Amber

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2002-11-19 10:24pm

THe Yosemite Bear wrote:Well go fig, My exroomie and his friends refuse to read Amber and rave about WoT. Arrgh!

Yes this is the same one who dised my anime, because it wasn't Hentai....

Smite the heathen.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2002-11-19 10:32pm

Prumovverse owns all your pathetic asses. I will translate all the stuff into English, and post a big vs. thread soon.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-11-19 10:57pm

But under the laws of Amber, all of the fictional realities are mere shadows.

So Prumoverse would loose.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-19 10:58pm

Eleas wrote:
verilon wrote:
THe Yosemite Bear wrote:shapeshifts into bear form, instantly summons a nice honey BBQ glaze around Eleas balefired body.
*ahem* Balefire wipes Eleas from the Pattern. Entirely. No ashes. No remnants. Gone. About 15 mins ago.
AAAAAAAAAAARGGHH!!! I didn't see this before, but I now realized you really did desecrate the name of Zelazny with the unholy power of Jordan. *shudders*

Btw, one chaos storm summoned in a shadow would destroy that universe. Balefire? Pffft...

Having not read the series, I wouldn't know. Go pffft yourself.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2002-11-19 11:00pm

THe Yosemite Bear wrote:But under the laws of Amber, all of the fictional realities are mere shadows.

So Prumoverse would loose.

Lkewise, in the fiction of Nick Perumov, Amberverse is nothing more than a complex multi-level universe in the Sphere of the Worlds. Amberverse would lose.

have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-19 11:04pm

fgalkin wrote:
THe Yosemite Bear wrote:But under the laws of Amber, all of the fictional realities are mere shadows.

So Prumoverse would loose.
Lkewise, in the fiction of Nick Perumov, Amberverse is nothing more than a complex multi-level universe in the Sphere of the Worlds. Amberverse would lose.

have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Amber would win. I don't think it is right to have unrelated series be part of a universe that is in no way connected other than its own means, but that's just my opinion. Anyways, Amberverse states that ALL universes are part of the Amberverse, correct? SO that would incluse the Perumoverse.

Question: What is the Sphere of Worlds?

Post by **fgalkin** » 2002-11-19 11:07pm

verilon wrote:
fgalkin wrote:
THe Yosemite Bear wrote:But under the laws of Amber, all of the fictional realities are mere shadows.

So Prumoverse would loose.
Lkewise, in the fiction of Nick Perumov, Amberverse is nothing more than a complex multi-level universe in the Sphere of the Worlds. Amberverse would lose.

have a very nice day.
-fgalkin
Amber would win. I don't think it is right to have unrelated series be part of a universe that is in no way connected other than its own means, but that's just my opinion. Anyways, Amberverse states that ALL universes are part of the Amberverse, correct? SO that would incluse the Perumoverse.

Question: What is the Sphere of Worlds?

Perumovverse's name of the multiverse.

Btw, Amberites, please answer the following question:
How does time work? does it flow simultaneously in every shadow, does time flow in opposite directions in some shadows, etc?

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-19 11:10pm

So theoretically, Perumoverse and Amberverse COULD technically be the same thing, because they obviously are not mutually exclusive. They can't be outside each other for obvious reasons, and they can't be part of each other, so they MUST be EACH OTHER.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2002-11-19 11:13pm

verilon wrote:So theoretically, Perumoverse and Amberverse COULD technically be the same thing, because they obviously are not mutually exclusive. They can't be outside each other for obvious reasons, and they can't be part of each other, so they MUST be EACH OTHER.

Except that Perumoverse would eat Amber alive.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2002-11-19 11:15pm

verilon wrote: Having not read the series, I wouldn't know. Go pffft yourself.

Which series?

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-19 11:16pm

Eleas wrote:
verilon wrote: Having not read the series, I wouldn't know. Go pffft yourself.

Which series?

Obviously, the Amber series.

fgalkin: how so?

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-11-19 11:18pm

Ver has never read Amber.

Also time flows differently in different shadows.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2002-11-19 11:20pm

verilon wrote:
Eleas wrote:
verilon wrote: Having not read the series, I wouldn't know. Go pffft yourself.

Which series?
Obviously, the Amber series.

fgalkin: how so?

Intend to create a big Amber vs. Perumovers thread. There, I will include all info on it. I'm currently translating it into English, and putting it all together.

