Amber Question

[weemadando]

Is it reasonable to assume that all universes mentioned in the entire sphere of literature, mythology and culture exist within shadow in the Amber-verse, but were not mentioned within the novels due to copyright issues?

Eg:

Can we assume that The Wheel of Time "universe", Lord of the Rings etc exists within the "Amber-verse" as shadows, but are not referred to so as not to cause copyright infringements?

[Vympel]

Wha?

[haas mark]

In other words, wem is asking if the Amberverse is a literary UNIverse. Thusly, all worlds and such from other literary works (WoT, LotR, SW, ST, EVERYTHING) would be part of the Amberverse, despite whether they were written by other authors.

Personally, I vote Nay, BECAUSE they were written by other authors.

[Mr. Mister]

But Amber, by definition, is all-inclusive. On the other hand, since this universe only exists as a particularly popular shadow, one could argue that these literary universes would only exist if, having read their sources, some Ameberite felt like spending some time in them.

[Eleas]

Is it reasonable to assume that all universes mentioned in the entire sphere of literature, mythology and culture exist within shadow in the Amber-verse, but were not mentioned within the novels due to copyright issues?

Eg:

Can we assume that The Wheel of Time "universe", Lord of the Rings etc exists within the "Amber-verse" as shadows, but are not referred to so as not to cause copyright infringements?

No, because some of them have their own, equally valid, take on the multiversum (IE His Dark Materials and all the stories of Tanelorn).

[Eleas]

In other words, wem is asking if the Amberverse is a literary UNIverse. Thusly, all worlds and such from other literary works (WoT, LotR, SW, ST, EVERYTHING) would be part of the Amberverse, despite whether they were written by other authors.

Personally, I vote Nay, BECAUSE they were written by other authors.

Nearly all fantasy books reside in their own literary Universe; Amber, Conan, LoTR etc. Amber itself is a literary Multiverse - it spans a multitude of dimensions.

[weemadando]

In other words, wem is asking if the Amberverse is a literary UNIverse. Thusly, all worlds and such from other literary works (WoT, LotR, SW, ST, EVERYTHING) would be part of the Amberverse, despite whether they were written by other authors.

Personally, I vote Nay, BECAUSE they were written by other authors.

That is not my arguement.

My arguement is that these other literary universes exist somewhere within shadow. Whether or not they are mentioned is irrelevant. The point is that shadow is infinite and it is a quite reasonable assumption that within shadow there are shadows that ARE the WoT and LotR universes. Regardless of authors.

[Eleas]

In other words, wem is asking if the Amberverse is a literary UNIverse. Thusly, all worlds and such from other literary works (WoT, LotR, SW, ST, EVERYTHING) would be part of the Amberverse, despite whether they were written by other authors.

Personally, I vote Nay, BECAUSE they were written by other authors.

That is not my arguement.

My arguement is that these other literary universes exist somewhere within shadow. Whether or not they are mentioned is irrelevant. The point is that shadow is infinite and it is a quite reasonable assumption that within shadow there are shadows that ARE the WoT and LotR universes. Regardless of authors.

I got the impression that the number of shadows was finite. Otherwise, how would anyone be able to shadow-walk and eventually reach the Courts? If the number of shadows were infinite, you'd never be able to go from one side to the other, as it were.

[weemadando]

In other words, wem is asking if the Amberverse is a literary UNIverse. Thusly, all worlds and such from other literary works (WoT, LotR, SW, ST, EVERYTHING) would be part of the Amberverse, despite whether they were written by other authors.

Personally, I vote Nay, BECAUSE they were written by other authors.

That is not my arguement.

My arguement is that these other literary universes exist somewhere within shadow. Whether or not they are mentioned is irrelevant. The point is that shadow is infinite and it is a quite reasonable assumption that within shadow there are shadows that ARE the WoT and LotR universes. Regardless of authors.

I got the impression that the number of shadows was finite. Otherwise, how would anyone be able to shadow-walk and eventually reach the Courts? If the number of shadows were infinite, you'd never be able to go from one side to the other, as it were.

While shadow walking you don't pass through ALL the shadows. You choose the path that you walk, it can be as short or as long as you like.

[Eleas]

While shadow walking you don't pass through ALL the shadows. You choose the path that you walk, it can be as short or as long as you like.

Of course, you're right, I misremembered.

[fgalkin]

No. Amber is nothing more than a complex, multi-layerd universe in the Sphere of the Worlds.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[fgalkin]

Which brings up the idea of an Amber vs. Perumovverse thread, on which I'm working on (right now, I'm compiling all the info on it and translating it into English)

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Hendrake]

The 'Alice in Wonderland' bar in the Merlin books sets a good precedent in favor.

However, I think it is debatable wether and how Shadow is infinite., but it probably belongs to another thread.