Complement of Republic Capital Ships at Muunilist

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2005-05-17 06:45pm

Darksider wrote:IIRC they were also putting out WAY too much heavy firepower during the Muunillist space battle to be plain Acclimators.

I thought the general consensus was that they were some type of destroyer variant based on the Acclimator hull

I heard from someone at the TF.net boards that WOTC rpg sources briefly mention the existence of "destroyer" and "battleship" (obviously not Saxton-style "Star Dreadnoughts") variants to the Acclamator. Given that variants exist, I don't think it would be much of a stretch to say that some Acclamators also carry varied fighter/transport/troop complements.

I'm quite impressed by these numbers, not only because they're bigger than WEG's minimalist crap, but because they turn out so well. 156 V-19s comes out to exactly 13 full squadrons of 12 fighters each. However, I think it should be noted that this is only a LOWER limit, since we never actually see the the swarm of V-19s end. It's also cool that we saw 22 LAATs in the hangar, and then exactly 22 LAATs launching from the ship during the battle. The cartoonists really seemed to have put in a lot of effort.

Necronlord, will you be counting the LAATs from the other Acclamators? They seemed to have a lot more.

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2005-05-17 06:50pm

Darksider wrote:Just looking at all those fighters and trying to figue out the bay space required for them,

I don't think that ship is 750 meters long..........

A ~300-meter-long aircraft carrier can hold over 85 planes. It's not ridiculous at all for a 752-meter-long Acclamator to carry over 156 fighters. Besides, that one appears to have a reduced number of LAATs.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2005-05-17 07:00pm

At the time I thought it still carried the massive number of LAAT/is

It's not just the fighters in that case.

It's logistics and support for a large amound of LAATs and their clone troopers.......

President Sharky · Post by **President Sharky** » 2005-05-17 07:03pm

These could very likely be the Acclamator II-class warships, a new ship sub-class originating from the TGC. In addition to this, in several of the Clone Wars comic books, we see Acclamator variants with ventral launch bays. They could all be the light destroyer variant, mentioned in the SW RPG Core Rulebook (2002), to have been produced by RHE immediately after the beginning of the war.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-05-17 07:08pm

President Sharky wrote:These could very likely be the Acclamator II-class warships, a new ship sub-class originating from the TGC. In addition to this, in several of the Clone Wars comic books, we see Acclamator variants with ventral launch bays. They could all be the light destroyer variant, mentioned in the SW RPG Core Rulebook (2002), to have been produced by RHE immediately after the beginning of the war.

Try frigate-variant. And they're not simply "variants" of the Acclamator. They may be superficially similar but their basic structure and hull integrity is radically different. We're talking about moving important parts of the power infrastructure and such.

President Sharky · Post by **President Sharky** » 2005-05-17 07:08pm

The Original Nex wrote:Those can't be LAATs, they're in a vacuum. They must be some sort of variant, a HAAT or something. . .

LAAT/i ships are actually capable of manoeuvring in deep space, as exemplified in the Clone Wars cartoon, Star Wars: Republic #58, 70, and 71, and in Star Wars: Shatterpoint. They have atmospheric containment shields.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2005-05-17 09:11pm

President Sharky wrote:
The Original Nex wrote:Those can't be LAATs, they're in a vacuum. They must be some sort of variant, a HAAT or something. . .
LAAT/i ships are actually capable of manoeuvring in deep space, as exemplified in the Clone Wars cartoon, Star Wars: Republic #58, 70, and 71, and in Star Wars: Shatterpoint. They have atmospheric containment shields.

And, as that screenshot suggests, doors.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-05-17 10:02pm

President Sharky wrote:
The Original Nex wrote:Those can't be LAATs, they're in a vacuum. They must be some sort of variant, a HAAT or something. . .
LAAT/i ships are actually capable of manoeuvring in deep space, as exemplified in the Clone Wars cartoon, Star Wars: Republic #58, 70, and 71, and in Star Wars: Shatterpoint. They have atmospheric containment shields.

No; they're not the same model - they can't be. LAAT/i's are specifically optomized for low-altitude carrier operations. I don't think "low altitude" means "low orbit." A superficially similar craft can be much different. I agree, these must be HAAT/i's.

President Sharky · Post by **President Sharky** » 2005-05-17 11:22pm

Then I would guess these HAATs fill the role of the Skipray blastboat, acting as a heavily armed gunboat in deep-space combat.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-05-18 12:04am

President Sharky wrote:Then I would guess these HAATs fill the role of the Skipray blastboat, acting as a heavily armed gunboat in deep-space combat.

No, I doubt they have the speed or firepower for extraatmospheric offensive encounters.

Alan Bolte · Post by **Alan Bolte** » 2005-05-18 01:59am

Before you go too far with this, you might want to note that only one class of Separatist warship at the battle over Coruscant is depicted in episode 23: Invisible Hand lookalikes. Are we really to believe that there is an area of the battle where dozens if not hundreds of modified (Big hangar bay on these things, I believe that's the specified major modification) Providence-class ships? Or are the cartoons not an entirely trustworthy source? I suppose we could lable this one scene some kind of blooper. I'm just not sure what to make of it.

Spartan · Post by **Spartan** » 2005-05-18 03:36am

Alan Bolte wrote:

Before you go too far with this, you might want to note that only one class of Separatist warship at the battle over Coruscant is depicted in episode 23: Invisible Hand lookalikes. Are we really to believe that there is an area of the battle where dozens if not hundreds of modified (Big hangar bay on these things, I believe that's the specified major modification) Providence-class ships? Or are the cartoons not an entirely trustworthy source? I suppose we could lable this one scene some kind of blooper. I'm just not sure what to make of it.

Why would you assume that those ships are all have carrier mods? ROTS:ICS only states that the Invisible hand was a mod. Its more likely that they are not modified, as theywould be a better match against those Venators.

We know form the ROTS trailers and ICS that other types of CIS ships participated in the battle. Tinn told Mace that the Separatist ships were still spilling out of hyperspace. For all we know the Providence class ships seen in the closing episode were simply the first wave.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-05-18 08:20am

Then I would guess these HAATs fill the role of the Skipray blastboat, acting as a heavily armed gunboat in deep-space combat.

I think that role would fit more with the Republic Gunboat/dropship in ROTS. It was called "gunboat" in the ROTS CG and "drop ship" in production art. Seemed better equipped for space combat than any HAAT.

Alan Bolte · Post by **Alan Bolte** » 2005-05-18 11:20am

Well, like I said they have a big visible bay on the side just like the Hand.

Spartan · Post by **Spartan** » 2005-05-18 05:25pm

Alan Bolte:

Well, like I said they have a big visible bay on the side just like the Hand.

Which episode are you refering to? I just re-watched the final to episodes, and their is no obvious docking bay. There are black panels in the area, where the Invisible hand has its bay; but no openings, and no fighters launching from said openings.

Since we see Tri-wing droid fighter's some of them must be carrier mods, but not necessarily all of them.