Jedi power ranking and discussion

thecreech · Post by **thecreech** » 2005-05-20 06:02pm

Ok now that EP3 is out knowing what we know now how would you rank the jedi's

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2005-05-20 06:04pm

Samuel L. Motherfucking Jackson in a lightsabe duel with Palpatine...

fuck!

*plugs fingers in ears, covers eyes and runs away. nananananananananana i can't hear you!

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2005-05-20 06:13pm

Vader versus Luke in the throne room has always been my favorite. The saber fights in RotS are flashy and cool, but will never compare.

Civil War Man · Post by **Civil War Man** » 2005-05-20 06:19pm

I happened to like Dooku vs. Anakin in ROTS, but that doesn't seem to be an option.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-05-20 06:23pm

I'm going with the Obi/Anakin duel, although the final duel with Vader is just as emotional and powerful. The Palpy/Yoda duel is also high up on my list for the sheer, incredible spectacle.

Grand Moff Yenchin · Post by **Grand Moff Yenchin** » 2005-05-20 06:25pm

My favorite will always be the throne room duel. I like cool moves. But I like more factors in a fight.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2005-05-20 06:25pm

I never really liked these lightsaber duels.
But the Yoda/Dooku one was just so absolutely hilarious, it has a place in my heart

thecreech · Post by **thecreech** » 2005-05-20 06:27pm

So how would you guys rank them now that EP3 is out

Grand Moff Yenchin · Post by **Grand Moff Yenchin** » 2005-05-20 06:49pm

My rank

1. Luke vs Vader (ROTJ)

reasons stated

2. Luke vs Vader (TESB)

Similar reasons for its high rank, but Vader taunting Luke about Leia is why the ROTJ duel wins.

3. Vader vs Obi (ANH)

With EP3 coming out, this duel skyrockets in my ranks to #3. Two friends/foes/masters executing straightfoward moves.

4. Obi-wan vs Anakin (ROTS)

Now this is a duel where actions speak louder than words. Obi-Wan winning with simple strategy is cool.

5. Mace Windu vs the emperor (ROTS)

What's good about this part? IMHO Windu is better with the sword, but the Emperor wins with his strategy. (Yes, I read the discussions.)
However, I don't quite like the looks of Sidious' transformation. I was expecting something either more twisted or lopisided.

Also Windu didn't even bother to cut off Sidious' arm when he had the advantage.

6. Yoda vs the emperor (ROTS)

Although this battle had many factors in it, the impact factor was lower than Obi-Wan vs. Anakin. IMHO It was basically Yoda vs. Dooku 2.0

Everything else is a tie.

I think basically all were good fights so I'm just picking the ones which I enjoyed the most.

Also although not listed, Dooku vs. Anakin (ROTS) basically is on the level between 4 and 5 of my rank. Mostly because of that move with Anakin twirling Dooku's sword as well as cutting off his arms the same time. Counter moves which do harm rock.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-05-20 06:58pm

Did anyone notice Palpatine's hands were unscathed? I think the lightning just damaged the visage hiding his true face. Either that or Palpatine chose to uncover only his face.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-05-20 07:12pm

Well in TPM and AOTC Sidious is normal even in private and I have seen (promo) Pics of sidious with hands that were the same way as rest of his body. (more likely explanation is that Sidious masked his hands so it would look like he was only scarded by the Jedi).

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-05-20 07:19pm

Lord Revan wrote:Well in TPM and AOTC Sidious is normal even in private and I have seen (promo) Pics of sidious with hands that were the same way as rest of his body. (more likely explanation is that Sidious masked his hands so it would look like he was only scarded by the Jedi).

No, that doesn't make sense; his hands aren't normal by the time he gives his speech. Furthermore, Clone Wars shows Sidious' hologram as deformed. And furthermore, real-time face-melting is really stupid.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-05-20 07:26pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Lord Revan wrote:Well in TPM and AOTC Sidious is normal even in private and I have seen (promo) Pics of sidious with hands that were the same way as rest of his body. (more likely explanation is that Sidious masked his hands so it would look like he was only scarded by the Jedi).
No, that doesn't make sense; his hands aren't normal by the time he gives his speech. Furthermore, Clone Wars shows Sidious' hologram as deformed. And furthermore, real-time face-melting is really stupid.

