The NOOOOOO scene

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2005-05-22 08:37pm

Cykeisme wrote:[quote="Cal Wright"I was a little bothered, since this arms hit his collar protector, where Prowse always hooked his thumbs in the belt.

I didn't catch that.. what the collar protector?

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Watch the trailers. At the end where he crosses his arms.

Winston Blake · Post by **Winston Blake** » 2005-05-23 01:51am

Stravo wrote:Hell, what bugged me in that scene is that they didn't even bother cleaning him up from the crispy deep frying. I mean there are still pieces of burnt flesh hanging off his face when they seal him in. You'd think they'd at least try to clean the guy up. It looks like they just graft all that shit on without that. Burn victims need to be cleaned up to help stop infection and the like.

IIRC i saw a little droid with pincer fingers picking off burnt bits at one point. Still, it was a bit surprising that they'd throw him straight into the Vader-suit (tm) rather than tossing him in a bacta tank (like Luke in TESB) for a while.

I know it would have ruined the symmetry with Padme, but does the regular Republic Life-Support-O-Suit come with cape and scary mask as standard? Why not put him in a some kind of general-issue medical-white minimalist one? Did the novelisation explain why Palpy somehow had the Vader suit ready on standby?

To anyone with Futurama- if it's not too much trouble, could you please post a clip of Calculon's "NOOO!!"? I think it would help people who haven't seen that to understand why it felt so inappropriate (although a lot of people in my audience chuckled who probably haven't seen it).

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2005-05-23 05:22am

Nah, i didn't like the "noooooo" or the vader voice as a whole, it just didn't feel right.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-05-23 06:28am

Winston Blake wrote: IIRC i saw a little droid with pincer fingers picking off burnt bits at one point. Still, it was a bit surprising that they'd throw him straight into the Vader-suit (tm) rather than tossing him in a bacta tank (like Luke in TESB) for a while.

I know it would have ruined the symmetry with Padme, but does the regular Republic Life-Support-O-Suit come with cape and scary mask as standard? Why not put him in a some kind of general-issue medical-white minimalist one? Did the novelisation explain why Palpy somehow had the Vader suit ready on standby?

No. He probably just had it made quick smart. It's designed to intimidate, it's not meant to be miminalist. He's a Sith Lord.

Mr. B · Post by **Mr. B** » 2005-05-23 09:58am

I liked that scene, but James EArl Jones should have put more effort into that noooooo! His paycheck obviously wasnt big enough probably.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2005-05-23 10:00am

Mr. B wrote:I liked that scene, but James EArl Jones should have put more effort into that noooooo! His paycheck obviously wasnt big enough probably.

I still don't see the problem. Granted I need to watch the film again, but honestly when I saw the film on Saturday I did not feel that the scene was bad enough to warrant my attention.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-05-23 10:04am

The red VaderVision was pretty cool. Makes you wonder if that's what stormtroopers see too. I noticed that the view through Zam Wessel's binoculars had a similar look.

Next of Kin · Post by **Next of Kin** » 2005-05-23 10:44am

I liked the scene as it served to fuel Vader's anger and dispair. His mission to save Padme had failed...what choice was left for him but to serve Darth Sidious?

DocHorror · Post by **DocHorror** » 2005-05-23 11:18am

I didn't mind that scene too much, the Frankenstein(TM) walk is understandable. However I do think that the NOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo! could have been delivered a little better. As already said it bears a considerable resemblance to Calculon. Perhaps if it'd been more of primal scream or a Kirk-like slow building KHHHHAAAAANNNN.!

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2005-05-23 11:27am

Having seen the numerous making of featurettes about the prequels and GL's very perfectionist nature in the performances all I can say is if you hate the "Noooooo" you lay that one right on GL's feet and not on James Earl Jones. James Earl Jones did not have final say on what performance was going to be in the movie - GL did.

Frankly I have no problem with the "noooo" though I have no clue what you guys are referring to with this Calculon business.

DocHorror · Post by **DocHorror** » 2005-05-23 11:34am

To me at least, the NOOO sounds a little bit too melodramatic; instead of the raw, angst-ridden and painfilled scream it should have been. Some people are fine with it. Some wish it was 'better'.

Mark S · Post by **Mark S** » 2005-05-23 01:26pm

There are so many 'no' screams in the Star Wars saga. This last one just didn't deliver.

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2005-05-23 02:36pm

Stravo wrote:Frankly I have no problem with the "noooo" though I have no clue what you guys are referring to with this Calculon business.

Seconded. Who the heck is Calculon?

Bug-Eyed Earl · Post by **Bug-Eyed Earl** » 2005-05-23 02:43pm

jegs2 wrote:
Stravo wrote:Frankly I have no problem with the "noooo" though I have no clue what you guys are referring to with this Calculon business.
Seconded. Who the heck is Calculon?

A bad robot actor on Futurama.

