Help Please? Debating an Asshat Nazi

Post by **Surlethe** » 2005-05-09 01:50am

One of my friends is Jewish. He IMd me, told me about a conversation he had with a self-professed nazi. So, naturally, I asked for the Nazi's screen name (which is "A big cat", by the way), and am currently debating him.

Although I think he is a troll, I wanted the experience of debating, but he was being rather hardheaded, so I'm wondering about how to tear down his Wall of Ignorance.

Typical exchange:

A huge cat (him): Communists are inferior because they believe they are equal - communism just cannot work
A huge cat: So anyone that thinks communism can work (which it can't) is a dumb ass
NECreadabo (me): question-begging
A huge cat: And therefore inferior
NECreadabo: "communists are inferior because they think the are equal, but they're actually inferior"
NECreadabo: dumbass

How should I go about debating him?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-05-09 01:53am

You can't reasonably debate someone who's a moron. I think communism is a bad system, but I can come up with far better reasons than the idiotic shit he spews. He's simply too stupid to debate.

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2005-05-09 01:57am

Uh, what are you debating here? This guy being a racist donkey fucker, or communism? And communism is stupid, because it takes away freedoms and removes incentives to work hard. Read the essay on the main site.

Post by **Surlethe** » 2005-05-09 02:01am

Jim Raynor wrote:Uh, what are you debating here? This guy being a racist donkey fucker, or communism?

The former.

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2005-05-09 02:08am

DW is right, you can't reasonably debate a dumbass. However, if you want to go a few rounds with this guy anyway (perhaps on the minute possibility that show him that he's wrong), a few of us can help you out. What arguments has he brought up to support his racist beliefs?

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2005-05-09 03:28am

Listen, don't waste your time. Hit the guy or something. Anyone who makes a claim 'it's stupid because it is stupid' is too dumb to understand the very notion that evidence should back up claims just means his ignorant, inbread head will never, ever accept any rational claim you make. Plus. Think about it. This guy wants to be a NAZI. That's stupid enough already.

Boyish-Tigerlilly · Post by **Boyish-Tigerlilly** » 2005-05-09 05:00am

You can always tell him communism is stupid, but he's right for the wrong reasons

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2005-05-09 09:25am

You cannot argue with someone who has no arguments.

That NOS Guy · Post by **That NOS Guy** » 2005-05-09 11:51am

Master of Ossus wrote:You cannot argue with someone who has no arguments.

No, but they'll try and argue with you!

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-05-09 06:33pm

I barely even understood the exchange above. Was the issue the fact that he thinks that all people are not equal?

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2005-05-09 07:04pm

wolveraptor wrote:I barely even understood the exchange above. Was the issue the fact that he thinks that all people are not equal?

No, the issue was that he believes Communists are inferior before they're Communist, therefore they're inferior. >_< It hurts the brain...

Boyish-Tigerlilly · Post by **Boyish-Tigerlilly** » 2005-05-09 07:20pm

You think this guy's bad? You should try debating on the Libertarian National Socialist Green Party homepage. It's entertaining.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2005-05-09 07:24pm

+http://www.nazi.org

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-05-09 07:25pm

Molyneux wrote:
wolveraptor wrote:I barely even understood the exchange above. Was the issue the fact that he thinks that all people are not equal?
No, the issue was that he believes Communists are inferior before they're Communist, therefore they're inferior. >_< It hurts the brain...

Communism is a form of economy, and a belief system. That's like saying Christians are all inferior when any dude could become a Christian, or deconvert. Similarly, a believer in Communism could begin to doubt it, and they wouldn't undergo some magic change into a superior person.

Post by **Surlethe** » 2005-05-09 09:23pm

The issue is he is a fucking racist, and thinks that's okay! How do I communicate to him across his Wall of Ignorance that racism is bad? I want to demolish his WoI. Is there a way to do that?

Kuroneko · Post by **Kuroneko** » 2005-05-09 09:29pm

Don't be too proud of the logical arguments you've constructed. The ability to use reason is insignificant next to the power of the Wall of Ignorance.

Zero · Post by **Zero** » 2005-05-09 09:30pm

Just say to him that there's absolutely no rational basis by which to be a racist. Hell, have him talk to me. I'm a hispanic, and he won't have a damned clue unless I tell him. Explain to him that race doesn't itself have an effect on the functionality of a person, and the only true race distintions occur primarily for economic reasons, and not because there's any functional difference between the races. Blarg... racism is stupid.

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2005-05-09 09:45pm

Surlethe wrote:The issue is he is a fucking racist, and thinks that's okay! How do I communicate to him across his Wall of Ignorance that racism is bad? I want to demolish his WoI. Is there a way to do that?

Begin by just simply asking him to provide supporting evidence in favor of his beliefs. I'm sure this clown's "evidence" will be a blatantly revisionist WCOTC-style retelling of history, which should be fairly easy to point out. If he falls back on the "blacks statistically commit more crimes than white people," argument, be sure to tell him that's true, whites also commit more crimes than Asians.

Post by **Surlethe** » 2005-05-09 10:05pm

Begin by just simply asking him to provide supporting evidence in favor of his beliefs.

He is avoiding doing that by stating, in essence, "It's my belief. Therefore, it does not need to be justified."

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » 2005-05-09 10:06pm

It's not worth it. I mean, you probably have better things to do with your time than argue with shitstains like this person.

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2005-05-09 10:11pm

Surlethe wrote:
Begin by just simply asking him to provide supporting evidence in favor of his beliefs.
He is avoiding doing that by stating, in essence, "It's my belief. Therefore, it does not need to be justified."

Tell him his belief means shit, and he's proving that it's shit by being a pussy and refusing to back it up. Tell him it's your belief that he's a fucking dumbass. Shit, if he's really that bad, then don't even bother.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-05-09 10:11pm

Surlethe wrote:
Begin by just simply asking him to provide supporting evidence in favor of his beliefs.
He is avoiding doing that by stating, in essence, "It's my belief. Therefore, it does not need to be justified."

This is like playing poker with someone who refuses to recognize the rules of poker. It's futile and you're wasting your time.

mr friendly guy · Post by **mr friendly guy** » 2005-05-09 10:28pm

Ask him if the Nazis are so superior to the communists, why did they lose to the Red army?

Note I am going to assume he at least knows what the Red army is.

Post by **Surlethe** » 2005-05-09 11:25pm

Thanks for all the comments and advice!

My friend wanted me to post this, a conversation he had with the asshat nazi. He's following this thread with interest, and he'd like comments on it. What're all your thoughts?

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2005-05-09 11:36pm

The real solution to people like that? Dust off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

*facepalms* Reading through that... ugh. Some people are useless wastes of flesh. Thanks to the wonders of technology, I will now put that entire log through the Bullshit Condenser(tm).

BS Condenser wrote: "GRRRRR! Look at me! Germans are cool! I want to be a Nazi! Hitler is awesome! I want Hitler's Babies! Go Bush! Blame Jews! Debate and reading comprehension is for losers! Animals are dumb, therefor, Hitler is good. You're stupid because you know things like 'facts'. Only stupid people need facts!"

Don't even bother talking to these people. Your attempts to reason only result in the guy's handful of remaining brain cells committing Seppuku to escape the void of stupidity that surrounds them.