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Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-05-09 12:40pm

Was that from the "Lucas raped my childhood and isn't making the films I want him to" guy? IIRC from MF, he has a MAJOR case against Lucas, Star Wars, and Peter Jackson, among others.

He's just a whiny bitch.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-05-09 12:40pm

He didn't have all three prequels written before Shrubby was elected. He only wrote the RotS script in 2003, I think. Maybe early 2004. It's the general plot he had worked out, so the point remains the same.

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2005-05-09 12:49pm

Darth Servo wrote: Anyway, the over all rating is now down to 89%. The worst review so far:
"For every thrilling space battle or lightsaber dual you get, you get two scenes with embarrassingly bad dialogue and line delivery."
This idiot clearly doesn't understand SW. SW has NEVER been about great dialogue.

Actually, it's up again. It was down to 80 % for awhile.

Dartzap · Post by **Dartzap** » 2005-05-09 12:53pm

4 out of 5 on the BBC

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-05-09 01:00pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Was that from the "Lucas raped my childhood and isn't making the films I want him to" guy? IIRC from MF, he has a MAJOR case against Lucas, Star Wars, and Peter Jackson, among others.

He's just a whiny bitch.

The negative review I posted? I don't think so. Thats from Stefan Halley, HERO REALM

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-05-09 01:01pm

Yeah, I'm thinking of Walter Chaw from Film Freak. Major douchebag, aparently.

Some guys over at MF are also waiting with mild anticipation to hear what Gene "Shit Head" Shalit thinks.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-05-09 01:09pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Yeah, I'm thinking of Walter Chaw from Film Freak. Major douchebag, aparently.

Ah yes. The review headed "ROTS is just a death twitch". What a butthead. All I have to say to him is

Lets look at one of his criticisms:

WC wrote:Along the way, Lucas continues to make his original trilogy of Star Wars films anachronistic by rendering lines like Ben's "Nobody's called me that since long before you were born" from A New Hope or Leia's gauzy, romantic memory of her mother in Return of the Jedi obsolete and destined for revision the next time Lucas decides to digitally mutate his babies.

I love the way he ignroes the fact that Obi-wan's statement is NOT precise and could be chalked up to old age and 20 years passing and Leia's memories of Amidala could EASILY be explained by a vision throught the Force.

Mark S · Post by **Mark S** » 2005-05-09 01:25pm

Darth Servo wrote:..and Leia's memories of Amidala could EASILY be explained by a vision throught the Force.

Or even more easily by a simple picture of her mother looking sad that she's seen.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-05-09 03:14pm

Mark S wrote:
Darth Servo wrote:..and Leia's memories of Amidala could EASILY be explained by a vision throught the Force.
Or even more easily by a simple picture of her mother looking sad that she's seen.

Especially since SW uses moving holograms and not still photographs. All Leia said she remembers is "images really"

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2005-05-09 07:53pm

Ender wrote:But come on - Lott Dod? Nute Gunray?
Trent Lott
Micheal Dod
Newt Gingrinch
Ronald Reagan

Who is this Michael Dodd you speak of? I've never heard of this politician.

I've always speculated that the source of the Dodd here mentioned was Christopher Dodd - a Democratic senator who was instrumental in passing some controversial pro-business legislation during the mid-1990s - around the time when GL probably would have started writing the prequels. I don't really know why Trent Lott is referenced though, as he has always been identified primarily as a social conservative rather than a business conservative.

Another thing - the TF's flagship is called The Invisible Hand, which is pretty obviously named after the capitalist invisible hand, which is one of the foundations of all arguments for free-market economics. So it's pretty obvious where GL falls.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-05-09 08:01pm

I'm not convinced. I'm pretty damn sure its not called the Invisible Hand in the script, but "Trade Federation Cruiser" or something generic. It may have been Saxton if not; he's behind a lot of the finance or economics-sounding names of ships for the Seperatists, like Lucrehulk for the Trade Federation's split-ring warships.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2005-05-09 08:03pm

Ah, you're probably right. If the Invisible Hand name doesn't originate with GL I doubt there's any significance attached to it.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-05-09 08:06pm

Joe wrote:Ah, you're probably right. If the Invisible Hand name doesn't originate with GL I doubt there's any significance attached to it.

Oh if it was Saxton its very intentional, but it also says nothing about GL's biases or stances either.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-05-09 08:33pm

The kind of person who hates a movie because he thinks he can detect subtle tones of George Lucas' political leanings in its plot is the kind of person who shouldn't be allowed off his leash, never mind being permitted to publish movie reviews.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2005-05-09 11:23pm

It's up to 91% now. Wow.

Now we just have to wait for the bulk of the cream of the crop reviews to come in and see if they savage it.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2005-05-10 01:30am

Joe wrote:It's up to 91% now. Wow.

It's been "Certified Fresh," too, now that it has enough reviews.

Now we just have to wait for the bulk of the cream of the crop reviews to come in and see if they savage it.

So far, though, the "Cream of the Crop" has been very favorable towards the film. They have four reviews in that section, two of them state that it's the best since "Empire..." and the others seem even more favorable.

Recalling how badly the critics bumbled the first two, I'm cautiously optimistic. What's weird is that a few of the critics have basically indicated that it's the best film ever, and some of the other ones were more "Meh. Good film, could've been a lot better."

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2005-05-10 01:50am

Captain Cyran wrote:
"I imagine that Revenge of the Sith is very much the film Lucas's fans want to see, but are some of them ready for an anti-Bush diatribe?"
What the flying fuck?

that critic, if you can call him that, is just jerking off

to his own contempt for Star Wars, and how he came up with Lucas making a political statement with the Yoda v. Sidious fight in the senate = Republicans v. Democrats is so far out there I can't even see it oh the horizon.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-05-10 04:53am

God damn, 22/2 positive: 92% fresh, with an 80% average rating...

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-05-10 09:44am

Invisible Hand is in the novelization. Considering that the novel mentions Carracks, Victory-class Star Destroyers, and Dreadnoughts, but doesn't mention Venator Star Destroyers even once, I doubt Invisible Hand was Dr. Saxton's doing.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-05-10 11:05am

Now we just have to wait for the bulk of the cream of the crop reviews to come in and see if they savage it.

I thought most "cream-of-the-crop" reviews had already been made? What´s left?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-05-10 11:07am

There are a lot of critics from various major media outlets (networks, magazines, radio, newspapers) that haven't been heard from yet.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-05-10 01:36pm

Death from the Sea wrote:
Captain Cyran wrote:
"I imagine that Revenge of the Sith is very much the film Lucas's fans want to see, but are some of them ready for an anti-Bush diatribe?"
What the flying fuck?
that critic, if you can call him that, is just jerking off to his own contempt for Star Wars, and how he came up with Lucas making a political statement with the Yoda v. Sidious fight in the senate = Republicans v. Democrats is so far out there I can't even see it oh the horizon.

If you really really want to see something, you will. That's the lesson anyone who studied Shakespeare "literary analysis" learned in high school.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2005-05-10 03:51pm

Darth Wong wrote: If you really really want to see something, you will. That's the lesson anyone who studied Shakespeare "literary analysis" learned in high school.

i had an artsy fartsy Highschool literature teacher who babbled on endlessly about the artistic and political undertones of Terminator. God, what an idiot. On the bright side we did get to watch Terminator in Highschool Lit. class.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-05-11 10:26am

God diggity damn, it's now 27/2 positive at 93%...

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2005-05-11 11:28am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:God diggity damn, it's now 27/2 positive at 93%...

I know, this is getting surreal...