Who/what could "Bind" an Outer God?

Majin Gojira · Post by **Majin Gojira** » 2005-05-03 05:38pm

Yes, this is one of many fanfic ideas that will probably never be written but what the hell:

What entities/societies would have the power to be able to bind/Contain Yog-Sothoth? And who would be stupid enough to try it--being as (last time I checked) he is considered to be the embodiment of the Space/Time Continuum (or at least, he will be considered to be for story purposes)?

Thoughts? Answers? Public Admissions of Guilt?

Elheru Aran · Post by **Elheru Aran** » 2005-05-03 05:41pm

*scratches head* John Constantine?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2005-05-03 05:44pm

Yog-Sogoth.. As I recall it.. is Time. Containing/binding Time is rather ridiculous. Containing the intelligence Yog-Sogoth would probably require usurping it with a new one. We're talking on par with Karsus' Avatar for such a feat.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2005-05-03 05:45pm

Elheru Aran wrote:*scratches head* John Constantine?

constantine's a clever bastard, but doesn't have too much in the way of raw magical might. in original sins he had to enlist the aid of a vodoun in order to bind a hunger demon, so it's unlikely he'd be able to contain yog-sothoth by himself. though chances are he might be able to trick the demon into binding itself. or find someone with enough power to do it for him.

Tzeentch · Post by **Tzeentch** » 2005-05-03 06:12pm

Darth_Zod wrote:constantine's a clever bastard, but doesn't have too much in the way of raw magical might. in original sins he had to enlist the aid of a vodoun in order to bind a hunger demon, so it's unlikely he'd be able to contain yog-sothoth by himself. though chances are he might be able to trick the demon into binding itself. or find someone with enough power to do it for him.

It's hard to trick something that doesn't have a mind in the conventional sense of the word. In lovecraft's works, no one really binds the outer gods; the best they can do is banish them.

Maybe the Living Tribunal?

Civil War Man · Post by **Civil War Man** » 2005-05-03 06:30pm

Yeah, considering that Yog-Sothoth is coterminus with all space and time, I don't think anyone really has the power, much less the balls, to pull that off.

It would probably be easier to bind entities like Cthulhu or Nyarlathotep, but still, if a human finds a way to do that, something's already gone awry.

Junghalli · Post by **Junghalli** » 2005-05-03 06:45pm

God is the only thing I can think of offhand that would be able to take Yog Sothoth on and win. Well, him and various other dieties.

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2005-05-03 06:59pm

How about omnipotent beings like Q or Beyonder, or probably The Spectre or Living Tribunal?

IIRC in Zero Hour Parallax bent space and time to re-write history. Can he bind Yog-Sothoth?

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2005-05-03 07:03pm

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:How about omnipotent beings like Q or Beyonder, or probably The Spectre or Living Tribunal?

IIRC in Zero Hour Parallax bent space and time to re-write history. Can he bind Yog-Sothoth?

q isn't typically considered omnipotent. parallax might stand a chance, as might the spectre. though i couldn't say anything about the living tribunal as i know nothing about them.

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2005-05-03 07:11pm

Darth_Zod wrote:
Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:How about omnipotent beings like Q or Beyonder, or probably The Spectre or Living Tribunal?

IIRC in Zero Hour Parallax bent space and time to re-write history. Can he bind Yog-Sothoth?
q isn't typically considered omnipotent. parallax might stand a chance, as might the spectre. though i couldn't say anything about the living tribunal as i know nothing about them.

IIRC Living Tribunal is on the same league with The Spectre.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-05-03 07:17pm

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:
Darth_Zod wrote:
Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:How about omnipotent beings like Q or Beyonder, or probably The Spectre or Living Tribunal?

IIRC in Zero Hour Parallax bent space and time to re-write history. Can he bind Yog-Sothoth?
q isn't typically considered omnipotent. parallax might stand a chance, as might the spectre. though i couldn't say anything about the living tribunal as i know nothing about them.
IIRC Living Tribunal is on the same league with The Spectre.

Tribunal should be above, in the factor he has no need of a human host to guide his actions.

And Both Dr Fate and Zatara have bound an Elder God, so a lot of the mystical heavy hitters can.

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2005-05-03 07:57pm

According to the Illuminatus! trilogy, the Illuminati found a waqy to bind Yog Sothoth. That's what the Pentagon fnord was really built for. In the books, the Illuminati had him bound there and fed him several American souls every year to keep their US power base. At the end, the anti-Illuminati forces of the A^A^ fnord bust him out and he devours several of the Illuminati Primuses... including Israeli citizen Adolph Hitler.

Considering how deeply the Illuminatus trilogy is based on the Cthulhu mythos and the occult writings of the Golden Dawn, it might even count as a story inside the mythos. fnord

Crom · Post by **Crom** » 2005-05-06 04:00pm

Off the top of my head I came up with the following:

John Constantine

Lucifer from DC's Vertigo

Potentially one of the Endless
(Dream, Death, Desire, Destruction, Despair, Delerium, Destiny)

Bugs Bunny

Owen Deathstalker (given his ability to pull a Deus Ex Machina at will)

Silver Age Superman at his height complete with that Sword that amplified his powers

I feel obligated to point out that I haven't read very much Lovecraft at all.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2005-05-06 04:02pm

A universe-killing Metabaron could take your measly sea-monster-insano-god on and win!

