How do "dark Jedi" fit in to the Emperor's plans?

[Galvatron]

Wasn't the entire purpose of Darth Bane's "rule of two" to prevent in-fighting between large numbers of power-hungry Sith?

If so, why would the Emperor tolerate dark Jedi like Jerec and Hethrir? It seems to me they'd be even more of a threat than "good" Jedi.

[MrAnderson]

You have two choices.

1. Based on rules of contradiction 99% of the EU crap is thrown out the window. (fine with me)

2. Come up with some lamebrained idea that the Sith wont ever train two apprentices at once but dont mind have probably insane part jedi lunatics running around.

[Lord Revan]

Well Dark Jedi are basicallly Jedi who had fallen to dark side (or are Sith), as far as I know only few (if any) Dark Jedi come even close having the same power as Vader or Palpatine. Dark Jedi are probaly good for thing in which you need a Force user (like Revan's Sith Assassins), but don't want risk your self or your apprentice.

[NecronLord]

The rule of two applies to Sith Lords. Retainers like Assaj Ventress are not counted as Lords.

[Drunk Monkey]

Palpitine likely used them as emperors hands.

[Noble Ire]

1. Based on rules of contradiction 99% of the EU crap is thrown out the window. (fine with me)

Overestimate the Contradiction clause do you.
There is no clear contradiction, in fact none at all. The dark jedi (ventriss, Bulq Sora, Palpatine's various hands) are simply minions under the Sith's control. They are not granted the knoweldge or power that a Master would impart to an apprentice, and rather just do his bidding for any number of reasons (mind domination, lust for power or violence, indoctrination.) Less valuable and powerful than a Sith lord, more expendable too.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Palpitine likely used them as emperors hands.

There's a larger variety of secret Imperial positions besides hands.

There were the Dark Side Adepts and Imperial Sovereign Protectors, and various other rankings, for example.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Dark Jedi are FAR less numerous than the Jedi Order, and have no intrinsic dark side training. Not to mention, a whole cadre of Imperial Intelligence and imbedded with specifically-trained and ideologically pure dark siders forms the Inquisitorious to prevent any possible revolt.

Only a Sith Lord has the power to overthrow another; it would take large numbers of well-organized Jedi or dark Jedi to effect one's overthrow. The Emperor discourages training or growth amongst his dark siders beyond what is necessary to carry out his bidding. He likely liquidated all Jedi that were too powerful to leave alive, light or dark for that matter.

Only Inquisitor and dark Jedi Master Jerec approaches the power of a Sith Lord, and maybe Grand Inquisitor, the Lord Tobin and High Inquisitor Tremayne, but both of them are specifically trained to dominate and overcome captured Jedi and Force adepts; not empowered in an absolute sense in the power of the dark side. It is also worth noting that Inquisitor Jerec and High Inquisitor Tremayne are both enemies of Darth Vader.

[Spartan]

Along with darksiders from other belief systems, Inqusitors, executioners, guaidians, force mages, etc...etc...

[NecronLord]

Yes. As I recall, Jerec's powers were said to be "rumoured to be equal to those of Darth Vader" (I would assume this rumour to be incorrect, though they may approach Vader's) in the JK manual. I seem to also recall something about the Emperor taking steps to curb Jerec's interest in the Sith Arts.

[Karza]

Yes. As I recall, Jerec's powers were said to be "rumoured to be equal to those of Darth Vader" (I would assume this rumour to be incorrect, though they may approach Vader's) in the JK manual. I seem to also recall something about the Emperor taking steps to curb Jerec's interest in the Sith Arts.

The exact quote from JK's manual is "His embrace of the Force's dark side gives him powers that rival Vader's."

[Illuminatus Primus]

Palpatine's force-using minions fall into several distinct classes.

There are the force-wielding members of the Inquisitorious, most of whom are dark Jedi, including Inquisitor Jerec (a former Jedi Master) and High Inquisitor Tremayne (a former Jedi Knight), but not all - the Grand Inquisitor, the Lord Tobin was a powerful dark sider but was not a Jedi Knight during the prequel era.

There were the dark side adepts at Byss and dispersed amongst HIM court, including HIM Ruling Council, and including the Grand Admiral Declann. They formed the nucleus of a growing elite which would supplant the traditional political and military and social elite in the COMPNOR Select Committee, the Senate, the Moffs, the Ruling Council, and the flag officers of the military.

