Nautilus vs Sea Quest DSV

[DocHorror]

Okay, in the red corner we have the Nautilus from the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Captained by Nemo...

In the blue corner we have Sea Quest DSV Captained by Roy Schnider killer of Jaws and general wrinkly guy with leather like skin...

Who would win?

Bearing in mind that Sea Quest gets no special treatment because it has Ted Raimi in the cast...

[MKSheppard]

Okay, in the red corner we have the Nautilus from the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Captained by Nemo...

In the blue corner we have Sea Quest DSV Captained by Roy Schnider killer of Jaws and general wrinkly guy with leather like skin...

Who would win?

Bearing in mind that Sea Quest gets no special treatment because it has Ted Raimi in the cast...

You just had to do this did you? You had to set up a battle between some of
my favorite characters, you EVIL SADIST!

[MKSheppard]

Bearing in mind that Sea Quest gets no special treatment because it has Ted Raimi in the cast...

Ted Rami in SeaQuest was quite good as the communications guy. Definitely not
the fucked up Joxer in Xena....it must have been horrible for him to jump
from a serious role to that abortion of a role....but it pays the bills, which
that whore who played KES learned.....hehehe

[DocHorror]

Indeed, its this difficult decisions that make life so interesting...

IMO the Nautilus (note: I am using the one from LoEG in this thread, not the original from 20,000 Leagues...though I doubt there is much of a difference in performance, I think its really only a difference of asthetics)

[MKSheppard]

IMO the Nautilus (note: I am using the one from LoEG in this thread, not the original from 20,000 Leagues...though I doubt there is much of a difference in performance, I think its really only a difference of asthetics)

THIS:



Is NOT the Nautilus, and THIS is not Captain Nemo:

[MKSheppard]

[Sea Skimmer]

Sea Quest has nine torpedo tubes, SLBM's and in its later incarnation energy beam weapons. It was torpedoed several times with only minimal flooding and seems to displace a hundred thousand tons or more.

Nautilus has a nasty ram and the ability to avoid damage from hitting wooden hulled ships. It displaces a few thousand tons or less.

Not much competition. The book Nautilus is likely faster at 50 knots, but that’s its only advantage.

[MKSheppard]

But the Verne novels had Captain nemo as a man bitterly opposed to the
surface world, as well as the EMPIRE which killed his family and enslaved him.

(PS, Verne originally wanted Nemo to be a Pole whose wife was killed and his
two sons exiled to Siberia, but his publisher had him change Nemo into
an Indian prince)

So there is NO WAY Nemo would be helping the world like that. He'd just
sit back and run over the Martians in his Nautiulus

[MKSheppard]

Not much competition. The book Nautilus is likely faster at 50 knots, but that's its only advantage.

You forget SeaQuest is capable of 100+ knot speeds

It's a shame how they fucked SeaQuest up after Season 1.

BTW, it was nice seeing the boat in a cornfield being lifted by
some helicopters....those must be some damn powerful helos, ehehhe

[DocHorror]

As for the Nautilus I would argue artistic license on O'Neils part...LoEG is set after the events in 20,000 Leagues & Msyterious Island...

as for Nemo, he is Indian since it was the brutal suppression of the Indians during the 1857-58 uprising...

Here's a quote from Mysterious Island...

'Captain Nemo was an Indian, Prince Dakkar, the son of a rajah of the then independent territory of Bundelkund and a nephew of the Indian hero, Tippu-Sahib. His father sent him to Europe when he was ten years old in order that he receive a complete education with the secret intention that he would fight one day with equal arms against those whom he considered to be the oppressors of his country.
In 1857, the great Sepoy revolt erupted. Prince Dakkar was its soul. He organized the immense upheaval. He put his talents and his riches to the service of this cause. He sacrificed himself. He fought in the front lines, he risked his life like the humblest of those heros who had risen up to free their country; he was wounded ten times in twenty encounters but could not find death when the last soldiers of the fight for independence fell under English bullets.'

[MKSheppard]

as for Nemo, he is Indian since it was the brutal suppression of the Indians during the 1857-58 uprising.

See above. Vernes' publisher forced him to change Nemo's Origin to
that of an Indian prince. He was originally a Pole.

[DocHorror]

Well regardless of whether JV wanted him to be a pole or not, he IS Indian...



I think we can agree on that...

I will admit that my knowledge is likely to be inferior to yours since I am only half way through 20,000 Leagues...

[MKSheppard]

Well regardless of whether JV wanted him to be a pole or not, he IS Indian...



I think we can agree on that...

I will admit that my knowledge is likely to be inferior to yours since I am only half way through 20,000 Leagues...

I just watched the Disney movie for the first time in almost 10 years, and
I'm about halfway through my first re-reading of 20k Leagues in 10 years.