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2005-05-23 03:07pm

Bug-Eyed Earl wrote:
jegs2 wrote:
Stravo wrote:Frankly I have no problem with the "noooo" though I have no clue what you guys are referring to with this Calculon business.
Seconded. Who the heck is Calculon?
A bad robot actor on Futurama.

Yeah, he's famous for his... ACTING... TALENT!

And frequently breaks down onto his knees shouting "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" at the sky. So yeah, if we have a live action Futurama movie, we need Hayden to do him.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2005-05-23 03:09pm

To comment: The NOOOOOO!! Scene Bugged me slightly. Consecutive viewing put everything in perspective and I found that it fit just fine. The Walking is perfectly understandable, and I got that on the first Viewing. I really didn't know what to expect so I just watched. I knew it would be foolhardy to expect to get the Vader From the OT so quicky. (esp after the development of Anakin's demise in the PT)

Overall, it fits like a Glove and is a good addtion to Vader Lore.
He hates himself.

Petrosjko · Post by **Petrosjko** » 2005-05-23 03:16pm

Mark me down for loving the scene but disliking the 'NOOOOO!'

The best part of it was as he turned his head to talk to Palpatine, the jerky motion was perfect. Afraid, unaccustomed to his new outfit, it carried so well.

Deerail · Post by **Deerail** » 2005-05-23 04:12pm

I know it would have ruined the symmetry with Padme, but does the regular Republic Life-Support-O-Suit come with cape and scary mask as standard? Why not put him in a some kind of general-issue medical-white minimalist one? Did the novelisation explain why Palpy somehow had the Vader suit ready on standby?

According to the novelisation, Palpatine has Anakin's body taken to, "the newly renamed Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center on Coruscant". The fact that this particular facility was immediately renamed in Palpatine's honor suggests that he probably had some involvement with it's operation before declaring himself Emperor. In fact, the renaming might have only involved changing 'Chancellor Palpatine' to 'Emperor Palpatine'. It is quite common for politicians to have pet charities or causes. Medical research wouldn't be an unusual cause for a Senator, or Chancellor, to publicly support.

The existence of General Grievous also supports this idea. Grievous has clearly been created to do exactly what he is doing- commanding a droid army and exterminating Jedi. He is an advanced cyborg- only upper parts of his skull and a sack of organs remain of his original physical body. The novelisation speaks briefly of the fact that Grievous had once been a normal being with a family, but that his transformation had altered his perceptions. The novelisation also speaks of Anakin having a detached and altered perception as a result of his transformation.

Who had Grievous created? Since he seems so perfectly suited to play the role that he is playing, it seems likely that Palpatine/Sidious did. In many ways, Grievous is a prototype Vader. He is the remains of a living creature being kept alive inside a mostly mechanical body. The only real difference is that Anakin kept more of his original body, and he is the Chosen One. Imagine how imposing Grievous would have been if he had been a Force-user!
The similarities between the transformations of Grievous and Vader seem both to have been facilitaed by the same individual- Sidious. It may even be that the Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center on Coruscant is the actual location where Grievous was altered as well, though probably many years before.

It is obvious that one of Sidious' greatest powers was the ability to see the future. However, he likely suffered from a lot of the same prophetic ambiguity that other Force users did. He probably often saw things that he didn't understand, or saw an end without seeing a means. This was likely the case with Vader. A Masked Darth Vader plays a large role in his Empire from it's beginning to it's end, so it seems likely that Sidious would have forseen this in visions. However, he clearly didn't see how Anakin's disfigurement would take place. This is evidenced by the fact that he originally intends for Obi-Wan to die rescuing him in the beginning of the film. He tries to convince Anakin to leave him behind in the film, and the novelisation speaks directly to the fact that Dooku has specifically been instructed to kill him. Sidious didn't comprehend the role Obi-Wan would play in bringing about Anakin's transformation.
It seems likely to me that Sidious knew that Anakin would become the Masked Darth Vader, but didn't know how. However, he trusted in the Dark Side, and he prepared. He funded research, he created prototypes [Grievous], and he waited for the time that they would be needed.

Deerail

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2005-05-23 10:19pm

I didn't mind Vader's barbaric yawp, but his body language felt off to me for some reason. Not the jerkiness and awkwardness, which I expected, but just something in how he held himself felt subtly wrong.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2005-05-23 10:26pm

Darth Wong wrote:The red VaderVision was pretty cool. Makes you wonder if that's what stormtroopers see too. I noticed that the view through Zam Wessel's binoculars had a similar look.

Slave 1 has a similar GUI as do most SW craft or equipment. It seems to be the generic style for their computers. Minimalist, but functional.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2005-05-23 10:32pm

Non-SOD: you're forgetting that it isn't David Prowse in that suit.

SOD: If you're referring to the end where we see the beginnings of the Death Star, then I dunno. If you're talking about when he first starts moving and throws that tantrum, this isn't the Vader we know and love/hate. He's still fundamentally the same Anakin that became a Sith Lord for Padme. As such, his body language should still reflect the fact that he's a pitiful, heartbroken man, not the evil towering lord of death.