The Problem with Episode III (Spoilers, duh)

[aerius]

1. Palpatine's declaration of the Empire. Make it all in one camera shot that swoops around behind him, instead of cutting in closer. And have some version of The Emperor's Theme playing, preferably with a lot of reverbration. Something to make the hairs on the back of your neck stand right up. And finally, have him raise his hands above his head as he says "... of the Republic into the first Galactic Empire!", instead of shortly thereafter. This change isn't really needed, though.

Nah, too overdone & obvious. Everyone knows it's the birth of the Empire already with the speech, you don't need to beat it into them with the music. Personally I thought it was just about perfect as is.

2. Vader's reaction to Padme's dead. Keep the scene as it is, but right after Vader's "NOOO!!" make him tilt his head forward, and then suddenly throw it back. Make a very deep but animalistic scream come out, and then basically have a force tornado, tearing the room into shreds, and obliterating everything. Possibly also have Palpatine cackling. This change is needed.

See above. I actually would prefer more subtlety here, just have Vader crush everything in sight with the force and then look sorta deflated and beaten for a while. No sound, no "NOOOO!!!" or any other screaming, just dead silence except for falling falling debris and his breathing.

3. The Death Star. Don't show one Venator and then the Star Destroyer bridge. Show a fleet of dozens of them, with equal numbers of Victories interlaced, possibly with a few Acclamators and Dreadnoughts. And thousands of pre-TIEs on patrol, not just a few. Have the Imperial March blaring over the speakers. Have the camera tilt down, to show a Procurator or Mandator, or even the first ISD. THEN switch to the inside, but make sure that we can't see the Death Star until the final intercut. When that comes, make the March reach a final crescendo. Make sure the fleet of Star Destroyers is visible in from of the DS. This change is utterly necessary.

Agree with showing a small to medium sized fleet and then panning over to the Deathstar, but once again I don't think the March is required. Yes the Imperial March is cool, but you don't need to beat it into the audience.

Personally I'd just clean up the Padme-Anakin scenes and show a bit more of the clone wars. Not sure how I'd want to do the latter though.

[spongyblue]

a bit more than 3 seconds of Tarkin

[VF5SS]

Vader's abilities in ESB were far more impressive.

Yeah the ability to pull around props on wires so so teh cool.

[Death from the Sea]

I was quite disappointed by Vader's rage scene near the end. He was obviously pissed, but all he did was put a couple of dents in nearby metal surfaces. "yay". I was fully expecting the room to be torn apart, with even Palpatine backing off to avoid the carnage. Vader's abilities in ESB were far more impressive.

why? all he did there was toss some things around. in ROTS he crushed the shit out of pretty much everything in the room.

[Lord Poe]

Hey, I think I'm going in my back yard tomorrow with my camcorder and action figures and film ROTS the way *I* want it to be....

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Hey, I think I'm going in my back yard tomorrow with my camcorder and action figures and film ROTS the way *I* want it to be....

Torrent plz k thx!!

[HemlockGrey]

The only part I really didn't like (although I could have used a bigger fleet in the final Imperial scene) was the Emperor vs. Mace Windu sequence, near the end, with Palpatine's terrible over-the-top pleading for his life.

Plus, the buttcrack that appeared in his forehead was kinda distracting.

[Darth Fanboy]

I think an improvement would have been Anakin being the one to deliver the final blow to Mace Windu. I could go back and speculate on how cool it would have been for Anakin to have a huge battle with Mace and then Obi Wan pouncing in on a tired and exhausted Vader, but RoTS was so damn good I can't even do that really.

[Vympel]

I think an improvement would have been Anakin being the one to deliver the final blow to Mace Windu. I could go back and speculate on how cool it would have been for Anakin to have a huge battle with Mace and then Obi Wan pouncing in on a tired and exhausted Vader, but RoTS was so damn good I can't even do that really.

That would've been cool. But I think it'd make Obi-Wan look like a pussy. He has to have some credit for taking out Anakin, even though Anakin's defeat was pretty much his loss more than Obi-Wan's victory.

[Hitch Hiker]

there were only a few things i could fault about ROTS, firstly was the Imperial gaurds. they are utterly useless, they try to bar Yoda's way by placeing there staffs, above his head. they deserved to get slammed into the door frame, which was v funny. but i think giving them a more offensive role would have been nice.
Secondly the three jedi accomanying Windu, how crap are they? i mean they dont even appear to defend themselves, they just die, the child who attacked clone troopers would have done better.
The lava base...how come you build something in a volcano..and dont give it supper strong heat shilding...
Finally, how come it takes the Imperials 20 years to complete the Death Star? theyve got the exoskeleton already...20 years to put the flooring down, did they buy it from Ikea and lose some brackets...

