The Official Episode III spoiler thread

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-05-06 12:15am

VT-16 wrote:Which I made sure to mention in several replying posts.

I noticed that he also talked about Obi-Wan and Yoda recallibrating Order 66 to keep the Jedi away from Coruscant, when in reality it was something like General Signal 19 or such. He got that mixed up.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-05-06 12:55am

Another thing.

Considering how much he keeps repeating that the little nitpick/annoying things are no big deal, he sure seems to make a big deal out of them by bringing them up over and over again. I know that it's not all his fault, because people keep asking him about them, but you'd think if he had any sense he'd just stop talking about it.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-05-06 04:23am

Overall, I just didn´t get that totally positive vibe, even though he insisted it was good. Oh well, at least I got to know something´s that might bother some people.

And Anakin´s reason for turning is a bit more complicated than he seemed to think (and others with him). It´s not all because of Padme. I´d say it´s a combination of misguided idealism and lust for power. Padme is just the part getting the most focus in this film.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-05-06 07:12am

Darksider wrote:Does anyone know which music from the soundtrack they're going to play when Anakin fights Obi-wan?

::::::Crosses fingers for "Battle of the Heroes"::::::

Obviously. And Obi-Wan vs Anakin, for obvious reasons. It even has the bit where Vader is throwing things at Luke from TESB.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2005-05-06 07:21am

Darksider wrote:Does anyone know which music from the soundtrack they're going to play when Anakin fights Obi-wan?

It might be a leap in logic, but I think the soundtrack title 'Anakin vs Obi-wan' might give you some clue.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2005-05-06 09:25am

I don't trust the titles from the Soundtrack CDs ever since the music from "Qui-Gon's Noble End" Ended up being used for the escape from Naboo.

It wouldn't be the first time they've used music from the soundtrack "out of place."

Plus, you could call it a fool's hope...

I mean, come on. Doesn't Battle of the Heroes sound so much cooler?
I can almost picture Anakin and Obi-Wan fighting when I listen to it.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2005-05-06 09:32am

They're the same bloody song, or similar enough to sound the same.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2005-05-06 09:37am

Well, It is supposed to be a ten minute long duel scene.

Mabye they'll use both?

I can't imagine them not using a track called "Battle of the Heroes" In anything other than a fight scene...

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2005-05-06 09:41am

Well not too long now. We will soon see the film in all it's hyped up glory. *fingers crossed that it won't suck*

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2005-05-06 09:44am

True enough.

Some of the reviews over at MF.com worry me a little.

But most of the reviews are positive.

:::::Joins Stofsk in crossing fingers:::::

EDIT: Screw what I said about Rottentomatoes.com. Right now EpIII has a 100%

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2005-05-06 11:41am

Not sure if anyone's posted it, but there is footage from the game available from the usual sources (MF.com), in small discreet packages, as well as the full package (350 MB) on torrent.

Not that I would ever to anything illegal, but the torrent has (using my clairvoyaunt skills) greater than 10 and less than 30 seeds at the moment ...

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-05-06 01:20pm

A stupid question but who and what was Bai Ling's character (it was cut from EP3(because she posed for Playboy acording to her))

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-05-06 01:33pm

There´s something I´ve been itching to say, but haven´t been quite sure about until now. It seems some of the critics have noticed a rather huge revelation in the film, and are guessing that most viewers won´t get it on their first showing. Basically, Palpatine implies that

Spoiler

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2005-05-06 01:38pm

I thought we already dealt with that "I need your help son" quote from the trailer.

He's just being a kindly old man, so he can set Anakin up to kill the Jedi for him.

Unless there's more in the film?

Also, I don't think you need a spoiler warning in the Episode III spoiler thread

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2005-05-06 01:40pm

I don't buy the 'palpatine' is the grandfather line of thought; why abandon Anakin to fate to be trained by the Jedi? Why bother with Darth Maul? Why not just train your son from the get-go?

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2005-05-06 01:43pm

Crown wrote:I don't buy the 'palpatine' is the grandfather line of thought; why abandon Anakin to fate to be trained by the Jedi? Why bother with Darth Maul? Why not just train your son from the get-go?

Agreed.

It's stupid and unworkable..

If that actually get's put into the film..... Even lucas at his worst couldn't possibly that dumb.

