert's post I felt as if I had betrayed my friends by not sharing in the disdain they received.

Alright. You will be spared.

Have a cookie. The secret ingredient is Evil.

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2002-11-20 01:31pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
[BL]Phalanx wrote:Look, I know I was being deliberately irritating. I'm not one to shirk from the consequences. If the penalty is permanent banning, I won't complain or try to sign on a second account.
Relax. You're not going to be banned for that. We don't ban members here for single threads, especially since apparently some people know about you from SB.com and respect you. Just try to make sure that this doesn't happen again. Okay?

And if you ever pull something like this again....well, lets just say I'll have Hamblin give every B5 ship a new...paint job.