[Trytostaydead]

I too was groaning because of the love scenes. Perfect examples of when LESS would have been MORE. You could see the actors trying hard to make the scene work, but the wording was too verbose and flowery. I think Lucas thinks he's Shakespeare or something, someone should tell him he's not.. too late now. Well, that was my main beef with the movie, it would build up then crash it once Anakin and Padme tried to get tender.

Some of the battle scenes would've been better without the robot's voices. You see these superbattle droids, big mean ass motherfuckers walk around and then speak like 60's robots using childrens' voices. And the great invasion scene on Kashyyk was awesome until you hear a squeeky metallic voice yell, "Charge!"

[The Original Nex]

the Imperial gaurds. they are utterly useless, they try to bar Yoda's way by placeing there staffs, above his head. they deserved to get slammed into the door frame, which was v funny. but i think giving them a more offensive role would have been nice.

Yes because these guards should have easily been a match for who is, arguably, the most powerful Jedi in the Galaxy.

Secondly the three jedi accomanying Windu, how crap are they? i mean they dont even appear to defend themselves, they just die, the child who attacked clone troopers would have done better.

OR, Sidious is that much better than the average Council member.

The lava base...how come you build something in a volcano..and dont give it supper strong heat shilding...

Maybe you're blind and missed the sequence where Obi and Ani's sabers slice into a control panel and the shields deactivate. . .

Finally, how come it takes the Imperials 20 years to complete the Death Star? theyve got the exoskeleton already...20 years to put the flooring down, did they buy it from Ikea and lose some brackets...

Either a) That's not the Death Star seen in ANH (likely as the proportions are all wrong), and rather the start of the CIS' "Great Weapon"

Or b) The Empire had to be very careful when building the Death Star due to the Senate's watchful eye on Imperial affairs.

[The Original Nex]

I too was groaning because of the love scenes. Perfect examples of when LESS would have been MORE. You could see the actors trying hard to make the scene work, but the wording was too verbose and flowery. I think Lucas thinks he's Shakespeare or something, someone should tell him he's not.. too late now. Well, that was my main beef with the movie, it would build up then crash it once Anakin and Padme tried to get tender.

I thought the love scenes were fine. Better than the ones in AotC which in turn were no where near as bad as people have cracked it up to be. Try recording yourself when you're saying some romantic crap to a girlfriend or wife, I guarantee it'll sound just as corny as Anakin and Padme. In RotS I really got the idea that they're very much in love with eachother.

Some of the battle scenes would've been better without the robot's voices. You see these superbattle droids, big mean ass motherfuckers walk around and then speak like 60's robots using childrens' voices. And the great invasion scene on Kashyyk was awesome until you hear a squeeky metallic voice yell, "Charge!"

It hardly detracts from the movie experience. And the battledroids have never sounded all that intimidating. I wasn't really expecting lucas to make them sound ominous in this one.

[Knife]

Gah, just got back from watching it. What the fuck did they do to the Tantive. Because that wasn't it.


The movie had some pacing problems in the middle, and they jumped around alot so there were a shit load of disolves and wipes that started getting anoying.

All in all, the best movie of the prequels.

[Trytostaydead]

Gah, just got back from watching it. What the fuck did they do to the Tantive. Because that wasn't it.


The movie had some pacing problems in the middle, and they jumped around alot so there were a shit load of disolves and wipes that started getting anoying.

All in all, the best movie of the prequels.

Why they couldn't have just named it maybe the Tantive III

[Vanas]

The only things that I would have really liked to have seen different is the scene at the end with the Imperial Venators. Just have in the background, an ISD in formation with the rest of them. Or perhaps jsut nosing into shot as the scen changes to inside.

That, and put the droud voices back to normal. Unless the Invisible Hand was filled with helium, the new voice bugged me.

[andrewgpaul]

The movie had some pacing problems in the middle, and they jumped around alot so there were a shit load of disolves and wipes that started getting anoying.

Actually, I liked the scene changes. Very reminiscent of the original films, if a little dated.

[Civil War Man]

I was quite disappointed by Vader's rage scene near the end. He was obviously pissed, but all he did was put a couple of dents in nearby metal surfaces. "yay". I was fully expecting the room to be torn apart, with even Palpatine backing off to avoid the carnage. Vader's abilities in ESB were far more impressive.

