But ot say that religion is in NO way supported by logic and/or reason is stupid, IMO.
How is the acceptance of beliefs which are nondisprovable and for which no evidence exists to prove leave the possibility open for logical support? Religion is antitheitical to logic.
While it goes against logic, it doesn't go against human nature.
Humans strive to understand the unknown. That which science does not or cannot explain, religion does.
Humans aren't completely logical beings, so stop acting all surprised and shocked that people believe in more than what's proven.
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But ot say that religion is in NO way supported by logic and/or reason is stupid, IMO.
How is the acceptance of beliefs which are nondisprovable and for which no evidence exists to prove leave the possibility open for logical support? Religion is antitheitical to logic.
While it goes against logic, it doesn't go against human nature.
Humans strive to understand the unknown. That which science does not or cannot explain, religion does.
Humans aren't completely logical beings, so stop acting all surprised and shocked that people believe in more than what's proven.
Enough with your strawman bullshit, pecker. I said that religion and logic are on opposite sides of the spectrum, which they are. I never mentioned anything about why humans believe in religion. I don't care why. That doesn't change the fact that it's irrational nonsense.
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Durandal wrote:
How is the acceptance of beliefs which are nondisprovable and for which no evidence exists to prove leave the possibility open for logical support? Religion is antitheitical to logic.
While it goes against logic, it doesn't go against human nature.
Humans strive to understand the unknown. That which science does not or cannot explain, religion does.
Humans aren't completely logical beings, so stop acting all surprised and shocked that people believe in more than what's proven.
Enough with your strawman bullshit, pecker. I said that religion and logic are on opposite sides of the spectrum, which they are. I never mentioned anything about why humans believe in religion. I don't care why. That doesn't change the fact that it's irrational nonsense.
he never said it *wasn't* irrational....just for you to stop acting suprised that people believe in it.
verilon wrote:Okay, but if you look at it, even Christianity *somewhat* follows evolution....and there is logic in there.....just hard to find, and not necessarily the logic of science. I necver said it was scientific.
Science does not use a particular form of logic; logic is independent of science. An argument is either logical or it isn't; it isn't enough for parts of it to be logical.
For example, the argument "A therefore B. B therefore C" is logical if you can show that A really causes B, and B really causes C". But the argument "A therefore B, B therefore C" is not logical if you can only justify one of the two connections. In other parts, partial logic is simply not good enough; a chain is as strong as its weakest link.
And you think I will obey your imperious commands ... why?
You annoy me.
If you don't want to be annoyed, then don't expect silly things, like me sitting there mutely while you tell me that it's "stupid" to think religion is illogical.
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Durandal wrote:
How is the acceptance of beliefs which are nondisprovable and for which no evidence exists to prove leave the possibility open for logical support? Religion is antitheitical to logic.
While it goes against logic, it doesn't go against human nature.
Humans strive to understand the unknown. That which science does not or cannot explain, religion does.
Humans aren't completely logical beings, so stop acting all surprised and shocked that people believe in more than what's proven.
Enough with your strawman bullshit, pecker. I said that religion and logic are on opposite sides of the spectrum, which they are. I never mentioned anything about why humans believe in religion. I don't care why. That doesn't change the fact that it's irrational nonsense.
What? Where did I say it wasn't irrational? That's EXACTLY what I said. You need to think about what I wrote. I replied to your post, and added a new issue.
I said that while religion is irrational logically, it isn't 'unnatural'.
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"Evolution keeps bumping upward to new levels of creativity and surprise. We're her latest gizmos, her latest toys. Our mission, should we choose to accept it, is to throw ourselves with all our might and mane into what the universe will do with us or without us--creating new forms, new flows, new ways of being, new ways of seeing." -- Howard Bloom
Mr Bean wrote:Acutal come to think of it the most feared Religion is Islam, with Chrisitinaity a close second, Satanism is waay down the list, bewteen Judisim and Hiniuism
Actually, some fundamentalist Hindus drink bottled cow pee, terrifying in my book!
he never said it *wasn't* irrational....just for you to stop acting suprised that people believe in it.
Funny, I don't ever remember saying, "Oh my God! You're a Satanist! I'm so surprised that you believe that!"
I said it was irrational, and it is. This simple observation doesn't equate to surprise on my part, especially given the fact that I'm a cynic. Very little in the way of stupidity surprises me, these days.
Damien Sorresso
"Ever see what them computa bitchez do to numbas? It ain't natural. Numbas ain't supposed to be code, they supposed to quantify shit."
- The Onion
Mr Bean wrote:Acutal come to think of it the most feared Religion is Islam, with Chrisitinaity a close second, Satanism is waay down the list, bewteen Judisim and Hiniuism
Actually, some fundamentalist Hindus drink bottled cow pee, terrifying in my book!
Well, considering that they consider cows to be sacred...