too bad CW is lower in canon then either TPM or AOTC also KOTOR (and KOTOR2) show Dark Side corruption that's (almost) realtime (Darth) Revan goes from regular human to almost alien looking in time you reach Dark Side mastery (and Palpatine is both stronger in the force and older then either Revan or the Exile), sure it's stupid and makes little sence but it's canon.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-05-20 07:39pm

Lord Revan wrote:too bad CW is lower in canon then either TPM or AOTC

And the pressure of constraining the abilities and visions of the entire Jedi Order while they attempt to use their abilities and foresight to their greatest capacity during the war could easily have brought Palpatine over the edge. There could be a certain threshold beyond which controlling the ravages of the dark side becomes impossible, and weakening the whole Jedi Order at once while they attempted to fight a war and he hid his identity brought him over the edge. Better explanation that simply DITCHING Clone Wars. You attempt reconcilation before contradiction - always.

Lord Revan wrote:also KOTOR (and KOTOR2) show Dark Side corruption that's (almost) realtime (Darth) Revan goes from regular human to almost alien looking in time you reach Dark Side mastery (and Palpatine is both stronger in the force and older then either Revan or the Exile), sure it's stupid and makes little sence but it's canon.

That's not even close to real time.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-05-20 07:46pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Lord Revan wrote:too bad CW is lower in canon then either TPM or AOTC
And the pressure of constraining the abilities and visions of the entire Jedi Order while they attempt to use their abilities and foresight to their greatest capacity during the war could easily have brought Palpatine over the edge. There could be a certain threshold beyond which controlling the ravages of the dark side becomes impossible, and weakening the whole Jedi Order at once while they attempted to fight a war and he hid his identity brought him over the edge. Better explanation that simply DITCHING Clone Wars. You attempt reconcilation before contradiction - always.

then tell me why would he hide his true face from Maul or Dooku, it's not like they did know (Maul could probaly see it in himself and Dooku was Jedi master) and the Clone wars Sidious doesn't look like Palpatine in post ROTS era.

Lord Revan wrote:also KOTOR (and KOTOR2) show Dark Side corruption that's (almost) realtime (Darth) Revan goes from regular human to almost alien looking in time you reach Dark Side mastery (and Palpatine is both stronger in the force and older then either Revan or the Exile), sure it's stupid and makes little sence but it's canon.
That's not even close to real time.

yeah it's just instant (the key factor is far in to the dark side you have gone (palpatine was already very far into the Dark side)

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2005-05-20 07:51pm

I might be biased, since it is my favourite of all six, but Luke vs Vader in RotJ is even MORE powerful now. We now have some idea of what Vader wanted, and was probably thinking during this battle. Especially with the Emperor looking on.

thecreech · Post by **thecreech** » 2005-05-20 08:24pm

so how would obi wan rank amongst the Jedi's and Sith. After seeing the new trilogy it would seem that Obi wan is either really powerful or Really smart... or both. I mean look at what he has done

He survived the jedi purge, kill Grevious, mangled Anakin, Kill Darth maul (with help). if i had to put them in order i would put them like this

The Emperor>Yoda>Obi-wan>Anakin/Vader>Windu>Count Dooku>Darth maul> Qui-gon>Luke

I am just going off the movies not off of EU, i am not sure how powerful luke becomes after ROTJ

Fw 190 · Post by **Fw 190** » 2005-05-20 09:09pm

I think my "most watched" lightsabre fight will be between Yoda and Palpatine because it’s arguably the strongest and most experienced Jedi Master and Sith Lord going at it.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2005-05-20 09:55pm

The battle between Obi-Wan and Anakin was incredible because you could actually understand the characters just by watching them fighting--as you could in the Darth Maul battle, but it had emotion that the Maul fight didn't tap into. The only one that came even close was Vader vs. Luke in RotJ, since that was also a climactic confrontation, but I have to give it to Kenobi vs. Skywalker.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2005-05-21 02:15am

Lord Revan wrote:size=1](and Palpatine is both stronger in the force and older then either Revan or the Exile)[/size]

I don't disagree with you outright, but I would ask what proof you have to back up that statement.