That's Bastard&Brainless level stupidity....

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-05-06 01:45pm

Unless there's more in the film?

Yes. It was actually one of the negatives pointed out by reviewers at CHUD. They thought it was blatantly clear, and a rehash of Vader being Luke´s dad/Leia being Luke´s sister.

why abandon Anakin to fate to be trained by the Jedi? Why bother with Darth Maul? Why not just train your son from the get-go?

Easy. To let him see the flaws of the Jedi up-close. Maul (if he had survived) would have been like Anakin´s final test before assuming his place as Palps´ right hand.

Either way, with this info it seems he was planning to "accidently" discover Anakin, get him into the order, and have things come around to his plans, no matter what. Qui-Gon just made the discovery for him.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2005-05-06 01:51pm

You got a link to this review?

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-05-06 01:52pm

She was a senator. I don´t believe she would be cut for that reason, probably just a publicity stunt on her part (she did attend SW conventions even after the cut. Why allow that if they didn´t want her there?)

Yeah Lucas doesn't seem that kind of a man, anyway one Lucas' daughters was in that scene and I don't think he would cut such a scene for reason that one several actors (who's isn't even in a critical role) did something that he didn't aprove.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-05-06 01:54pm

A bunch of semi-reviews from various CHUD staff, interspersed with discussion. They mention it here and there:

+http://chud.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80554

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-05-06 01:55pm

VT-16 wrote:[snip]

I doubt it. They redacted that explanation from the original script for a reason, no doubt. It makes no bloody fuckin sense, either.

No, I call bullshit.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-05-06 01:59pm

Fine by me, go to the CHUD boards and complain. (Just remember to wear a flame-retardent suit.

)

I really don´t care if it´s implied in any strong fashion or not, the implications of any familiar bond between the main villain and the heroes is good in my view. It adds to Palpatine´s character and changes the nature of the conflict slightly. It´s not needed, but I won´t denounce it either.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2005-05-06 02:11pm

VT-16 wrote:
Crown wrote:Why abandon Anakin to fate to be trained by the Jedi? Why bother with Darth Maul? Why not just train your son from the get-go?
Easy. To let him see the flaws of the Jedi up-close. Maul (if he had survived) would have been like Anakin´s final test before assuming his place as Palps´ right hand.

Sorry man, but we're getting into 'Dr Evil' mode here with Sharks with freakin' laser beams attached to their heads.

After birth a quick midiC check would have told him all that he needed to know (if Anakin is his creation), everything else is just ... warped.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-05-06 02:23pm

Sorry man, but we're getting into 'Dr Evil' mode here with Sharks with freakin' laser beams attached to their heads.

Yes, which will lead into the age of space stations with planet-shattering superlasers that travel faster than light!!!

After birth a quick midiC check would have told him all that he needed to know (if Anakin is his creation), everything else is just ... warped.

I may have wrote it abit poorly. It seems Palps went to the Outer Rim, found a suiting woman, performed some ancient Sith magic, and possibly used his power of foresight to see where a Jedi like Qui-Gon would land to find this "wünderkid". Then it´s a case of subtly guiding the boy, feeding his mistrust of the faulty Jedi Order, let it stir for some years, and get his unstoppable killing machine that helps him get rid of the pesky Jedi and inherit his throne.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2005-05-06 02:27pm

VT-16 wrote:Yes, which will lead into the age of space stations with planet-shattering superlasers that travel faster than light!!!

There is a difference between an overly elaborate plan whereby twenty million things could go wrong (despite the redundancy of lasers on sharks), and the simplicity of blowing up a planet that could otherwise ward off a conventional attack.

VT-16 wrote:I may have wrote it abit poorly. It seems Palps went to the Outer Rim, found a suiting woman, performed some ancient Sith magic, and possibly used his power to see where a Jedi like Qui-Gon would land to find this "wünderkid". Then it´s a case of subtly guiding the boy, feeding his mistrust of the faulty Jedi Order, let it stir for some years, and get his unstoppable killing machine that helps him get rid of the pesky Jedi and inherit his throne.

No you didn't write it poorly. And oh look, we just past Dr Evil stage ... it is really, really bad. Really. Seriously. Bad. Just ... wrong.