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2005-05-06 04:09pm

Shroom Man 777 wrote:A universe-killing Metabaron could take your measly sea-monster-insano-god on and win!

Depends on which Outer God we're talking about.

I suppose that the current Metabaron would make short work of Great Cthulhu, but against Azathoth, it'd be tough luck. Yeah, Sans Nom's father-mother Aghora did perhaps take out an entire universe himself, but that required a lot of conectration. Azathoth, however, creates and destroys universes by accident. Depending on how much less powerful Yog-Sothoth is than Azathoth, even the Metabaron would have trouble defeating Yog-Sothoth.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2005-05-06 04:13pm

How about a Metabaron armed with Jodoverse weaponry? LOTS of Jodoverse weaponry?

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2005-05-06 04:21pm

Shroom Man 777 wrote:How about a Metabaron armed with Jodoverse weaponry? LOTS of Jodoverse weaponry?

Well, I suppose the 3U bomb from the Technopriests comics (which could wipe out 3 parallel universes at once) might do the trick. Though that belonged to the TechnoPope and not the Metabaron.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2005-05-06 04:28pm

Can't a Metabaron acquire that somehow? I was under the impression the Metabarons could access a plethora of doomsday Jodoweaponry.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2005-05-06 04:40pm

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Can't a Metabaron acquire that somehow? I was under the impression the Metabarons could access a plethora of doomsday Jodoweaponry.

Let's see... the 3U bomb was made at the time of Aghnar's self-imposed exile, but since he had refused to hire himself out to the Church Of Industrial Saints (who possessed the 3U bomb), I doubt he could access it. However, since I don't remember what the CoIS did with the 3U bomb, perhaps with a bit of repair (it was disarmed by Albino IIRC), then Sans Nom could theoretically get it and throw it at Yog-Sothoth.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2005-05-06 04:41pm

Hah! Eat that, squiddie!

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2005-05-06 04:47pm

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Hah! Eat that, squiddie!

Actually, Yog-Sothoth appears as a cluster of floating glowing spheres. Not unlike a floating bubble bath.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2005-05-06 04:49pm

Bubbly then. Bleh. Metabaron > Yog.

Enigma · Post by **Enigma** » 2005-05-06 04:51pm

Ghost Rider wrote:<snip>Tribunal should be above, in the factor he has no need of a human host to guide his actions.

And Both Dr Fate and Zatara have bound an Elder God, so a lot of the mystical heavy hitters can.

Actually Spectre and the Living Tribunal are on the same level. The DC vs. Marvel Series showed both of them as the highest beings being unable to stop the two separate multiverse super beings from embracing each other thus merging both multiverses.

Majin Gojira · Post by **Majin Gojira** » 2005-05-06 04:57pm

What is this Jodoverse? It is completely unknown to me...

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2005-05-06 05:16pm

Majin Gojira wrote:What is this Jodoverse? It is completely unknown to me...

The setting of various science-fiction graphic novels all written by one Alexandro Jodorowsky. They include:

Incal (also known as John DiFool after the main character): Supposedly a great source of inspiration for Luc Besson when he made The Fifth Element(as well as the Raelian Movement). It's about this private investigator in the far future who becomes the reluctant messiah of the universe by coming in contact with the Glowing Incal (or something like that). Really too weird to describe, but one hell of a story. Involves stuff like telepathic rats which change size according to the fear of the people around, an androgynous child who transmogrifies into a spaceship during a group meditation session, a guy with a dog's head (called "Kill"), supernova weapons and whatnot. Various the prequels Avant L'Incal and the sequel Aprés L'Incal is supposedly even weirder - the latter depicts God and Satan as shape-shifting robots.

The Caste Of The Metabarons or just The Metabarons: Tells the story from generation to generation of the Castaka family, a noble dynasty in the future consisting of these cyborg spacefaring mercenary-knights who occassionally save humanity but just are plain dangerous most of the time. Probably among the most violent comic books if we judge by corpse count alone. The official Metabarons website

The Technopriests: Well, in the Jodoverse, thing is that this machine-worshipping cult called the Church Of Industrial Saints (or more colloquially the Techno-Technos or just the Technopriests) have a monopoly upon advanced technology and manufacture a lot of bizarre virtual-reality computer games. (the playing of which is regarded almost as holy rituals in the far future) They also have various bizarre plans about eradicating all life in the universe and replacing it with robots. The Technopriests comics basically detail the story of Albino (aptly-named, he has albinism), a reformator within the Church of Industrial Saints.

Megalex: My least favourite of the Jodoverse graphic novels. If you take every dystopia in the history of science-fiction and throw it into a blender (add a fair dose of magic mushrooms or other hallucinogens), the result would be not totally unlike Megalex.