Rommie2006 · Post by **Rommie2006** » 2005-05-21 04:22am

thecreech wrote:so how would obi wan rank amongst the Jedi's and Sith. After seeing the new trilogy it would seem that Obi wan is either really powerful or Really smart... or both. I mean look at what he has done

He survived the jedi purge, kill Grevious, mangled Anakin, Kill Darth maul (with help). if i had to put them in order i would put them like this

The Emperor>Yoda>Obi-wan>Anakin/Vader>Windu>Count Dooku>Darth maul> Qui-gon>Luke

I am just going off the movies not off of EU, i am not sure how powerful luke becomes after ROTJ

Hmm I would disagree with your ranking. We cant rank Jedi/Sith based on who survived. I would go for:

Anakin(at his height in ROTS) > Mace Windu > Darth Sidious > Darth Vader = Yoda > Count Dooku > Obi-wan(at his height in ROTS) > Darth Maul > Qui-Gon > Luke(at his height in ROTJ)

My Justifications:
Anakin Skywalker at the height of his power is undoubtedly the post POWERFUL Jedi/Sith ever. However, he is probably the most STUPID and OVERCONFIDENT Jedi/Sith, which explains why he lost to Obi-wan at the end.
Mace Windu should come in 2nd. He manage to kick the crap out of Darth Sidious. And don't give me the crap that old Palps was faking it... he started faking his weakness when Anakin arrived, but not before!
Darth Sidious should be 3rd as we have only seen him defeated by Mace, and he admitted Anakin is stronger than him.
I put Darth Vader behind his master, as I believe the injury he sustained made him weaker. It would also explain why Vader never challenged his master directly in the 20 yrs between ROTS and ANH.
Between Vader and Yoda, it's hard to tell who is better so I put them at the same rank. However, Yoda lost to Sidious so he's 4th position.
Count Dooku comes in 5th because he loses to Yoda, Anakin(ROTS time), and speculatively Vader, Sidious and Mace.
Obi-Wan at his height during ROTS should come after Dooku. Although he defeated Anakin it doesn't say much. Obi-Wan used Anakin overconfidence and stupidness against him. He won by outsmarting his opponent and not by having greater power/skill.
Darth Maul was a twirly double-bladed bitch it's quite certain at a more mature Obi-Wan would beat him up. He managed to take down Qui-Gon though.
AND finally we have Luke. Untrained boy.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2005-05-21 05:23am

If four Jedi Masters could not take on Sidious and win, how many of them would it take to beat him?

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2005-05-21 05:42am

Rommie2006 wrote:My Justifications:
Anakin Skywalker at the height of his power is undoubtedly the post POWERFUL Jedi/Sith ever. However, he is probably the most STUPID and OVERCONFIDENT Jedi/Sith, which explains why he lost to Obi-wan at the end.

Honestly, I don't even understand exactly what happened at the end. Obi-Wan said something about him getting the "high ground" (even though it wasn't much higher in elevation than the floating platform Anakin is still standing on). Anakin blathered something about underestimating him, attacked and something happened and he was rolling down into the lava.

Mace Windu should come in 2nd. He manage to kick the crap out of Darth Sidious. And don't give me the crap that old Palps was faking it... he started faking his weakness when Anakin arrived, but not before!

I think that part was "set-up". A fight has to look natural. Even Mace Windu would have realized something was badly wrong if Palpy had been tying or winning , then as soon as the door opens and Anakin walks in Palpy starts losing. It just won't look right.

Letting Mace Windu win will also let that arrogant SOB get his head fuller with blood, so he'd attack more aggressively, making him look all the more pathetic and hoping Anakin will fall. The last scene where Palpy goes "POWER!!!" and zaps Mace pretty much says it all. I still can't stop laughing.

Darth Maul was a twirly double-bladed bitch it's quite certain at a more mature Obi-Wan would beat him up. He managed to take down Qui-Gon though.

But Qui-Gon is no slouch himself. Obi-Wan mentions if Qui-Gon had been more "politically reliable" he would have made the Council. He also did manage to hold his soul long enough to find and learn the Whillis Process.

AND finally we have Luke. Untrained boy.

But he beat Darth Vader. Shouldn't that count for something?

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2005-05-21 05:44am

Uraniun235 wrote:If four Jedi Masters could not take on Sidious and win, how many of them would it take to beat him?

Given what happened in the fight, what was clearly needed was quality, not quantity. If Mace and Yoda tag-teamed, they would pretty much own Palpy. With those Jedi Masters Mace actually brought, I doubt bringing ten more of them would make much difference.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2005-05-21 07:09am

I would have thought that Anakin would have reacted to seeing the three dead Jedi Masters lying in Palpatine's office.

At least he started off just arguing for Palpatine to be arrested and tried, even if he had alterior motives for wanting to keep Palpatine alive.

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