There was his Hands, a group of particularly selected personal assistants and agents for the Emperor, encompassing assassins, aides, and warriors. They included dark Jedi like Sarcev Quest, assassins like Mara Jade, Sith-inspired warriors like Lumiya, martial artists like Ardyn Lynn and elite ace of aces like Mareek Steele.

There were random underlings such as Palpatine's "Dark Jedi"; a group of dark side-wielding underlings subsumed into and empowered through Palpatine's will and self. There was Executor Sedriss, the military commander and dark side warrior. There were the Prophets of the Dark Side, which helped Palpatine work to have the Force yield the events of the future.

But there was only one Lord Darth Vader.

[MrAnderson]

Yes. As I recall, Jerec's powers were said to be "rumoured to be equal to those of Darth Vader" (I would assume this rumour to be incorrect, though they may approach Vader's) in the JK manual. I seem to also recall something about the Emperor taking steps to curb Jerec's interest in the Sith Arts.

The exact quote from JK's manual is "His embrace of the Force's dark side gives him powers that rival Vader's."

EU Wankery at its worst.

[Noble Ire]

EU Wankery at its worst.

If all your going to bitch about EU, then leave. If you want to provide a viable arguement or add something useful, then by all means, do so. Otherwise, take your "EU SUXXXXS!!!!!111!!!1!!oneone!!!!" elsewhere.

[Galvatron]

Yes. As I recall, Jerec's powers were said to be "rumoured to be equal to those of Darth Vader" (I would assume this rumour to be incorrect, though they may approach Vader's) in the JK manual. I seem to also recall something about the Emperor taking steps to curb Jerec's interest in the Sith Arts.

The exact quote from JK's manual is "His embrace of the Force's dark side gives him powers that rival Vader's."

EU Wankery at its worst.

That was also written before Darth Vader was wanked up in the prequels to be "The Chosen One" rather than just another powerful Jedi Knight who happened to go dark.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Yes. As I recall, Jerec's powers were said to be "rumoured to be equal to those of Darth Vader" (I would assume this rumour to be incorrect, though they may approach Vader's) in the JK manual. I seem to also recall something about the Emperor taking steps to curb Jerec's interest in the Sith Arts.

Master Jerec was an archeologist of sorts for the Jedi Order, traveling the galaxy to find ancient Jedi and other Force-using sects' artifacts and wellsprings of the Force, while neutralizing or cataloging nexi of the dark side and Sith storehouses or sites. He was out amongst the Unknown Regions and Wild Space when Order 66 went out. When he returned, he found the Empire in control. He tried to flee by High Inquisitor Tremayne pursued him and succeeded in turning him to the dark side. He joined the Inquisitorious and Palpatine gave him a second job very similar to the one he had been given by the Jedi High Council. He sought dark side sites and artifacts. In the process, as an inquisitor he tracked down other Jedi in-hiding or on long-duration and long-distance missions and turned them to the dark side. As an inquisitor he eventually formed a group of six dark Jedi underlings, and as Palpatine's archeologist learned to speak, read, and write Sith. In the process he learned a great deal of Sith lore and knowledge. He even branded his own face with Sith tattoos (desending from the corners of his mouth to the edge of his jaw). Hence why Palpatine sought to limit him.

[Glimmervoid]

Yes. As I recall, Jerec's powers were said to be "rumoured to be equal to those of Darth Vader" (I would assume this rumour to be incorrect, though they may approach Vader's) in the JK manual. I seem to also recall something about the Emperor taking steps to curb Jerec's interest in the Sith Arts.

Master Jerec was an archeologist of sorts for the Jedi Order, traveling the galaxy to find ancient Jedi and other Force-using sects' artifacts and wellsprings of the Force, while neutralizing or cataloging nexi of the dark side and Sith storehouses or sites. He was out amongst the Unknown Regions and Wild Space when Order 66 went out. When he returned, he found the Empire in control. He tried to flee by High Inquisitor Tremayne pursued him and succeeded in turning him to the dark side. He joined the Inquisitorious and Palpatine gave him a second job very similar to the one he had been given by the Jedi High Council. He sought dark side sites and artifacts. In the process, as an inquisitor he tracked down other Jedi in-hiding or on long-duration and long-distance missions and turned them to the dark side. As an inquisitor he eventually formed a group of six dark Jedi underlings, and as Palpatine's archeologist learned to speak, read, and write Sith. In the process he learned a great deal of Sith lore and knowledge. He even branded his own face with Sith tattoos (desending from the corners of his mouth to the edge of his jaw). Hence why Palpatine sought to limit him.

