Jedi vs. Protoss

[Kuja]

Have you watched Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring?

I have it. I just don't get your point.

[Shinova]

He means, I think, 'Who can take the most hits and keep on fighting?"

Cyril is correct.

[Shinova]

Or, assuming psi-blades can block lightsabers, it'd become something like a lightsaber duel.

[Kuja]

He means, I think, 'Who can take the most hits and keep on fighting?"

Cyril is correct.

Ah. Protoss, probably.

[pecker]

In-game calcs are shit. Any thinking person should realize RTS games are heavily tilted against reality and CS's gameplay is no exception.

Does anyone really think that hydralisks and marines would be able to down Battlecruisers and Carriers?

Look at the size of the carrier in some of the Protoss loading screens.

Cinematics are the only decent calcs. And according to those, the rifles are shit. The Protoss get their asses handed to them.

Your logic fails. You say the rifles are shit. However, since you say we can't use in-game, we have no idea the damage they'll inflict of a zealot.

[HemlockGrey]

Aren't the rifles some form of railgun that fires DU shells? Sounds rather powerful to me.

[pecker]

Aren't the rifles some form of railgun that fires DU shells? Sounds rather powerful to me.

It should be powerful, but has demonstrated erratic firepower.

[HemlockGrey]

Well, most of the time, when we see marines firing them, they're under considerable duress, worn-out, tired, surrounded, and just damn scared to hell.

Has anyone done any serious weapon calcs for SC?

[Shinova]

Well, most of the time, when we see marines firing them, they're under considerable duress, worn-out, tired, surrounded, and just damn scared to hell.

Has anyone done any serious weapon calcs for SC?

Impossible until SC:G comes out.

[Illuminatus Primus]

In-game calcs are shit. Any thinking person should realize RTS games are heavily tilted against reality and CS's gameplay is no exception.

Does anyone really think that hydralisks and marines would be able to down Battlecruisers and Carriers?

Look at the size of the carrier in some of the Protoss loading screens.

Cinematics are the only decent calcs. And according to those, the rifles are shit. The Protoss get their asses handed to them.

Your logic fails. You say the rifles are shit. However, since you say we can't use in-game, we have no idea the damage they'll inflict of a zealot.

Exactly my point. We don't. Why think the ingame calcs are proportional when 8 mm weapons can shoot down Battlecruisers?

[Illuminatus Primus]

Someone asked for some serious calcs? Here's the only one....a product between a correspondence between Mike and I on the Apocalypse missiles that blasted Korhal to hell.

It says that Korhal was reduced to "a super-heated sphere of blackened glass." This would indicate to me that all life on the planet's surface was annhiliated and the temperature reached enormous amounts, with areas near the detonation point of the missiles' warheads actually fusing the soil and sand beneath it to glass.

If the quote is to be taken literally (and since it's a "story description" rather than a technical manual, one must take this with a grain of salt), then it would indeed imply significant surface-level melting. Something like an Imperial BDZ operation (see my BDZ page). Maybe 1E24 J (around 250 million megatons). This would imply that a single Apocalypse-class missile is good for around 250 gigatons.

Interestingly, the planet was habitable within what couldn't be more then two decades. Of course, technology could've compensated for the outright destruction, and all missions on the planet's surface still show an arid world-wide desert. I think at the very least, this means nuclear fallout was not so considerable to eliminate the possibility of recolonization; indeed, the rebel leader who overthrew the Confederacy would establish his capital on barren Korhal.

The short timeframe implies that the planet did not suffer as badly as suggested by the quoted paragraph. In SW, Caamas was so badly damaged that it would have been easier to terraform a barren planet to duplicate it than it would have been to restore it to habitability.

I'd say around 100-220 gigaton apiece missiles.

[Illuminatus Primus]

In-game calcs are shit. Any thinking person should realize RTS games are heavily tilted against reality and CS's gameplay is no exception.

Does anyone really think that hydralisks and marines would be able to down Battlecruisers and Carriers?

Look at the size of the carrier in some of the Protoss loading screens.

Cinematics are the only decent calcs. And according to those, the rifles are shit. The Protoss get their asses handed to them.

*Ahem* reach advantage. Shields. Superior strength. two blades.

have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Just over a dozen Jedi Knights called up a version of the Force Storm and hurled a fleet of SDs through a spatial tear (descriptions of Force Storms imply that) to the edge of the Yavin System and tashed their navicomputers.

Luke built a fortress out of rubble without lifting a finger.

Non Dark-Side lightning.

Fore-sight. Something the Protoss don't have--their psionic abilities do not give them the gift of short foreseeing the future.

[pecker]

In-game calcs are shit. Any thinking person should realize RTS games are heavily tilted against reality and CS's gameplay is no exception.

Does anyone really think that hydralisks and marines would be able to down Battlecruisers and Carriers?

Look at the size of the carrier in some of the Protoss loading screens.

Cinematics are the only decent calcs. And according to those, the rifles are shit. The Protoss get their asses handed to them.

*Ahem* reach advantage. Shields. Superior strength. two blades.

have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

And they failed to use these in the Arena because....

The exact quote on Korhal is this:
"A salvo of one thousand Apocalypse-class nuclear missiles was fired at the planet of Korhal from the distant Confederate capital of Tarsonis. Over 4,000,000 people were annihilated during the savage attack. In a single instant, the prosperous colony of Korhal was reduced to nothing more than a super-heated sphere of blackened glass and stirring phantoms."



Just over a dozen Jedi Knights called up a version of the Force Storm and hurled a fleet of SDs through a spatial tear (descriptions of Force Storms imply that) to the edge of the Yavin System and tashed their navicomputers.

Luke built a fortress out of rubble without lifting a finger.

Non Dark-Side lightning.

Fore-sight. Something the Protoss don't have--their psionic abilities do not give them the gift of short foreseeing the future.

[Yogi]

One thing that I dislike, is people making a conclusion, then basing the evidence on it. Things like "A Marine shouldn't be able to take down a Battlecrusier, so all evidence that suggests this must be false" is bullshit.

[Yogi]

Let's assume that a lightsaber CAN penetrate the shield.

Why would the lightsaber penetrate the shield? The shield works just fine against all forms of energy weapons directed against it, including other psi-blades and warp blades.

[pecker]

Let's assume that a lightsaber CAN penetrate the shield.

Why would the lightsaber penetrate the shield? The shield works just fine against all forms of energy weapons directed against it, including other psi-blades and warp blades.

I'd say a lightsaber would simply have to pound it's way through the shield.

[Vympel]

What's SC:G ?

[Master of Ossus]

What's SC:G ?

Star Craft: Ghost. It's the new FPS coming out for the console, set in the SC universe.

[Vympel]

ooooh .... might be nice. Have to buy Metroid ...

[Shocker]

Well any RTS game calculations are problematic.

[pecker]

What's SC:G ?

Star Craft: Ghost. It's the new FPS coming out for the console, set in the SC universe.

Actually, it's third-person, but you got the idea.