Making of Revenge of the Sith by J.W. RInzer

[Pint0 Xtreme]

Oh, you mean how he told Anikin how she died because he crushed her neck in anger? And Anakin going "how could it be, I made sure it was nonelethal! NAAAAAW"?

I have no idea what the fuck you're smoking but you're definitely hearing lines most people don't.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Pint, if you shot somebody in the gut and they died two days later, you're responcible for killing them. Same basic idea applies here, except that Padme's dwindling will to live also comes into factor.

[Pint0 Xtreme]

Oh, and Pinto...what evidence is there that Vader killed Padme? Eh? Aside from Palpatine's comment, which is clearly designed to cause Vader to sever all emotional ties to his previous life? Oh, that's right...none whatsoever.

Uh.... yeah, I think you forgot Darth Vader's reference to feeling her alive. Most of the evidence for Darth Vader killing her is simply anecdotal but it's still far more conclusive than your baseless theory that Palpatine's comment was meant to sever all emotional ties, not to mention how ridiculously pointless such a comment would be if Palpatine did not know the actual outcome of Padme's health.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

That hinges on too many dependencies, Pint. The Razor triumphs.

[Pint0 Xtreme]

Pint, if you shot somebody in the gut and they died two days later, you're responcible for killing them. Same basic idea applies here, except that Padme's dwindling will to live also comes into factor.

False analogy. Someone who dies from a gun wound clearly was killed by the act of being shot. Padme was fucking healthy (as stated by the medical droid), meaning the force choke did not significantly adversely affected her health and ability to give birth. Something else killed her and 'a broken heart' severe enough to immediately destroy all vital signs within such a drastic short period of time is completely ridiculous, especially when in light of the evidence that Vader killed her through his anger within the Force.

[Eleas]

Anakin: "Help me Master."

Obi Wan: "Don't ask me, Anakin...you're evil. You bring nothing but pain and suffering. I can't help you."

Anakin: "I hate you!"

OMFG, I'm sure glad that crap never made it into the script.

[Cykeisme]

I'd previously gone with the idea that Anakin and Padme were tied through the Force, and stress from his suffering (being burnt, then operated on while conscious) were what caused her death.

Considering the excerpt from the penultimate version of the script, it seems logical that the final version of the script has not changed it; nothing in the movie contradicts it. Writer's intent is probably that Padme died of a broken heart , even though she wasn't injured badly enough to cause her death.

Now I think I'll go with the "broken heart" thingy, gushily romantic though it may be. I guess the Force attack plus the stress of childbirth wasn't sufficient to kill, but she'd also lost her will to live.


Even if that's a case, Anakin did kill her. He not only Force choked her, he's also the cause of her loss of will to live. Either way, every contributing factor can be attributed to him. As always, Sidious didn't have to lie.

[Cykeisme]

As I'm sure everyone agrees, I'm glad the "help me master" lines were cut. It takes too much responsibility off Anakin for his own actions further down the line.

Still, if Anakin had begged for help, would Obi-Wan have helped him? Recall that Anakin had just slaughtered every Jedi in the temple, including the younglings.
I guess it would have made the undertones of Luke's quest more powerful, though, and tied in with Obi-Wan's refusal to even consider Vader as redeemable in the OT.

Perhaps Obi-Wan would have helped him.. but in the end it doesn't matter what Obi-Wan would have done; asking for help then would merely be self-serving.

[Eleas]

I was more concerned with the fact that it was just piss-poor writing. It lacked any smidgin of the emotion that we luckily saw in the movies, where Obi-Wan almost broke down at what had happened.

"Don't ask me [to help you], Anakin... you're evil!"
WTF? Obi-Wan could just as well have used the words "poo poo head" and "big meanie".

[Ender]

Yep, horrible shame if that scan of the TL comparison on page 167 turned up here.

[Nephtys]

Anakin: "Help me Master."

Obi Wan: "Don't ask me, Anakin...you're evil. You bring nothing but pain and suffering. I can't help you."

Anakin: "I hate you!"

OMFG, I'm sure glad that crap never made it into the script.

Those lines remind me SO much of the Parody ROTS Trailer. You know..

Obi-Wan: "I tell you, that boy is dang blasted evil!" *takes a swig of Vodka*
Yoda: "True, it seems. Failed, you have. Now screwed, we are!"

or like Ctl-Alt-Del...

Obi-Wan: "You were the chosen one!"
Anakin: "You never picked me for your kickball team!"
Obi-Wan: "Because you suck at Kickball! Is this what the whole 'turning evil' thing was about?!"

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Those lines remind me SO much of the Parody ROTS Trailer. You know..

Obi-Wan: "I tell you, that boy is dang blasted evil!" *takes a swig of Vodka*
Yoda: "True, it seems. Failed, you have. Now screwed, we are!"

Oh Jesus, I hated that piece of shit. Perhaps one of the unfunniest things ever, at least to me.

[Cykeisme]

I was more concerned with the fact that it was just piss-poor writing. It lacked any smidgin of the emotion that we luckily saw in the movies, where Obi-Wan almost broke down at what had happened.

Agreed.
In the screen version, it looked like Obi-Wan was at least considering pulling Anakin up off the bank of the river of lava, but Anakin was consumed by rage and hate... even in what might be his final moments, he wanted nothing more than to destroy Obi-Wan in revenge. As it turned out, it was a much more powerful scene, and more believable than a weak Anakin pathetically begging for help.

Yep, horrible shame if that scan of the TL comparison on page 167 turned up here.

A real tragedy, if it did. I'll bet it would put many of us in tears.

[Clone Sergeant]

Yep, horrible shame if that scan of the TL comparison on page 167 turned up here.

Oops! Look what I happened to stumble across.

+http://img39.echo.cx/my.php?image=osbgunsart4ob.jpg

Butterfingers! I added a link too! I'd better go sulk in a corner.

[Eleas]

Yep, horrible shame if that scan of the TL comparison on page 167 turned up here.

Oops! Look what I happened to stumble across.

+http://img39.echo.cx/my.php?image=osbgunsart4ob.jpg

Butterfingers! I added a link too! I'd better go sulk in a corner.

I hereby harshly condemn this act of wanton linking. I would certainly not stoop so low as to actively deify Clone Sergeant for what he has inadvertantly done.

[Stravo]

Lucas discusses his dialogue, readly admitting he's bad at it but shrugs it off in the following quote:

The last thing that will be dealt with is the dialogue, because that you can change on the set or even afterwards- you know, I'm not known for my dialogue. (laughs) I think of it as a sound effect, a rythm, a vocal chorus in the overall soundtrack. Mostly everything is visual."

Wow. Dialogue as a sound effect. No wonder we've been assaulted with some attrocious stuff in the past. And of course some truly memorable ones as well.

[Noble Ire]

Lucas discusses his dialogue, readly admitting he's bad at it but shrugs it off in the following quote:

The last thing that will be dealt with is the dialogue, because that you can change on the set or even afterwards- you know, I'm not known for my dialogue. (laughs) I think of it as a sound effect, a rythm, a vocal chorus in the overall soundtrack. Mostly everything is visual."

Wow. Dialogue as a sound effect. No wonder we've been assaulted with some attrocious stuff in the past. And of course some truly memorable ones as well.

Well, at least he admits it, unlike some.......


Berman and Braga

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Hell, Lucas has even admitted that he's not very good at writing scripts, like since the early 70s up to as late as 2004.