Basically, the Impression that verne gives us of Nemo is that he is
a cultured gentleman, and that there are no identifying marks as
to his nationality nor that of his crew's. If he looked like a wild dervish,
his nationality would be OBVIOUS. Since it isn't in the book, we must
conclude that he looks like your typical european in dress and manners.

[DocHorror]

True, BUT, in Msyterious (as Im am led to believe) we are given Nemo history, which states he is Indian...

I believe this mix up is because Verne wanted to leave his nationality nuetral in 20,000 Leagues, but he wanted to give some history to the character in MI...

Though I don't think that there is any mention of him being SO Indian (if you take my meaning) and that the Nemo in LoEG essentailly the Nemo of the books with a degree of artistic lisence on Alan Moores part...

[MKSheppard]

T
Though I don't think that there is any mention of him being SO Indian (if you take my meaning) and that the Nemo in LoEG essentailly the Nemo of the books with a degree of artistic lisence on Alan Moores part...

You want artistic license? How about this:

In one of the 20,000 Leagues films, Nemo has a DAUGHTER on the
nautilus that Arronax falls in love with.

[DocHorror]

Incidently, go here...

Notes on the LoEG

For a damned good insight into the LoEG, it gives literary references to nearly every frame of the series and shows the depth of Moore's work...

[DocHorror]

That very well may be true...

But for the sake of this thread I did state that I was using the Nemo & Nautilus from LoEG...



I too like to see characters integrity kept intact, so I can see your point...

[Kuja]

The SeaQuest is going to hand the Nautilus its ass on a silver platter. Sorry, but that's how huge the difference between them is.

[neoolong]

The SeaQuest has technology on his side. The SeaQuest all the way.

[Patrick Degan]

In one of the 20,000 Leagues films, Nemo has a DAUGHTER on the nautilus that Arronax falls in love with.

Yes... the original 1916 silent version of Twenty Thousand Leagues Under The Sea directed by Stuart Paton. They essentially combined 20K with The Mysterious Island. But that movie is the only filmed version which is accurate to Nemo's heritage.

Although, we all know that the one and only Capt. Nemo is actually James Mason.

[Vympel]

I thought SeaQuest was shit. Like honestly ... what was there to like?

[MKSheppard]

Yes... the original 1916 silent version of Twenty Thousand Leagues Under The Sea directed by Stuart Paton. They essentially combined 20K with The Mysterious Island. But that movie is the only filmed version which is accurate to Nemo's heritage.

Damn, I checked and you're right. One more reason not to see the 1916
version, as it was EXPLICT in both novels that Nemo's family was killed.

Anyway, I was referring to the more recent Ben Cross 20k Leagues film here:

http://us.imdb.com/Title?0118247

It had Nemo falling in love with Arronax's daughter, etc or some shite.

GARGH!

Although, we all know that the one and only Capt. Nemo is actually James Mason.

Damn right!

The Disney version may have played a bit fast and loose with the novel,
compressing some parts, and changing the order in which scenes appeared,
but it kept the core of the novel, which was Captain Nemo's hostility towards
the rest of humanity.

That and the fact that the set design for the '54 disney film and the costumes
were spot on.

Heres a essay analyzing the differences between the Verne Novel and
the '54 disney version, even if it is a bit pontificating, and reads a bit
TOO much into the relationships between Nemo and Arronnax:

http://jv.gilead.org.il/sfs/maertens.art.html

I love this quote:


In the novel, Verne's hero is last heard lamenting in his darkened library, “Almighty God! Enough! Enough!” (II§22:352).

In the film, James Mason's Nemo seems at peace, relieved by his
death when he proclaims: “When the world is ready for a new
and better life, all this will someday come to pass—in God's good time.”

On one level, it is the invocation of Verne's mythical prescience,
but it takes on an intensely ambivalent meaning in the context
of 1954. We seem intended to conclude that God's good time
has come and he has given the United States nuclear submarines
and the atomic bomb because it can succeed where Nemo failed.

[MKSheppard]

I thought SeaQuest was shit. Like honestly ... what was there to like?

Which season did you see? The First, Second, or Third?

This is VERY important.

[DocHorror]

I haven't seen SeaQuest in vonks...

I remember the pilot episode and a few crapy first season episodes, but then I left it for ages. When I came back there where aliens and loads of weird shit....& Michael Ironside...

I admit that Nautilus is probably a bit outclassed here, but still, it brought out an interesting discussion...

[Vympel]

I thought SeaQuest was shit. Like honestly ... what was there to like?

Which season did you see? The First, Second, or Third?

This is VERY important.

There was a third season? I watched most of the first season- found it completely uninvolved. When the second season rolled around I was like ... WTF did they just do?