Why didn't Yoda and Obi-Wan raise Luke and Leia themselves?

Petrosjko · Post by **Petrosjko** » 2005-05-25 09:09am

I also looked at Yoda's comment about being unable to teach Luke as self-condemning. Too old, too little time, couldn't handle a wild and totally untutored young adult. He had twenty years to dwell on his failures, after all, and that ate away at his confidence.

MrAnderson · Post by **MrAnderson** » 2005-05-25 09:14am

Galvatron wrote:And that conflicts with Yoda's comments in TESB, that Luke was too old to begin the training at that point.

I think it is rather obvious that Yoda is baiting Luke for a reaction.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2005-05-25 09:18am

2000AD wrote:VIson i think, when they're sitting in the cave and she blasts him for unilaterally declaring himself a master and other shit.

Which is really Tim Zahn (and possibly George Lucas) excoriating the other EU authors for writing Luke doing really stupid shit through all the New Republic story arcs

Cykeisme · Post by **Cykeisme** » 2005-05-25 04:13pm

Darth Wong wrote:The Sith went underground for thousands of years in order to defeat the Jedi. Obviously, survival is the ultimate goal. Who says they need to plan for winning right now, with this current generation?

Darth Wong wrote:He can't change his mind in 20 years? He can't realize that perhaps Luke is too reckless and might get himself killed rather than simply keeping the Jedi Order alive in hiding until the time is right to strike back?

That's a possible course of action that Yoda and Obi-Wan must have contemplated that I didn't notice.

Recalling the Sith plot for revenge (taking as much time as it needs.. even a thousand years) it must surely have been a viable option that the two remaining Masters considered.

In fact, now that I think about it, it's probably the likely one.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2005-05-25 10:57pm

Darth Wong wrote:The Sith went underground for thousands of years in order to defeat the Jedi. Obviously, survival is the ultimate goal. Who says they need to plan for winning right now, with this current generation?

From ROTJ...

Luke: "I can't kill my own father."
Obi-Wan: "Then the Emperor has already won. You were our last hope."

Am I jumping to conclusions in thinking that this pretty clearly showed Obi-Wan's intention for Luke to defeat the Sith in the present?

Darth Wong wrote:He can't change his mind in 20 years? He can't realize that perhaps Luke is too reckless and might get himself killed rather than simply keeping the Jedi Order alive in hiding until the time is right to strike back?

I guess that depends on whether or not Obi-Wan and Yoda had the same agenda. I think the following pretty well answers that question though...

Luke: "Then I am a Jedi."
Yoda: "Ohhh. Not yet. One thing remains: Vader. You must confront Vader. Only then, a Jedi will you be. And confront him you will."

Post by **Kuja** » 2005-05-25 11:20pm

Galvatron wrote:They both could have been properly trained from birth as Jedi, rather than basically wasting their formative years by letting the Larses and Organas raise them.

Surely the combined might of two powerful Jedi Masters and the fully-trained twin offspring of the Chosen One would have been more than a match for Vader and the Emperor, no?

A certain saying about all your eggs and one basket comes to mind.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-05-26 12:40am

Iceberg wrote:
2000AD wrote:VIson i think, when they're sitting in the cave and she blasts him for unilaterally declaring himself a master and other shit.
Which is really Tim Zahn (and possibly George Lucas) excoriating the other EU authors for writing Luke doing really stupid shit through all the New Republic story arcs

Luke should've looked her square in the eye and told her that a cold-blooded murderer with His Imperial Majesty as a father figure should go violate herself with rusty metal object before daring to say that shit to a proven Jedi Master, and the greatest among them.

But ol' Luke listened to her shit so he could get in her pants, and then went along using the Force "loudly" just as before afterward. What a trooper.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2005-05-26 09:36am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Iceberg wrote:
2000AD wrote:VIson i think, when they're sitting in the cave and she blasts him for unilaterally declaring himself a master and other shit.
Which is really Tim Zahn (and possibly George Lucas) excoriating the other EU authors for writing Luke doing really stupid shit through all the New Republic story arcs
Luke should've looked her square in the eye and told her that a cold-blooded murderer with His Imperial Majesty as a father figure should go violate herself with rusty metal object before daring to say that shit to a proven Jedi Master, and the greatest among them.

But ol' Luke listened to her shit so he could get in her pants, and then went along using the Force "loudly" just as before afterward. What a trooper.

What Primus really means; it was a plot device to stop Luke from crushing capital ships like beer cans and making the entire book 2 pages long. Seriously, it should be obvious.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2005-05-27 05:11am

True but the corrolating problem was that as Luke got more powerful, he got dumber. Non-SOD that's because the writers had to give some excuse for him not to show up right away and put a stop to it. As it is, the one they gave actually makes some sense as we never seen Jedi in the movies attempt those sort of stunts. So the idea that that much power is starting to subtely, and negatively influence him, is rather good story wise and backs off a bad trend for story telling.

Not to mention it creates and explanation other than "Luke's a 'tard" for a lot of the utterly retard shit he did.