Also, please answer the time question, as it may determine the relationship of the universes to each other.

have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Post by **fgalkin** » 2002-11-19 11:21pm

THe Yosemite Bear wrote:Ver has never read Amber.

Also time flows differently in different shadows.

As in slower/faster?

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-19 11:22pm

fgalkin wrote:
THe Yosemite Bear wrote:Ver has never read Amber.

Also time flows differently in different shadows.
As in slower/faster?

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

It prolly could be anything and everything....it wouldn't really matter, as long as time flows different, that's really all that needs to be known.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2002-11-19 11:39pm

verilon wrote:
fgalkin wrote:
THe Yosemite Bear wrote:Ver has never read Amber.

Also time flows differently in different shadows.
As in slower/faster?

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin
It prolly could be anything and everything....it wouldn't really matter, as long as time flows different, that's really all that needs to be known.

Well, just wondering whether the time in Amber follows the River of Time.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Post by **weemadando** » 2002-11-19 11:52pm

fgalkin wrote:Well, just wondering whether the time in Amber follows the River of Time.

Time flow in Amber is weird.

You have shadows where years can pass in seconds in relation to Amber and some where a second may take a year to pass in Amber. And everything in between. Its one of the great tricks of the Amberites to go off to a "fast time" shadow to regenerate, recuperate or train. Or to a "slow time" shadow if they need to hide out for a LOOOONG time. Nearer to the courts time becomes even more variable flowing every which way.

Some Amberites and Chaosites with great control over either pattern or logrus can change the speed of time at a whim to suit their needs.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2002-11-19 11:53pm

weemadando wrote:
fgalkin wrote:Well, just wondering whether the time in Amber follows the River of Time.
Time flow in Amber is weird.

You have shadows where years can pass in seconds in relation to Amber and some where a second may take a year to pass in Amber. And everything in between. Its one of the great tricks of the Amberites to go off to a "fast time" shadow to regenerate, recuperate or train. Or to a "slow time" shadow if they need to hide out for a LOOOONG time. Nearer to the courts time becomes even more variable flowing every which way.

Some Amberites and Chaosites with great control over either pattern or logrus can change the speed of time at a whim to suit their needs.

Sweet. it's exactly like that in the Perumoverse, too. Except time can move backwards, too.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Post by **weemadando** » 2002-11-20 12:04am

fgalkin wrote: Sweet. it's exactly like that in the Perumoverse, too. Except time can move backwards, too.

I get the feeling that you probably would get the reverse time flow areas REALLY close to the courts...

Post by **fgalkin** » 2002-11-20 12:09am

weemadando wrote:
fgalkin wrote: Sweet. it's exactly like that in the Perumoverse, too. Except time can move backwards, too.
I get the feeling that you probably would get the reverse time flow areas REALLY close to the courts...

How would it work? And how does time work in Amberverse?

In Perumoverse, every world is located in the River of Time. Depending on the strength of the current, time flows either faster or slower. Sometines, there are streams branching off, and there tim might flow backwards. There can also be almost no time movement in stagnant water.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-20 12:11am

fgalkin wrote:
weemadando wrote:
fgalkin wrote: Sweet. it's exactly like that in the Perumoverse, too. Except time can move backwards, too.
I get the feeling that you probably would get the reverse time flow areas REALLY close to the courts...
How would it work? And how does time work in Amberverse?

In Perumoverse, every world is located in the River of Time. Depending on the strength of the current, time flows either faster or slower. Sometines, there are streams branching off, and there tim might flow backwards. There can also be almost no time movement in stagnant water.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

I have a feling this has to do with the Pattern of the AMberverse. And it seems likely, weem, that time could flow backwards in some shadows.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2002-11-20 12:14am

It has nothing to do with the pattern. Also, there are the Dragons of Time living/guarding the river. I will write about them later.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-20 12:15am

fgalkin wrote:It has nothing to do with the pattern. Also, there are the Dragons of Time living/guarding the river. I will write about them later.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

How is that so?

Post by **fgalkin** » 2002-11-20 12:20am

They were created when the universe came into existance. It is described how it was created, and it plays an important part in the story.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-20 12:25am

fgalkin wrote:They were created when the universe came into existance. It is described how it was created, and it plays an important part in the story.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

THen, as time is part of the universe, time could be controlled by the pattern.