You didn't notice that Vader's Force wave crushed the droids in the room about as easily as John Belushi crushes beer cans on his forehead?

Anyway, considering the vaunted strength of Star Wars material design, I'd be freaked out if a guy started punching holes in durasteel with his mind.

Either a) That's not the Death Star seen in ANH (likely as the proportions are all wrong), and rather the start of the CIS' "Great Weapon"

Or b) The Empire had to be very careful when building the Death Star due to the Senate's watchful eye on Imperial affairs.

Regarding item a, perhaps it was the Death Star prototype from the EU?

[The Original Nex]

Regarding item a, perhaps it was the Death Star prototype from the EU?

To early, and wrong location. There's not reason for there to be only one prototype. Especially since the Empire hadn't existed long enough to start its own Death Star program, this was probably the Seperatist's Weapon, not the Empire's.

[Knife]

The movie had some pacing problems in the middle, and they jumped around alot so there were a shit load of disolves and wipes that started getting anoying.

Actually, I liked the scene changes. Very reminiscent of the original films, if a little dated.

I didn't mind the wipes/disolves, rather there were a shit load of them and some of the scenes were really quick so it seemed the wipes/disolves came rapidly.

I found that a little annoying.

[The Aliens]

2. Vader's reaction to Padme's dead. Keep the scene as it is, but right after Vader's "NOOO!!" make him tilt his head forward, and then suddenly throw it back. Make a very deep but animalistic scream come out, and then basically have a force tornado, tearing the room into shreds, and obliterating everything. Possibly also have Palpatine cackling. This change is needed.

This is why you're not a movie director. Firstly, the "Noo!" is a terrible, cliched line, that shouldn't have been put in there. He could have done any number of things, the scream being one. But putting that "Noo!" in, then foloowing it with a scream would have been utter overkill. Wrecking the room is also outright unecessary, as we all know he's capable of ass-kicking, and losing control like that would entail is out of Vader's (not Anakin's) character. The Emperor cackling is also an out of character move, as he's played his cards very close to his chest with Vader the whole way through. Palpatine has taken on the role of the father, and laughing at Anakin's pain would annihilate that image. Palpatine at this point has to be aware that Vader has the capacity to destory him, and so wouldn't want to make an enemy of him.

[YT300000]

This is why you're not a movie director. Firstly, the "Noo!" is a terrible, cliched line, that shouldn't have been put in there. He could have done any number of things, the scream being one. But putting that "Noo!" in, then foloowing it with a scream would have been utter overkill.

Overkill as a reaction to losing everything (having destroyed it himself, even)?

Wrecking the room is also outright unecessary, as we all know he's capable of ass-kicking, and losing control like that would entail is out of Vader's (not Anakin's) character.

Yes, but he isn't Vader yet. He's still basically evil Anakin in a new suit. And he already went part of the way towards ripping the room apart, I just think he'd have gone further, having destroyed what he cared about most.

The Emperor cackling is also an out of character move, as he's played his cards very close to his chest with Vader the whole way through. Palpatine has taken on the role of the father, and laughing at Anakin's pain would annihilate that image. Palpatine at this point has to be aware that Vader has the capacity to destory him, and so wouldn't want to make an enemy of him.

In the movie, he smiled. Since what I'm proposing is a scaling-up of the scene, a slight cackle would fit, since that is just when Anakin becomes Vader, and Palpatine knows that he now has a powerful tool, which is completely devoted.

[Chardok]

You know...I thought vader could not survive without the mask. He seemed just fine and dandy before they put it on, spank you very much. Now someone tell me why.

[Tribun]

You know...I thought vader could not survive without the mask. He seemed just fine and dandy before they put it on, spank you very much. Now someone tell me why.

Maybe it's because the room is a habitation chamber like his later one on the Executor? When they brought him in, he had a oxygen mask on. But the operation camber is obiously made to treat paeople without them wearing a oxygen mask.

[Faqa]

Am I the only one who was disappointed by Greivous's lightsaber fight with Obi-Wan? I mean, with four sabers out, I'm expecting some fucking skill. A real FIGHT. Instead, a few token jumps, then *slash* four times, and the man's disarmed.

To paraphrase Zaphod Beeblebrox, Ok, ten out of ten for "I'm Obi-Wan Kenobi, bitch!" points, but minus several million for wasting a great oppurtunity, yeah?