Were was this from, a book, a game?

[Cykeisme]

Not to mention that Jerec's character wasn't created for a novel or comic book.. he was the final boss in a game. He needs to be wanked to give you a sense of accomplishment when you finally kick his ass.

Edit: Hey IP, where's that new stuff about Jerec from? I'm guessnig it's a brand-new post-RotS write-up, since it mentions Order 66.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Were was this from, a book, a game?

The game Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight.

[NecronLord]

EU Wankery at its worst.

I wouldn't say so. It was after all, only a rumour. Probably one fostered by Jerec himself after the demise of the Emperor (no reason to keep his head down after that, and it helps to motivate the troops if they think they have an ubersith leading them)

[NecronLord]

Edit: Hey IP, where's that new stuff about Jerec from? I'm guessnig it's a brand-new post-RotS write-up, since it mentions Order 66.

It's from the Dark Side sourcebook (Or at least, the version I've seen is). Order 66 is not mentioned by name, but the Jedi Purges are.

"The blind Jedi Knight Jerec was one of a handful of Jedi located and turned to the dark side by High Inquisitor Tremayne. Jerec had been part of a small task force of Jedi charged by the Jedi Council with recovering lost artifacts, and was stunned to discover on his return to the Republic that in his absence it had become an Empire - and Jedi were being hunted down like animals. He fled back to the Unknown Regions, but to no avail; Tremayne followed his trail, captured him and his few companions, and turned Jerec to the dark side.
Jerec immediately offered his services to the Emperor, explaining that he knew of a handful of other Jedi students who were on long-range missions and knew nothing of the fall of the Jedi Order. Jerec sought them out and turned them to the dark side, then with their aid gathered a few more Force-users, until finally Jerec had a cadre of six Dark Jedi under his command.
The Emperor charged Jerec with a task similar to the one the Jedi Council had assigned him: located artifacts of the Jedi - and the Sith - and bring them to Imperial Center. Jerec and his Dark Jedi pursued the task with fanatical devotion, but when the Emperor died at the Battle of Endor, Jerec decided to apply his work toward expanding his own power. He researched the existence of the legendary Valley of the Jedi, which he believed to be the repository of vast power, just waiting to be claimed by someone brave enough to unlock it and strong enough to control it.
Jerec learned that a Jedi named Qu Rahn was also seeking the Valley of the Jedi, and that Qu Rahn had learned which planet it was on from a Rebel named Morgan Katarn. Jerec slew Rahn and Katarn and eventurally duscivered the location of the Valley of the Jedi on Ruusan. Pursued by Katarn's vengeful son, Kyle Katarn, Jerec and his Dark Jedi hurried to Ruusan. Jerec's followers held off Katarn long enough for Jerec to access the Valley's secrets and gain phenomenal Force powers. But even with his increased might, Jerec was unable to defeat Kyle or to prevent him from freeing the Valley's trapped Jedi Spirits."

Courtesy of The Dark.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Edit: Hey IP, where's that new stuff about Jerec from? I'm guessnig it's a brand-new post-RotS write-up, since it mentions Order 66.

I wrote it up compiling information from the Wizard's of the Coast SW d20 RPG supplement The Dark Side Sourcebook and what we know from ROTS.

[FTeik]

Question is, why was Jerec playing archeologist when a war was fought?

And why did he go back, if the "return home" signal from the Jedi-temple was switched to "stay away as far as possible"?

[Cykeisme]

Ah, okay, thx.
I thought it was verbatim from some source.

[Drunk Monkey]

Question is, why was Jerec playing archeologist when a war was fought?

And why did he go back, if the "return home" signal from the Jedi-temple was switched to "stay away as far as possible"?

It would be logical he was with other Jedi and attempted to kill palpatine similar to what Mace tried but was converted by palpatine and went on to help in the Purge.