Also, I heard somewhere that some species urine can actually act as a sort of antiseptic or something. But that's just heresay.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken --Tyler Durden, Fight Club
"Nothing, in religion or science, or philosophy . . .is more than the proper thing to wear, for a while." -- Charles Fort
"Evolution keeps bumping upward to new levels of creativity and surprise. We're her latest gizmos, her latest toys. Our mission, should we choose to accept it, is to throw ourselves with all our might and mane into what the universe will do with us or without us--creating new forms, new flows, new ways of being, new ways of seeing." -- Howard Bloom
What? Where did I say it wasn't irrational? That's EXACTLY what I said. You need to think about what I wrote. I replied to your post, and added a new issue.
Then my old description was inaccurate. The shit you tacked on about why humans believe what they believe is a red herring. My mistake.
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"Ever see what them computa bitchez do to numbas? It ain't natural. Numbas ain't supposed to be code, they supposed to quantify shit."
- The Onion
he never said it *wasn't* irrational....just for you to stop acting suprised that people believe in it.
Funny, I don't ever remember saying, "Oh my God! You're a Satanist! I'm so surprised that you believe that!"
I said it was irrational, and it is. This simple observation doesn't equate to surprise on my part, especially given the fact that I'm a cynic. Very little in the way of stupidity surprises me, these days.
Sorry, the last part wasn't directed at you personally, but more of a general statement.
And I used to be a cynic.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken --Tyler Durden, Fight Club
"Nothing, in religion or science, or philosophy . . .is more than the proper thing to wear, for a while." -- Charles Fort
"Evolution keeps bumping upward to new levels of creativity and surprise. We're her latest gizmos, her latest toys. Our mission, should we choose to accept it, is to throw ourselves with all our might and mane into what the universe will do with us or without us--creating new forms, new flows, new ways of being, new ways of seeing." -- Howard Bloom
What? Where did I say it wasn't irrational? That's EXACTLY what I said. You need to think about what I wrote. I replied to your post, and added a new issue.
Then my old description was inaccurate. The shit you tacked on about why humans believe what they believe is a red herring. My mistake.
A red herring is an attempt to throw attention away from the issue, yes?
I was just bringing up a new issue, not trying to cover up the old one. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken --Tyler Durden, Fight Club
"Nothing, in religion or science, or philosophy . . .is more than the proper thing to wear, for a while." -- Charles Fort
"Evolution keeps bumping upward to new levels of creativity and surprise. We're her latest gizmos, her latest toys. Our mission, should we choose to accept it, is to throw ourselves with all our might and mane into what the universe will do with us or without us--creating new forms, new flows, new ways of being, new ways of seeing." -- Howard Bloom
lmao. at least religions are discriminated equally against at this board.
and yes, I know the reply that religions have little base in science, and thus at this board.
I just find the whole thing amusing.
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verilon wrote:Okay, but if you look at it, even Christianity *somewhat* follows evolution....and there is logic in there.....just hard to find, and not necessarily the logic of science. I necver said it was scientific.
Science does not use a particular form of logic; logic is independent of science. An argument is either logical or it isn't; it isn't enough for parts of it to be logical.
For example, the argument "A therefore B. B therefore C" is logical if you can show that A really causes B, and B really causes C". But the argument "A therefore B, B therefore C" is not logical if you can only justify one of the two connections. In other parts, partial logic is simply not good enough; a chain is as strong as its weakest link.
And you think I will obey your imperious commands ... why?
You annoy me.
If you don't want to be annoyed, then don't expect silly things, like me sitting there mutely while you tell me that it's "stupid" to think religion is illogical.
The Satanist kid ducks for cover, forgotten, as his thread erupts into a typical SD.net religious debate/flamewar. Classic. LOL.
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GrandAdmiralPrawn wrote:The Satanist kid ducks for cover, forgotten, as his thread erupts into a typical SD.net religious debate/flamewar. Classic. LOL.
It wouldn't be SD.net otherwise :p
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken --Tyler Durden, Fight Club
"Nothing, in religion or science, or philosophy . . .is more than the proper thing to wear, for a while." -- Charles Fort
"Evolution keeps bumping upward to new levels of creativity and surprise. We're her latest gizmos, her latest toys. Our mission, should we choose to accept it, is to throw ourselves with all our might and mane into what the universe will do with us or without us--creating new forms, new flows, new ways of being, new ways of seeing." -- Howard Bloom
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Who knows he was into just scaring and trashing all of his parent's and the school admins. Then again he did get arrested for desecration, and removal of remains etc.
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THe Yosemite Bear wrote:Who knows he was into just scaring and trashing all of his parent's and the school admins. Then again he did get arrested for desecration, and removal of remains etc.
That is pretty fucked up. Did he try to remove organs from people with his bare hands?
